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Subramanian.R

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Re: Anyone have info about Michael Langford?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2008, 06:30:09 PM »
Deat caat, I read your original letter on Michael Langford and views
of others.  I went through the link and read the entire "quick-fixes".
But I did not read certain chapters which he says that one should
read 3 times etc., I read all of them only once.  I am not in judgement
whether he is realized or not.  But his writings are re-phrasing and
para-phrasing of Bhagavan's thoughts and books by Him and on Him.
Bhagavan is like Brahma Sutram.  There can be any number of
explanations/elaborations right from Sankara's to modern days.  I
am still in favour of reading Ramansramam's books of Bhagavan,
than any other thing, which can only be redrafts.   

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 09:26:12 PM »
I have re-read his web site (albigen.com) and I haven't read anything that is contrary to the teachings of Sri Ramana, Sri Sadhu Om, Sri Nisargadatta. In fact, I am rather impressed with all the informations available, and all with their references.

I have gone through many references  from "Guru Vachaka Kovai" and he does strike a point about "awareness watching awareness". The most important thing is that he he makes a clear link with the teaching of those great Sages and the meaning, interpretation exposed on his site. It is very helpfull for english speaking Sadhakas, who do not speak Tamil for example.

I have the same gratitude for Sri Sadhu Om who wrote three books on "The Path of Sri Ramana", which so clearly explains Sri Ramana's teaching in a comprehensive way, easily understood.

All the info is also freely available on his web sites.

I have yet to be convinced that he is wrong, or that he wrongly interpret and expose the teachings of these Sages. As for the fact that he wrote that after two years the (his) ego was destroyed, I honestly do not react negatively to this. Although all the Sages never clearly stated that they were a Jnani.

No, I have absolutely no link with him in any way. Just expressing my humble opinion.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 02:30:33 PM »
Dear nonduel,  I have not said that Michael Langford has said
anything contrary to what Bhagavan said.  I merely said that
he is rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's teachings, as
many others have done.  In this context,  David Godman,
Sri Sadhu Om have also elaborated on Bhagavan, but with
new insights.  I have already written in some other post,
that, Who am I? is alone adequate for any seeker.  David
also has said that for a true 'sadhak', Who am I? will alone
do and if he wants only elaboration, he has to read others.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 12:47:16 AM »
Dear nonduel,  I have not said that Michael Langford has said
anything contrary to what Bhagavan said.  I merely said that
he is rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's teachings, as
many others have done.  In this context,  David Godman,
Sri Sadhu Om have also elaborated on Bhagavan, but with
new insights.  I have already written in some other post,
that, Who am I? is alone adequate for any seeker.  David
also has said that for a true 'sadhak', Who am I? will alone
do and if he wants only elaboration, he has to read others.


My dear Subramanian,

I am happy to see you are back.  That post was in no way addressed to you or any others. I just went and read a lot of what is said on his web site and said what I thought. I sure wasn't trying to convince or contradict anyone. Just my humble opinion which, of course, anyone has the right to disapprouve.

Glad to read your posts again.

Namaste
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 10:25:29 AM »
Dear nonduel,  I am happy to read your posts.  The forced
silence, I had, was to read some books like GVK and Padamalai.
I did not say that Michael contradicted Bhagavan.  I only
said that he was rephrasing and paraphrasing Bhagavan's
teachings, which have been done many others.  Who can
add or deduct anything from what Bhagavan Ramana had
said.  Incidentally, are you still eager to have a living Guru?
The living Gurus are going to Kashmir to solve problems!
But Bhagavan did not move out of Tiruvannamalai, because
He was solving problems with His Heart.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 12:22:48 PM »
Dear srkudai,  Regonition of Awareness in other great
scholars is itself a step towards recognition of the Awareness,
the Self within. The only caution is " Beware of dupes".

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 12:24:28 PM »
Dear srkudai,  You are right.  Sri Sadhu Om says in his Path of
Sri Ramana, that many were at the feet of Bhagavan and each
one had a different meaning in His words. For example, Bhagavan
glorified Yoga marga to Gambhiram Seshayyar, but it does not
mean that this is His teachings.  He advised Babu Rajendra Prasad,
(who became later the President of India), to continue his karma
marga, and again, it is not that He advocted karma marga.  Simlarly,
He said to Krishna Premi to pursue bhakti.  All these four paths
are described in Upadesa Saram.  The point is that when one is
reading a person like Sri Suddhanada, we must keep in mind that
Bhagavan recommended all those things that are mentioned in the
book, -  to him, -  and not to everyone, since He was only for self-enquriy.   

Arunachala Siva.
 

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 05:27:37 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

You have written on a very important aspect of Sri Ramana's teaching.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2008, 05:57:33 PM »
Dear non duel, Thank you.  Bhagavan stressed different paths for
the seekers, depending upon his earlier pursuits.  He advocated
action, devotion, breath control and atma vichara to various people,
with a caveat that everyone should come to atma vichara at the end.
Again, in action, He stressed desireless action, in devotion, devotion
to the Self within, in breath control, concentrating on the Brahman
within and in atma vichara, the Heart.  In this connection, I like
Muruganar, Sri Sadhu Om and David Godman, for giving the direct
teachings of Bhagavan and the auxillary steps, side by side.

Sri Sadhu Om gives a beautiful example.  If one wants to go
to Vellore, on the east of T malai, and he does not know cycling.
He should practise cycling on the eastern side, so that he would
have covered some distance in reaching Vellore.  If he tries to
learn cycling on the west of T malai, then after learning cycling,
he has come back to T malai and then proceed west to reach
Vellore!

Bhagavan told Kavyakanata, who was the master in devotion and
action and breath control, to find out wherefrom the mantra japa
rises and then asked him to quell it there.  Whereas He told Mother
Azhagamma only to abhor the desires for good food, poppad etc.,
because she had already mastered devotion and only needed to
leave the unwanted actions to get tasty greens and poppad!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 06:15:57 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

You are absolutely correct and this is a very important thing to know when learning Sri Ramana's teaching. It also denote the great compassion, respect and Love that he showed to everyone coming to him.

In my personal case, I had read a few books of Sri Ramana's teaching a few years back and had gone elsewhere because I didn't understand the depth of his teaching then. I studied Dzogchen (Buddhism) for a while, looked at "neo-Advaita" teachers and still felt something was "missing".

I returned to Sri Ramana with Sri Sadhu Om. Finaly all the pieces came together.
Oh Arunachala, blazing fire of Jnana, in my heart I pray and think of Thee from afar, root out the ego, merging me in the Self.

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 07:41:24 PM »
Dear non duel,  as T.S. Eliot has said, " At the end, everything
will look the same." 

I started with Camus, Kafka, Nietzhe and Sartre and Russel.
I went into Western philosophy, a lot of Indian scriptures, had
a stint  with Sri Satya Sai Baba, Shirdi Sai Baba, Sri Raghavendra
and Sri Sri Ravisankar.  I read astrology, numerogy and Chinese Torts.
Finally I took interest in Sankara and Bhagavan.  I believe I have
arrived. At the end of the road, what is there more to proceed?

Arunachala Siva.   

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 08:36:04 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

"I believe I have arrived".  Yes it's a feeling of being at Home again. A convinction.

Occasionaly questions arrise from the ego, the mind, like my post on prarabdha. I am happy to have people like you to help me sort out the small doubts arrising, thus I can BE STILL. It is like a work in progress where the mind will finaly be without any more question, and that will be the end.
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2008, 11:06:23 AM »
Dear non duel, Yes.  In our path to self-enquiry, doubts will
arise, and we have to seek the help of others to solve them or
find the answers.  The work in progress will then get a formation
of finished product, that is the Self.  There is a book called
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake, by James Joyce.  That
book has not been completed,  and people say that no one in
the world has ever completed reading the book!   James Joyce,
wrote three novels in his life.  The first is:  The Portarait of an
Artist as a Young Man.  The second is:  Ulysses.  The third one is:
Work in Progress or Finnegans Wake.  In the whole world, there
is only one prose book (!) for which a key was written, (as they
would write for Sakespeare), and that is Ulysses. 

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2009, 06:57:04 AM »
See the warning about him and his book and the "Awareness watching Awareness" method in http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/warning-about-quot-awareness-watching-awareness-quot

I quote from there:

"It is an erroneous distorted interpretation of Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj in general and of the Self Inquiry in particular."

"But worse of all, it assumes that the Self or as it termed there "background awareness" can be watched as an object while it is fundamental that anything that can be watched as an object cannot be the ultimate subject, the self, but is just another face of the "I" thought. Regarding the self, you can only abide in it, not watch it, i.e. peel off the onion to remain naked as the self."
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2009, 10:33:04 AM »
Dear riktam,

Yes.  There are many like Langford, who have written incorrect
things about Bhagavan Ramana and Self Enquiry.  They not only
understand Bhagavan Ramana incorrectly, but also write out their
own " rotten theories " about Him.  One should be careful in
reading such books.  One another gentleman (see David Godman's
blog, old posts, in www.davidgodman.org) said that since Bhagavan
Ramana had no formal learning of scriptures, He must not have
self realized!  What to say?

Arunachala Siva.