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Remembering " I am the Self."
« on: October 22, 2008, 05:29:09 PM »
Someone asked Annamalai Swami:

Is the ability to remember "I am the Self" part of one's own destiny?

Annamalai Swami replied:

If you are the Self, no destiny will affect you.  If you tear off your
shirt, does that mean that you are also torn?  No.  Something has
happened to something and that is not you.   Similarly, the body
and the mind will experience pleasure, happiness, misery and so on,
all according to the karma that has been brought into hhis life.
But the Self has not attachment, no detachment, no happiness or
unhappiness, and no karma.  The body is not the Self, the mind is
not the Self.  The real "I" is the Self and nothing ever happens to the
Self.  Thoughts will come as long as the potential for them is inside you.
Good thoughts, bad thoughts, they will all keep coming.  There is
nothing you can do about them.  But at the same time, this flow of thoughts need not be a problem. Be the Self, be t he peace that is
your real nature, and it will not matter that what comes up. Walk,
eat, drink, sleep, meditate, but never think that you are the one who
is doing these things.  The thought that you are doing something is
is the thought that is poisoning your life. .......... You don't have to do
anything to experience the nectar of the Self. All that you need to do
is to drop the idea that you are doing anything at all.

(Source:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks - Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2008, 05:49:15 PM »
 If it so....Who is writing and who is reading.......
Everything is happening on itself?



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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2008, 06:06:09 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Reading, writing et al, just happen, in the Self.  If you are doing
anything 'without doership' and believe that the Self is just
doing everything, it is sufficient.  Annamalai Swami says that
only desiring for the Self is 'our doing'.  Even here, since you
are ever the Self, even that 'doing' just happens.

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2008, 07:08:03 PM »
Dear sirs,


That is why Lord Krishna  is nithya brahmachari and Durvasa muni is nithya upavasi  though he had lots food
as because there is no doership.


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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »
Once some women wanted to cross Yamuna river and they met
Krishna.  He asked for all the dishes that they were carrying for
Durvasa on the other bank.  Krishna took them all and the
women were hesitating to cross the river, since the river was
full.  Krishna said:  I am hungry, let the river give way for you all."
The river parted and every one crossed.  On the other side of the
river, Durvasa was seen.  The women apologized that all the eats
had been consumed by Krishna.  Durvasa said, "I do not want
anything. My stomach is full."

Now, who ate the dishes and who did not eat the dishes?

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 07:30:24 PM »
I think Durvasa is a brahma jnani, As his soul is merged with Lord Krishna, there is no dual. There is onely one self which exists.
It does not matter whoever eats. If one eats it is enoough. Other  person does not need to eat.   

I undersood in this way.  Am I right?


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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 07:42:17 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

Yes. You are right.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 12:27:14 PM »
Dear srkudai,

Annamalai Swami is a double edged sword!

1.  He says pleasures and pains are our destiny!  No doubt.

2.  But thoughts have to be cleansed!  See, he had to have
      Bhagavan's intervention, when sex thoughts haunted him once.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 12:40:12 PM »
Someone asked Annamalai Swami:

Is the ability to remember "I am the Self" part of one's own destiny?

Annamalai Swami replied:

If you are the Self, no destiny will affect you.  If you tear off your
shirt, does that mean that you are also torn?  No.  Something has
happened to something and that is not you.   Similarly, the body
and the mind will experience pleasure, happiness, misery and so on,
all according to the karma that has been brought into hhis life.
But the Self has not attachment, no detachment, no happiness or
unhappiness, and no karma.  The body is not the Self, the mind is
not the Self.  The real "I" is the Self and nothing ever happens to the
Self.  Thoughts will come as long as the potential for them is inside you.
Good thoughts, bad thoughts, they will all keep coming.  There is
nothing you can do about them.  But at the same time, this flow of thoughts need not be a problem. Be the Self, be t he peace that is
your real nature, and it will not matter that what comes up. Walk,
eat, drink, sleep, meditate, but never think that you are the one who
is doing these things.  The thought that you are doing something is
is the thought that is poisoning your life. .......... You don't have to do
anything to experience the nectar of the Self. All that you need to do
is to drop the idea that you are doing anything at all.

(Source:  Annamalai Swami - Final Talks - Ed. David Godman.)

Arunachala Siva.

What a wonderful, true teaching
and wonderful thread...
It is true bliss to see there is no "doer"...
All activities of mind and body seem to simply happen,
"nothing ever happens to the Self"...

I very much enjoy the atmoshere of satsang here.

Namaste...

Arunachala Shiva!



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Re: Remembering " I am the Self."
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 12:52:17 PM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         Sex,hunger,sleep,fear are are natural instincts to all Jivas,we will be free from them only through divine interference
in the form of Gure,we cannot get rid of them by our own effort.Even a saint of the calibre of Viswamitra was unable to free himself
from sexual desire,even a great sage like Narada forgot the work of fetching a glass of water entrusted by Lord Krishna just by seeing
a woman,had some children,finally caught in the floods with his family and only after interference of Krishna he could come out of all that illusion.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2008, 01:08:37 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju,

I remember a T. S. Eliot poem.  Most of T. S. Eliot's poems give
a undercurrent of Advaita.   He says:

What are the roots that clutch?
What branches grow out of this stony rubbish?
Son of Man, for you know only a heap of broken images,
Where Sun beats, dead trees give no shelter, crickets no relief!


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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2008, 06:07:06 PM »
Process of cleaning the mind out is contracting impressions again in different forms.It never leads to freedom because it is in the field of the known,
where as freedom is unknowable.



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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2008, 07:38:49 PM »
Dear Srkudai,
                 The aim of my posting is to tell that mind cannot by itself cleanse it's impurities and it is the awareness of self only that is capable of purifying
the mind of it's impurities.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2008, 12:34:43 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju and srkudai,

The concept of purifying or cleaning the mind is again getting into
our discussions.  SRKUDAI, you wanted whether Annamalai Swami
has been told about this by Bhagavan Ramana.  Yesterday was a
total low voltage day, and I could not open the internet.   This gave
me chance to start the new 8 volume book and also read Annamalai
Swami connected books. 

Bhagavan Ramana has told this on one occasion:-

"Then, Bhagavan Ramana looked at a child and said: If one could
keep the mind clean (or pure), then only one can get the Anandam
of Brahman."

I leave members to make their own conclusions.

(Credits:  Sri Ramana Ninaivugal - Tamil, Sri Annamalai Swami.)

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Remembering " I am the Self."
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2008, 04:50:39 PM »
Dear sirs,


It is the major problems with me, how to purify the mind?  It seems like the saying in tamil, KALYANAM ANAL PAITHIYAM THELIUM, means the madness would go if the person gets married. but who will marry the mad person.
It is already late to realise that all the problems due to the mind. Prarabdha karma also lots and lots.
To have the full awarness mind should be pure. Only practice i.e severe practice is needed



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