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Getting angry with God
« on: October 29, 2008, 10:01:46 AM »
In case of our difficulties, during our worldly activities, prayers,
meditation, and self enquiry, can a seeker get angry with God?
Poets have sung Ninda Stuti, criticizing or scolding God!  But one
Azhwar has given a beautiful example.

He says, when our physician cuts the wound, with a sharp knife,
takes out the bad blood, and then again, burns the base of the
wound, with a hot knife, will we pay angry with the physician?
No.  Despite the difficulties and pains, we will be loving the
physician for the surgery and cure.  The Azhwar says:  Like
that, I shall have unremitting love towards you, Narayana, even
if you give me difficulties in life!

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 02:10:56 PM »
Meister Eckhardt the great christian mystic said someting like:

everything that god gives us, or does not give us, is always the best for us, so you should not get angry with him, because it is his nature to always do his best for us, and this is how it shuold be seen, as the greatest gift he bestowed upon us...everything else is not right!

he also used to explain this with the help of the lords prayer: ..

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done, <-------this is the crucial verse
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.

he said that most people pray this prayer daily but if his will is done, they get angry....and it is always his will that is done....and his will is of course the best thing for the soul...


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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »
Dear Matthias,

I also remember one small verse from a Dale Carnagie's book,
perhpas this is also from the Bible.

I was sulking that I had no shoes,
Till I saw a man who had no legs!

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 03:07:00 PM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         I feel that it is better to complain against God honestly till the complainer i.e ego disappears.This is called gibberish meditation
in which all junk in the mind is thrown out.I have tried in the presence of Bhagawan and it is highly effective and simple method.Bhagawan
accepts such junk as an offering to him.He himself advocated ninda stuti towards Arunachala Siva in Akshara Mana Malai.
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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 04:07:17 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

Yes.  I agree.  It is helpful many a times.  Bhagavan says Akshara
Mana Malai, "If you do not take me, O Arunachala, the five thieves
that is my five senses, will rob me!

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 06:11:08 PM »
getting angry with god can happen if it likes to happen, but I was not angry with god for along time, the only thing that can arise in my mind concerning this question could be that god seems to be far away instead of beeing right here inside and outside of me, this hurts but at the same time this is part of the path...so god is to be seen and loved always, just as he is always seeing and loving....

nothing else to do with god in this life, just see him and love him, and infact from time to time, I feel that he is it who loves me and sees me, and that there is nobody here that does the seeing and loving....

then it is quiet and peacefull, then life=light, beeing=happiness and worries are gone, together with the thoughts and feelings....






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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 07:02:52 AM »
All Gods have Abaya Mudra. Most Gods left hand will show their feet and right hand will show like blessing.
Means you come to me,surrender to me.I will protect you, give everything. Some exceptional cases like Shiva and Maruthi are shown like meditating. Generally first we are told by our parents, to pray to God, to get good marks in our childhood.
Then it becomes a habit. After, we pray for our children. At the ripen stage we think what is God and Self. etc.etc.
When we understand the world and maya we understand who will ask from whom. and what. But it will take long time to reach this stage. Until that time we expect many things from God always.
Knowingly and watching the thoughts still  expectations are there. It is a age old habit. After all He is our father. so without asking father to whom we will ask!.

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2008, 01:54:13 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Siva in the form of Nataraja, is showing both Abhaya Mudra,
the Hand that Protects and Vara Mudra, the Hand that Gives.
Siva, in the form Dakshinamoorthy, is showing only the Chin
Mudra, the Hand that shows the liberation.  All gods and goddesses,
invariably show these mudras.  Sri Lalita Tripura Sundari, does not
show any of these mudras.  She has got in four hands, the Ankusam,
the punishing weapon, the Pasam, the imprisoning weapon, the
sugar cane and the arrow made of flowers.  She is Kamesvari,
one who attracted Siva, Kamesvara.  But Sankara says in
Sri Soundarya Lahari, "What if she does not show her hands,
her legs would suffice to give protectioin and attraction!"  I don't
think, any other poet other than Sankara could write like this!

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 04:08:27 PM »
Nice discussion.

Udai garu,

Depending on grace of god is very much required and infact ramana himself confirmed that it is The Act Of The Current(Power) Which Makes Aspirant get siddhi.

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=4470.0

Infact as known ramana maharshi himself prayed for his mother's recovery.

Dear Friends,

Suppose you have a God who cannot do any miracle for you... who cannot make anything happen for u ... he cannot make your mind peaceful ... how important is such a god to you?

Udai garu, when we say god then we mean who/she having infinite compassion and showers grace on his devotees.

So in that way there will never be god who will omit few and shower his/her grace for only few.

What ever good or bad happens to us we should accept as the blessing of god.


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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 07:38:06 PM »
Those who have faith they will find God during their suffering. But when people suffer totally without any help
it is normal to loose faith on God. They get angry with God. That time God does some miracle for them or somewhere, so people regain their faith once again. It is all His Leela. Recently, in south, one snake plugged Bilva leave and went to Shiva linga did puja for 3 times. The man who saw first he took video. Now people who were not going to this temple they also
started going to this shiva temple. Surprisingly all these happen only in south. Like this there was a news that
flying siddhar. A man who went for girivalam in T.Malai saw a unusual man with long Zada mudi, when this man
wanted to take a photo by his cell phone, the sadhu flew into the sky, immedietly. He took this photo and showed in all tamil news channel. It is available in you tube also. He is called PARAKKUM SIDDHAR. In every corner of the street there is a temple in Chennai. Mostly they are Ganesha temple in various names. It shows there are lots of believers now. But this believers should follow Bhagavan Ramana who talks about the "Self". That is most important.


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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 10:58:51 AM »

Dear Ramanaduli,

Getting angry with God has also been displayed by Jnanis. But
these Jnanis get angry with God, not for their sufferings, but
for the sufferings of others.

Once there was king invaded Tiruvannamalai, [Tiruvannamalai
was neither ruled by Chozha kings nor by Pandya kings, it was
ruled by some chieftains all the time]. The foreign plundered
all the wealth and even imprisoned beautiful girls and kept them
in his barracks.  People came to the chieftain.  The chieftain was
helpless and he came to Guhai Namasivaya.  Guhai Namasivaya
came to the Arunachleswara Temple.  He asked Siva:

If you eyes including the eye on you forehead
Is sleeping for ever?
Has your trident been lost?
If you do not show grace on the people here,
They will all be ruined without your help!

That night, one Sadhu [Siva in guise] came into the barracks of the king [outside the town] and pushed his trident into the king.  The king cried in pain.  The wound became large and was bleeding.  Guhai
Namasivaya then went and told him:  "Do not do mischief with people
of Tiruvannamalai.  They are all subjects of Arunachaleswara.
Be careful."  The King prostrated before Guhai Namasivaya and left
the town with his army.  The plundered wealth was handed over back and the girls returned without any harm.

Arunachala Siva.   

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2010, 02:30:23 PM »

Dear Ramanaduli and others,

Guhai Namasivaya in his Arunagiri Maalai also says as to why
God should punish us [the devotees] sometimes or gives sufferings
and troubles. He says in his Verse 21 of Arunagiri Maalai:

Nal-arunai naathar - the good Master Arunachaleswara,

Namai-oruttal - punishing us

nenajame  - O mind!

Kollukaiko - is it for killing us?  [See also Bhagavan's Padigam - 3]

Polla kunam pokka - no; it is for removing our impure ego;

Kallin-mazhukkuvan - [the washerman] who slams the cloth
                               on the stone slab;

kooraikku maarupatto - is it for tearing off the cloth?

 
Vannan - washerman

Azhukko vaangaike avan - only to remove the dirt in the cloth, he
                                      does;



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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 10:48:48 AM »

There is one more Venba verse of Guhai Namasivaya.  It comes
under Tiruvarunai Tani Venba.  Almost a similar incident.  Some
robbers came to plunder the wealth in the homes of Tiruvannamalai
and the residents cried.  The robbers had gone with their loot.
They all came to Guhai Namasivaya.  Guhai Namasivaya went
to Arunachaleswara Temple and prayed to Ganapati there in
the first portal of Eastern Towers.  He asked Siva:

You have got trident on your hand and
Also the fire in your other hand apart from the hand-drum,
You have got a fiery eye, on your forehead, which burnt Manmatha,
There is the dangerous halahala poison ready in your throat!
Why is then, this delay, to punish the culprits?

Siva then sent Ganesa, who went to the robbers on the outskirts,
as a mad ferocious elephant, and chased him till he fell down
and prayed to Ganesa.  He also agreed to return all the plundered
wealth and also pay a monthly privy purse to Ganesa for the
wrongdoing.  Hence this Ganesa is called Thirai Konda Vinayakar.
Thirai means privy purse; konda - means who got.

This Ganesa image is very small and one should climb three
steps and see him through the window.  The interior is quite
dark without lamps burning and you should strain your eyes
to see him clearly.

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 05:51:03 PM »
There is a humorous story about St. Therese of Avila she was... not exactly "angry" with God, but in this case she prayed very frankly, and with great humor as she viewed God as the closest friend... she said:
"“Lord, if this is the way you treat your friends, it’s no wonder you have so few!”  ;-)

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Re: Getting angry with God
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2010, 09:01:30 AM »



Dear Adam,

In the same vein, one Upanishad story says:  "O God, you are a cheat.  You have all the five senses outward looking.  But you
are staying inside." 



Arunachala Siva.