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smuchil

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Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« on: February 16, 2007, 04:42:41 PM »
I consider Ramana Maharishi as a natural Vipassi. In Vipassana one has to meditate and meditate continously then one gets enlightenment. But in his case may be over lifetimes after lifetimes in his past lives he might have spiritually so evovled that in his this life he had to just sit for half an hour and he just attained it . I am a great admirer of his soul , how kind and humane  his soul was .

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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2007, 03:06:41 PM »
smuchil
Could be he was already enlightened and his love for all beings brought him here .
Like the way he allowed himself to physically travel help Gnapati Sastri   [page 96 Ramana Maharishi  and the path of self knowledge by Arthur Osbourne]
He didnt say to himself I will use occult powers to travel to help Sastrri ,he just let himself be transported there because there was a need.
This I believe is the clue to his incarnation.
 He was ALREADY ENLIGHTENED,
 He simply allowed the incarnation as Venkataraman .He allowed the ego to form and the young man to reach a certian age ,whilst the brain and mind were programmed .
When this was done that Great Soul took over and the incarnation as Ramana began.
If we look at his whole life it followed this pattern,
He never sought to be a Guru yet being one just happened without him making a conscoius effort to be one .
He never sought fame ,and yet fame just happened.
So I reckon thats how he came into the world!!
He was drawn here because there was/is a need for him . Not of his own volition ,but out of his all abding love!!
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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 11:12:18 PM »
I wonder about reincarnation.  If everything is one consciousness, what is it that reincarnates? The memory does not move onto the next life, and the individual as a separate entity seems to be a mental construct. To me, reincarnation does not seem to be a useful idea. Anyone else have an opinion, for or against? 

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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2007, 04:51:24 AM »
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What makes you say that the memory doesnt pass to the next life?
They are there hidden beyond the ego.
Its difficult to remmember what one did last month or 10 years ago!! This doesnt mean that the memoreis arent there ,it just means that they are not readily accessible.
Its seems that the identification "I am the body" prevents them being found.
It seems that in each lifetime we believe that we are this particular person ,this body ,these thoughts.
Ramana said that becoming enlightened was "Like waking from a dream of wandering all over the world"
As to the all one consciousness thing ,well maybe the raindrop still stays itself even when it disolves into the ocean.

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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2007, 09:27:07 PM »
memories are a function of the brain , when it dies those memories die also . what we think is the self is a thought , a story the brain tells , and it also will die when the brain dies so there is really no self to reincarnate . reincarnation is not personal but only seems to be when viewed from a personal perspective .
as for enlightenment ... ramana was already enlightened , yes , just as we all are . to see this , just as ramana did ,  we have only to stop believing that we are not . 
simply stop telling the story of the self and see who you are without it

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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2007, 04:52:49 AM »
memories are a function of the brain , when it dies those memories die also . what we think is the self is a thought , a story the brain tells , and it also will die when the brain dies so there is really no self to reincarnate . reincarnation is not personal but only seems to be when viewed from a personal perspective .
as for enlightenment ... ramana was already enlightened , yes , just as we all are . to see this , just as ramana did ,  we have only to stop believing that we are not . 
If memories were merely a function of the brain ,then how could anyone recall past lives?
Reincarnation is the most personal thing that happens to us. Each time we identify with the new body and suffer all its pains, know its loves .die its deaths, fight its wars. Buddha said Verily you have shed more blood than are in the oceans.
Reincarnation is the single biggest incentive to try hard at meditation. Cos if you dont make it this time then yooos is coming back for another dose .Could be in a war zone ,or with a horrible disease, or any of the awful things that happen to us when we fall into Samasara
Maybe the brain is the organ of the retrival of memory but it is plainly not the storehouse.
Ramana said becoming enlightened was like a dream of wandering all over the world.
The dream being all the previous lives ,which he knew were only like dreams.
He also said ,As everything that happens happens only to the Ego ,then nothing ever happens.
Look at the page 193 .Chapter 18. Reincarnation. Of Be As You Are THE TEACHINGS OF SRI RAMANA MAHARISHI ,by David Godman.
Here you will find Ramanas teaching on reincarnation.
Also you might investigate the Yogic idea of Akashic Cliches ,which explain transpersonal memories.
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M H


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Re: Ramana Maharishi is a natural Vipassana person
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 01:26:12 PM »
About remembering the events of previous births:

Bhagavan says when the body dies, the mind takes away the
breath with it.   The mind carries "vasanas" within.  It may
be, perhaps, in an infinitesimally small percentage of cases,
the mind can carry the "memories" of the birth too.  This
explains someone remembering the people and events of
the previous birth.  But remember, every one of such persons
tell only about the 'immediately previous birth' and not about
several births before.  Why?

To brand Bhagavan within some cliches like "Vipassana Person",
"Ajata Vadhi" (refer Maandukya Upanishad) etc., is not quite
acceptable.  To say, He is an incarnation or Avatar etc., is also like
that.  But Kavyakantha Muni cannot be wrong.  He called Him
an Avatara of Skanda and Jnana Sambandha.  Sri Chandrasekara
Saraswathi of Kanchi called Bhagavan as Avatara of Kumarila Bhatta.

Bhagavan Himself has said that He lives in twenty lokas simultaneously.