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The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« on: November 12, 2008, 09:45:14 AM »
Saint Manikkavacahagar is one among the Great Four of the Saiva
Siddhanta.  But he is not one of the 63 saints of Siva doctrine. 
People who have researched the history of Tamil devotional literature,
could not find out the reasons for this.

We have seen stone sculptures and bronze images of these 63 saints
in various Siva temples.  But Manikkavachagar is not one among them.
He finds a place near the idol of Nataraja, on Siva's right side!
Sivakama Sundari, Siva's consort, occupies her position on the left
of Nataraja idol.  Why such a high pedestal for Manikkavachagar?

I was contemplating this for a long time and I checked up many
books and consulted a few scholars.  The reason given by one is
wonderful. 

A householder always keeps his servants on the outer portals. 
He keeps his relatives and friends in separate rooms inside the house.
He keeps even his son in a room next to him.  But he keeps his wife
or a lady-love in his bedroom!  Siva keeps various devotees and
servitors like that.  Jnana Sambandha was his son, occupying one
of the interior rooms next to Siva. The other devotees like Tiru
Navukkarasar and Kannappa occupy different rooms.  His friend
Sundaramoothy is in another room.  But Siva keeps Manikkavachagar,
like Sivakama Valli, in his bedroom!  Manikkavachagar was his lady
love, who sang heart melting Tiruvachakam and Tiru Chitrambala Kovai,
in Nayaki-Nayaka bhava.  So his place is unique, in Siva's house!

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2008, 10:35:41 AM »
Dear Subramanian,
                        Bhagawan is that Siva.
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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 10:55:22 AM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes. Even if Bhagavan Ramana could give me a place in front of His shrine, as a cactus bush, I shall be happy.  Has not Siva,
Arunachalesvara, given liberation to a cactus bush, that was on
His way in the Hills, which He trampled my mistake?  ( as told
in Arunachala Mahatmyam.)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 11:05:21 AM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         We will not allow you to be a cactus bush because we will miss your beautiful posts.But i will pray Bhagawan for your realisation
on your behalf.
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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 07:04:11 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji

Long time  back the same question  I asked why I was not there during Bhagavan's time and you gave me answer.
Now you are also wishing for liberation. I want to say why you are here. Bhagavan has given you for posting and giving the meaning of his Life Stories which were written by different devotees who lived with Him. So you have got a big
responsibility to tell all the deep meening of His words. UNGAL KADAN PANNI SEIDU KIDAPPADHE. You are like a Appar swamigal who was doing Ulavara pani in Shiva Alaya.
I had a lot of collections of books. As no body is interested in these books I donated to the friends who are interested.
I kept few books like suri Nagamma. Now it is not possible to buy full collection of Muruganar and other's books. Of course here in us. I can read as much I can from the net but if I go to chennai, it is not possible. So I was enjoying all your posts of Ramana's teacings. Therefore I say, it is Bhagavan's grace, we are geting lots of informations through YOU. You are here to serve. More than what else to be needed. Once again i thank you for writing the good stuff.

Ramanaduli


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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 07:44:46 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji

The four saints, Appar, Sudarar, Jnana Sambandar and Manickkavachakar are called Samaya Kuravar. I think they are not
in the row of 63 Nayanmars. These four people spread the saivam, where others were bhakats and attained liberation.
As you say, among the four Lord kept Manikkavachagar beside only. Because Manikkavachagar's verses are all Maniks. He sang like Andal who married Ranganatha. In the same way Lord Siva also kept with Him. Who can describe His verses better than
Ramalinga adigal. Manika Vachaka, nin vachagaththai..nan... I hope I can see this poem in your future post.
After knowing Thruvachakam, Muruganar was waiting to see Lord Siva. It is Muruganar's good karma, he saw his Lord Shiva in Bhagavan. Seeing Muruganar's bhakti, Bhagavan blessed him and He also sang like Manikkavachagar


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Re: The Place for Saint Manikkavachagar.
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 09:33:09 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Appar (Tiru Navukkarasar), Sundaramoorthy, Jnana Sambandhar,
these three are amongst 63 devotees of Siva.  These are called
Nayanmars.  They might have lived around 6th and 7th century
AD, before Sri Sankara.  Manikkavachagar is not one of these 63
saints.  They are several theories on this exclusion.  Some say, that
he preached Jnana marga and so he was not included.  Some others
say that he practised Advaita and not Saiva Siddhanta and so he was
not included.  No theories have beeen finally proved.  His date is also
under question.  Some say that he lived before the three, sometime in
4th century AD.  Some say that he lived after these, around 8th
century AD.  His exclusion from the list and his date have no final
conclusions.  One Swami Vedachalam, Marai Malai Adigal, have
written a detailed book on Manikkavachagar's period, without
concluding anything!  One more interesting this is that Manikkavachagar
does not say anything about the others in his poems and vice versa.

Saint Poet Muruganar considered himself as Manikkavachagar, and
treated Bhagavan Ramana as Siva.  His Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai,
is almost toally on the lines of Tiruvachakam.

Arunachala Siva.