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Subramanian.R

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I want to become......
« on: October 31, 2008, 12:52:20 PM »
Most of us in this world sometimes think,

" I am poor.  I should be born a rich person in my next life!"

"  I am sick.  I want to be born a healthy fellow in my next life!"

"  I have done a lot of good deeds in this life.  I have to go heavan
     and enjoy the company of Ramba, Urvasi and Menaka!"

Why only very few people think:  "I want to be liberated.  or, I
want to attain the Self.  or, I want to be self-realized!"

This is perhaps, most of consider 'liberation' as something "not-
tangible"   No scriptures describe the state of self realization,
excepting to say, that it is Existence, Knowledge and Bliss, no
tangible things like heavans and riches and health.

Or perhaps, what WE ARE ALWAYS cannot be described, only what we
are not can only be described.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: I want to become......
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2008, 10:03:28 PM »
Dear Subramanian,
      There is some description of the Brahma-bhutam state which is near the moksha state:

In which he (the Yogin) experiences the ENDLESS BLISS which is beyond the
ken of the senses but is intuited by the purified intellect; wherein
established, one does not waver from the Truth. (Gita 6.21)

Know that the severance of connection with pain as what is designated as
Yoga. It has to be practised tirelessly with determination (Gita 6.23)

SUPREME BLISS wells up in a Yogi, who is tranquil in mind, whose passions
are subdued, who is free from impurities and who is in the Brahma-bhutam
state. (Gita 6.27)

Gangajal

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Re: I want to become......
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 09:27:44 AM »
Dear Gangajal,

Thanks for elucidation on Brahma-bhutam state.  Saiva Siiddanta,
Sakta tantra and Vaishnavism also state one state called KAIVALYAM,
which is said to be very close to Moksham.  Advaitins use KAIVALYAM
and MOKSHAM, interchangeably without any difference. Sri Lalita
Sahasranamam says in one name of Lalita as "Kaivalya Pada dayini."
Kaivalyam, according to Vaishnavism is the state where Lakshmi,
Narayana's consort is supposed to stay.

Arunachala Siva.

ramanaduli

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 06:26:32 AM »
What is the difference in between   self knowledge, liberation, Moksha and kaivalyam.
I think Bhagavan's vichara marga will take beyond the above said. They say like if you go to heaven after spending some time you have to come to prithivi to take birth.



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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 01:46:19 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Liberation, Moksha, Maha Nirvanam  are all one and the same,
that is Self realization.  Kaivalyam, as I had written earlier, is
said to be a state very near to Brahman.  This implies duality.
This is called Salokam, Sameepam, Sarupyam, that is being in
the same place with Godhead, being very near to Godhead and
having the same form of Godhead respectively.  All implies duality
and these are only concepts.

Arunachala Siva.