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mikroth

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The 16 shakti
« on: October 16, 2008, 06:22:20 PM »
Namaste.. another question !

The shakti of Brahman are sometimes enumerated (that very Indian characteristic !) as 16, of which Krishna was said to possess some but not all... and sometimes equated with the 16 swara; and which exceptional human beings might hope to possess one or two, such as fame and glory and renunciation...

While many of us might feel that this is a side-issue to bhaktin and jnanin --did Sri Ramana ever discuss this matter ?

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 10:19:12 AM »
Dear mikroth,

To my knowledge, Bhagavan did not discuss the 16 types or any types
of Sakti.  The 16 Saktis, I am not able to find out the list.  But these
could mean 8 Siddhis, supernatural powers like, becoming small like
an atom, or becoming big like a mountain, becoming very heavy,
becoming very light like a feather etc.,  These are described in
Ribhu Gita. If these could mean 10 Siddhis, then these are the
handmaids of Uma, called Dasa Maha Vidya.  This is in tantra-sastras.
They are Tara, Kali, Dhoomavathi etc., The No. 16 somehow does
not ring the bell in me.

In Sri Ramana Gita. for the questions of Kavyakanta Ganapati Muni
and others, Bhagavan speaks about the "sakti" (meaning only the
power) of a Jnani.  These replies are in Chapters X and XII of
that book.  Kindly see my Posts on Sri Ramana Gita, given in the
Forum, for the English Translation of Sri Ramana Gita.

Arunachala Siva. 

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 11:27:31 AM »
Dear mikroth,

I picked up some more information from a book of Sakta Mantra
and also from Sir John Woodroffe's book titled Sakti and Sakta.

The 16 Saktis are represented by the 16 alphabets of Sakti
in a mantra called Shodasakshari.  Each letter, a matruka varna,
represents one type of Power.

Woodroffe's book says that it represents 15 digits of moon,
each one indicating a Power, from New Moon and to Full Moon.
and a sixteenth Power beyond the Full Moon, which is brighter
than 1000 Full Moons.  All are facets of Sakti.

Regarding the 16 letters of Shodaskshari, this should be learnt
through a Guru and not from some other person.  Hence I have
not divulged them to you.

Arunachala Siva.   
   

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 11:49:06 AM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         The sixteenth is Nitya kala which underlies as substratum of all the 15 kalas.The moon on Siva's head represents Nitya kala.
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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 12:05:58 PM »
Dear Dr. Raju, Thank you for your additional information.  Both
mikroth and I are benefited.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 03:32:55 PM »
Dear Arunachala Siva and Dr Raju,

All gratitude to you for your information.

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 12:51:20 AM »
Dear Raju ji


Shiva has the Nithya kala moon, Devi also (Kamakshi ). has moon on her head . She has also Nithya kala moon.?
I heard the story. Once Chandra (moon God) laughed at Ganesh seeing his big tummy and the face of elephant,
ganesha cursed moon that his beauty should diminsh day by day. It so happened to moon. He felt ashamed for his fault and did penace to Shiva. Shiva showed his mercy and forgave and put moon on his Jada. This moon is called 3rd day moon from
Amavashya. If people see the 3rd day moon (Moonram pirai) our sins all get washed away. But it will be visible for few minutes in the evening. As Shiva blessed moon again he started growing till 15 and he started looking very beautiful on (15th) full moon day. I do not know about Devi why she has the moon on her head.

Like you said each akshra in sanskrit has a meaning and the nos. also denotes lots of meaning in our tradition.
The zero has lots of meaning. Sunya. Jnani likes this  only.

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 06:51:31 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,
                       Just as the light and heat aspects are inseparable from fire,the conscious principle (Siva) and the dynamic principle (Sakti) are
inseparable from Brahman.They exist together,so they wear birthless,deathless Nitya Kala which is without waxing and waning unlike other kalas.
It is one of the waxing and waning form of moon that laughed at Ganesha and got cursed.Nitya kala  always reflects the light
of Brahman without any break.That is why it is called Nitya Kala.
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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 07:28:20 AM »
Dear Raju ji

Thanks for the explaination. Yes Sakti and Shiva both are one. Inseparable.As it is the Nithya kala, so both are having.
I thought Shiva wears the laughing moon. It is very difficult to know Him. Without His grace who can know all about Him
I used to read whatever I get it here and there. I wanted to clear my doubt that is why I asked you. Once again I thank you for giving the meaning.

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 12:21:24 PM »
Dear mikroth, Thank you.

Dear Dr. Raju and Ramanaduli, in Saiva panteon, all the three,
Siva, Uma and Ganesa wear the moon.  All the three have three
eyes.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: The 16 shakti
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 12:26:56 PM »
Dear Ramanaduli and Dr. Raju,

This reminds me one Nindha-sthuthi, Praying as if Scolding,
in Tamil.  One poet told Siva,

"They say that you have three eyes!  O Siva. It is all bluff.
One and a half eyes belong to my mother, Unnamulai, who
is on the left side of you.  The balance is only one and a half
eyes.  Even in this, one eye was given to you by Kannappar.
So, you have only one half of an eye!  They say you are having
a moon, which represents bliss.  But this is a three digit moon,
without any light.  All light comes to you, from my mother,
Unnamulai, please remember!"

Arunachala Siva.