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Akarma(nondoership)
« on: October 02, 2008, 02:02:22 PM »
One day Bhagawan is walking on Arunachala hill.Three learned people came near him and asked Bhagawan "what is meant by Akarma even when one is engaged
in work".Bhagawan did not reply but took a stem of a moderate sized plant and started making it into a staff with the help of leaves there.It took one and half hours
to prepare and give finishing touches to that staff and to the surprise of questioners the staff is extremely beautiful.By the time it is finished one shepard boy
came there and saluted Bhagawan and asked about his welfare.Bhagawan gave that beauiful staff to that boy saying that it will be useful to hiim but he did not
answer to the question of the learned people and went upwards.The learned people understood the existential message of action wihout doership without
an eye on the fruit of action and went happily.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 05:00:12 PM »
Dear Raju, Yes.  Bhagavan demonstrated what is Nishkamya
Karma or Naishkarmya Karma or Akarma, to the questioner.
Bhagavan used to prepare nice curries, sambhar and rice by
toiling for a couple of hours with kitchen workers.  But at
the lunch, He used to mix everything and took them as one
lump, without bothering about taste!

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2008, 02:12:44 PM »
Dear srkudai, I shall give you a puzzle.  All of you can give their
views.  Is Desiring the Self, a desire or not?

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2008, 02:30:07 PM »
Dear Subramanian,
                         Desire for self is also a desire because like other desires it is an outcome of self-ignorance.But desire for self finally leads
to self-enquiry and is consumed in the fire of self-knowledge that is conferred during enquiry,so i welcome that desire.Desire for self happens because of God's grace.
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Re: Akarma(nondoership)
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2008, 03:55:14 AM »

dear
subrahmaniyan ji

In tamil sages say AASAI ARUMIN ARUMIN  EESANANALUM AASAI ARUMIN
Esan i.e. Eswar and Self both are same is not it. But i think after realising Eshwar the knower and known will be same so there would not be desire.   Who will have the desire? Is not it?

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2008, 10:25:26 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,  Yes.  Tirumoolar said:  You cut the desires
all the desires, even your desire with the Self or God.  He has
advocated desisrelessness towards the Self also.  But let us hear
the others.  And then work out the final answer.  Once Visvanathaswami's brother who was a Gandhian and a freedom
fighter came to the Asram.  He had no faith in castes etc., Despite
being a Brahmin, he deliberately sat in a non brahmin's row for
meals.  Bhagavan said that even the desirelessness to sit in
a brahmin's row for meals is also a desire!  The Self is beyond
the desires and non desires!  What do you say for this?

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 08:27:54 PM »
Dear Subrahmaniyanji

After realaising the Self, all works, speech comes normal way. in natural way. So Bhagavan got realaisation and
the SELF was moving, talking even though it had a human frame. There is no desire or any intention to show off.
But without self realisation whatever people do there must be some ego touch. People may become slaves to their behaviour, symbols and robes. Bhagavan must have realised the gentleman who sat in non brahmin's row. He wanted to show himself that he does not believe in cast system. I think politics and spiritualism cannot go along. We are all ordinary atma. Karam Chand Gandhi was mahatma due to his selveless desire towards to one country i.e. India. Whereas Bhagavan is paramatma for the 14 lokhas. My mother used to advise me, even if you know something you must have the bowyam specially in front of mahans. All are Bhagavans Leelas. That much I can say.

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2008, 10:07:25 PM »
Dear  srkudhay


First we can touch only the objects. We cannot touch the air. but we can feel it. In the same way Bhagavan is now not in physical form so we cannot touch His feet. But having Bhakti and surrender we can feel the grace in any form like air because now He is in everywhere like air and space.
Am I right?

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 11:49:51 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli and srkudai,  When we touch the items mentioned
by you, we are not doing anything.  Only the feeling of the touch
is there.  In case of Bhagavan too, we have to only feel Him in
our Heart, after stopping touching of other things which are worldly
and empirical.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2008, 07:13:39 PM »
On the subject of non-doership, I shall give a quote from Annamalai
Swami -Final Talks:

Once a questioner asked:

The desire to become absorbed in the Self, seems to be some kind
of vasana.  It is still a desire, and to indulge in it implies that I must
look for something I do not already have.  With this attitude, I then
feel that I am setting up enlghtenment as some kind of a future goal,
and not something that is here and now.  There is something very
dualistic in this attitude, and I sometimes get the feeling that I am
not accepting Bhagavan's will for the present moment if I am looking
for something that is not here and now.

Annamalai Swami:

This desire is not counter productive.  The desire for enlightenment
is necessary because without it, you live never the necessary steps
to realize the Self.  A desire to walk to a particular place is necessary
before, you take any steps.  If that desire is not present, you will
never take up the first step.  When you realize the Self, that desire
will go.

Here again, it is only "the desire for enlightenment" that is, the process,
and not the Self, which is the goal.  I still feel that Bhagavan had
mentioned anything directly like the desire for the Self.

Arunachala Siva.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2008, 07:52:54 PM »
Dear srkudai ji

In one way you are correct. we need not to do anything. But when? When I remove my ignorance of my necklace is on my neck. Until then I have to search till I meet some sat guru. Like Sri Ramakrishna says, till our stomach get filled up we will be eating and there must be noise. Once it is filled up there would not be any sound. KUCH NA KAHO.......
In tamil sages say  SUMMA IRUPPADHE SUKAM. until we find out our "SELF"


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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 11:04:29 AM »
Dear Ramanaduli,

The ignorance is alone is the villain of the peace.  Ignorance or
ajnana is one which makes us to have desires for worldly things,
do things with ego and get feelings like pain and pleasure, happiness
and misery, good and bad.  Ignorance is like darkness and the
mere presence of Knowledge removes the darkness.  The
sun or lamp should be "merely" present and it does not eradicate
the darkenss; the darkness merely disappears.

Arunachala Siva. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 05:36:16 AM »
Dear srkudai ji

Thanks for guiding me. It is most unfortunate to wasting my life in darkeness. All my life I read books but did not understand properly. And I did not get any proper gidence also. Let me see at least this time Chanting slokas, doing pujas, going to temples all do not satisfy me. But with grace of Bhagavan I am learning lot from this forum.  After reaching Chennai let me try.

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