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The Secret Locus of the Self
« on: November 14, 2008, 03:48:19 PM »
We all know about 'Talks' of Munagala Venkatramaiah, which covers
a period of about 4 years when devotees' conversations with Bhagavan
Ramana.  There is one more 'Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi' which
is the conversations a  devotee and Bhagavan Ramana.
These talks are between Daivarata and Bhagavan Ramana, where
which a few have been incorporated in Kavaya Kanta Ganapati Sastri's
Sri Ramana Gita.  These have taken place, many years before 'Talks'
and a few months before the compilation of Sri Ramana Gita.

I thought that I could give a couple of these conversations from
Kapali Sasri's Sat Darsana Bhashya, to which these are prefixed,
in a book of Sri Ramansramam.

D:  Then whom do you address when you say 'Know thyself'?

B: To whatever you are; to you is given this suggestion, 'know thyself'.
The ego-self, when it feels the necessity to know its own origin or
impelled to rise above itself, takes the suggestion and goes deeper
and there discovers the true Source and Reality if itself.  So the ego-
self beginning to know itself ends in perceiving its Self.

D:  Now you were telling me that the Heart is the centre of the Self......

B: Yes, it is the one supreme centre of the Self.  You need have no
doubt about it. The Real self is there in the Heart, behind the Jiva
or the ego-self.

D: Now be pleased to tell me where it is in the body.

B: You cannot know it with your mind.  You cannot realize it by
imagination, when I tell you here is the centre (Pointing to the
right side of the chest).  The only direct way to realize it is to cease
to fancy and try to be yourself.  Then your realize automatically feel,
that the centre is there.
      This is the centre, the Heart, spoken of in the scriptures as
Hrith-Guha, (the cavity of the Heart), ARUL ULLAM.

D: In no book have I found it seated that it is there.

B: Long after I have come here, I chanced upon a verse in the
Malayalam version of Ashtangahridayam, the standard work on
Ayurveda, wherein the Ojas Sthana is mentioned as located in the
right side of the chest, called the seat of consciousness, (Samvit).
But I know of no other work, which refers to it as being located there.

D: Can I be sure that the ancients meant this centre by the term,

B:  Yes, that is so.  But you should to HAVE rather to locate the
experience.  A man need not go to find out where his eyes are
situated when he wants to see.  The Heart is there ever open to you,
if you care to enter it, ever supporting all your movements, even
when you are unaware.  It is perhaps more proer to say that the
Self is the Heart itself then to say that it is in the Heart.  Really,
the Self is the Centre itself.  It is everywhere, aware of itself as
"Heart", the Self awareness.  Hence I said: "Heart is Thy name."
Hrudayam the naam.

D: Has anyone else addressed the Lord thus, by naming Him the

B: Long after I said this, one day I came across a Hymn in Appar's
(Tiru Navukkarasar) Tevaram, where he mentions the Lord by name,
ULLAM, which is the same as the Heart.

B: The Tantra Sastra calls the Heart as Suryamandala or Solar Orb,
and the Sahasrara, Chandramandala or Lunar Orb.  These symbols
present the relative importance of the two, the Atma Sthana and
the Shakti Sthana.

(Source: Sat Darsana Bhashya and Talks with Maharshi - Kapali
Sastri.  Sri Ramanasramam, Tiruvannamalai.  2006 edition.)

Arunachala Siva.