Author Topic: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)  (Read 7163 times)

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« on: September 18, 2008, 02:27:05 PM »
1. Arunagiri Malai - Garland to Arunachala:-

1. O Siva, you could not be reached by the swan and the
pig, which went up and down to search your head and feet.
But you have got a son, (Ganapati), who collected tax from
the robbers, and he is the one at the gates of your temple,
ever vigilant.  I bow to that Ganapati to get into your abode.

2. You kicked Yama, god of death and burnt, god of love,
with the eyes on your forehead!  But you ever protect us
the devotees, who think of you and who remember your
holy feet, O Arunachala.

3. One shall drink milk, another shall drink water in the Hill,
One another drank only the air.  How can one can get anything,
unless you ordain it for us, O Arunachala, who had the Trident
and Vishnu as his arrow?

4. The great good Arunachala, if he punishes us, it is only to
make us good and remove our dirt of sins.  If a washerman
hits the clothes against the stone slab, it is only to remove
the dirt in the clothes and not to tear them off!*

(* This poem has been cited by Bhagavan, in one of his talks,
vide Day by Day of Devaraja Mudaliar. )

5. Arunachala is there ever present, to give to the each living
being food for its eating.  Why are you always thinking about
your food, clothing and shelter?  Do not fear, quieten the mind.

6. O Siva, who is going to live in this world for ever?  Who can
live without your grace?  If I understand that You are the one,
who is birthless and deathless and pray for your grace, then
I shall live without death and birth.

7. O Siva, concorporate of Unnamulai!  In the tanks of Annamalai,
there are lotuses, in the fields are paddy grains, in the streets are
pearls.  How come, you burnt the god of love, who came with
flowers, sugarcane and pearls?

8. O Arunachala, what is the use of closing the nose and doing
breath-control?  What is the use of throwing water on all the
three occasions, (it means the sun worship of Brahmins)?  What
is the use of developing oratory?  If one does not say, 'Arunachala
Siva', even once in a day, he is doomed for ever!

to be contd...

Arunachala Siva.     

sonagiri

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 29
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2010, 02:43:36 PM »
You didn't include verse 18 of Arunagiri Malai in your posts. It says:

Though we could live by drinking nothing but milk,
or by sipping water and eating dry leaves,
or even learn to subsist by consuming air alone,
could anything be gained apart from that
which is ordained by our Lord Arunesar,
whose long trident lifted Vishnu?
Speak!

Do you know what the reference is to Siva lifting Vishnu with his trident?

Verse 30 of the same work may allude to the same incident:

Yama knows his foot,
Vishnu, his savage trident and battle axe.
Brahma knows his intent,
Mother his physical form.
Beyond this,
who can know the complete form
of Arunachala’s Lord?
Speak!

The severed head of Vishnu also makes an appearance in verse 415:

Mother! Tell us how You took as Your form
half of that intense fire of Sonagiri,
He who consumed the poison,
without being frightened by the head of Vishnu
that lay in the front
and the head of Brahma impaled on His trident.

I have a feeling that these three verses are all referencing the same incident. Do you know what it might be?

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2010, 03:37:46 PM »
[/b]
Dear sri sonagiri,

Saiva Siddhantam speaks of the eons where both Brahma and Vishnu died.  Most of us know only when Siva plucked one of the heads of Brahma and hold Brahma Kabalam, the skull of Brahma for his bhiksha.  But Saiva Siddantam says after every 100 Brahmas, one Vishnu also dies.  Only Siva and his concorporate Uma is eternal.

There is an indirect reference to this in Tiru Chazhal of Saint
Manikkavachagar, Verse 11:-

O girl, what is this penance?  He wears the nerves and the bones,
And had lovingly held the skull on his shoulders, see!

O yes, why he wears skull, listen, in the lapse of eons,
He wears THE SKULLS OF THE TWO,
When their time came to an end!

Again, Saint Manikkavachagar says in Tiru ToL Nokkam, Verse 9, in Tiruvachakam:-

The three demons after escaping the great fire*
Stood at the doors of my Father, with three eyes,
Afterwards, countless Indras, Brahmas and
Many Mals** ended on this earth, Tol Nokkam! 

(* I am not sure who these three demons who escaped the
great fire. Perhaps the correct reading should be - "died in the great fire", meaning Tripuras.  But all versions of Tiruvachakam gives only 'escaped the great fire'. ** Here, the poet clearly says many Mals [Vishnus] ended on this earth.)
[/b]
Arunachala Siva.         

sonagiri

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 29
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2010, 09:57:40 PM »
Yes, I thought it might be connected to Vishnu's disappearance just prior to the cosmic dissolution, but there doesn't seem to be any explicit reference in any story that I have read of Siva severing Vishnu's head or impaling him on his trident.

Are the three demons who escaped the great fire the ones who were spared when the tripuras were burned? Verse 320 mentions the story:

Annamalaiyar!
You searched out and selected Mount Meru as Your bow,
the cloud-hued one as the arrow,
and earth as Your chariot.
When You were riding in it, the entire tripura was burned,
But how was it that the three survived?

Within the three cities there were three devotees of Siva who had retained their devotion to him and who regularly performed Siva pujas. When Siva destroyed the three cities, he spared these three devotees and recruited them to be members of his entourage: two became gatekeepers while the third became a temple drummer. Jnanasambandhar also mentions them in the first verse of the patikam he sang at Arunachala:

The three cities of the demon foes He burnt,
then granted the three His grace that very day.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 09:53:57 AM »

Dear Sri Sonagiri,

Thank you for the information about the Tripura devotees. 

Again Sri Sankara says in Sri Soundarya Lahari, Verse 26:-

"Brahma dissolves as elements - i.e dies.  Vishnu also dies ['virathim'].  Yama also dies ['vinasam'].  Kubera dies ['nidhanam'].
All Indras, one after another, close their eyes for long sleep. [dies].
In that time of Great Dissolution, O Mother of sublime chastity,
your consort Sadasiva plays with you!" 

Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 05:11:27 PM »

Dear Sri Sonagiri,

Regarding Arunagiri Malai, Verse 18,  Maalai eduttha nedunc
choolathu iRaivar Arunesar....,  there are some indirect references
in Skandam.  In the Dadhichi - Daksha samvadam, in Daksha Kandam, Dadichi says, Bharivar who came after the Brahma's
utter lie [in Arunachala Story], not only pulled Brahma's top head,
with his nails but also took the blood of Indra and Tirumal and
drank merrily as sacrifice.  Bhairavar of course, is Siva's form.
But there is no mention about trident here.

Again during Daksha's fire sacrifices for which Siva was not invited,
Veerabhadra comes when Dakshayani was insulted.  After treatment to Brahma and others, when Vishnu swooned of shock,
he gets up again after some time. He wanted to fight with
Veerabhadra since Brahma is Vishnu's son.  At that time, when
Vishnu calls for his vehicle Garudan, Veerabhadra burns it by
his look.  The Panchajanyam and Saarngam were also vanquished.  When finally Vishnu sent a rain of arrows, Veerabhadra sent his
weapon called Vatavamukagni and pierced the chest of Vishnu.
Here again, there is no trident but the special weapon.  Vishnu
did not die but lost his consciousness again... This is also in
Daksha Kandam of Skandam.

There is another story where, when Narasimha's anger did not subside even after tearing the chest and stomach of Hiranyakashyap, Siva came as Sarabeswara [a bird with a thousand feathers and a lion's face and sharp teeth] and spreads its wings over Narasimha and pierce it with its beak.  This Sarabeswara image can be seen in a temple near Kumbakonam, I think it is
Tiribhuvanam.  Here again, Narasimha a form of Vishnu is quelled by Sarabeswara, a form of Siva. 

But none of these stories there is mention about trident or Narayana being killed.

Arunachala Siva.           

 

ramanaduli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 850
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 05:55:42 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji,

They say, to make Vishnu's anger subside, Prahalda started praying Mahalakshmi to come down and console vishnu.
That is why here Vishnu gave darshan of Lakshmi Narasimhan. As His anger was not subsided then Sarabheswar came and lastly, Prathyangara came to calm down Vishnu.  I do not know how far it is true. Now on sundays during Ragu kalam
lots of people do puja to Sarabheswarar. There is no idol but He is seen in pillar of Shiva's temple. These Ragu kalam
pujas all became famous recently only by the astroledgers.  It is all individual's faith.


Ramanaduli

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 09:34:53 AM »


Dear ramanaduli,

Sarabeswara came when Narasimha's anger did not subside.  Beyond
that I am not conversant with other stories.  Normally Raghu Kala
special pujas are done for Durga and Sarabeswara.  But Sarabeswara's stone image is not seen in many temples.


Arunachala Siva.
 

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 09:38:55 AM »


Dear Sri Sonagiri,

I was thinking about the Verse 18, where it is said:  Malai edutha
nedun choolathu iRaivar......  Perhaps a simple interpretation without
bringing Mal [Vishnu] is to treat the word as "Maalai" - garland,
so it  becomes the Trident wearing the garland.  The verb 'edutha'
also comes in the meaning of 'aNintha' - wearing.  The Trident is
described in many poems as having garland.


Arunachala Siva.

sonagiri

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 29
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 11:49:20 AM »
Dear Sri Subramanian,

Thanks for the suggestion, and apologies for the delayed response. Can you give me some citations of the trident being adorned with a garland? I don't recollect reading that anywhere.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2010, 02:34:44 PM »


Dear Sri Sonagiri,

So far, I went through Sundaramurty's Tevaram [Book 7] and then Tiruvachakam [part of Book 8].  I find the Verse 30 of Neethal
ViNNappam contains the phrase, "wearing the garlands of intestine."
I am not sure whether Siva is wearing garland of intestine or his
trident.  We have seen Siva's pictures with garland of skulls,
Konrai flowers and not garland of intestine.  So it could be the garland of intestine on the trident.  Since I do not have an authentic prose version of these songs, I am not very sure.

Kudar nedu maalai sutri.... {Neethal ViNNappam, Verse 30 in
Tiruvachakam.}   

I am searching other books of Saiva Canons.


Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2010, 08:58:06 AM »



Dear Sri sonagiri,

I am again coming to Verse 18 of Arunagiri Maalai.  Leaving the
trident adorning a garland, it seems now more appropriate to
have it as 'the Trident lifting the Mal [Vishnu].'

I happened to go through late last evening, the Tiruvachakam, Tamizh commentary of Swami Chidbhavananda [Sri Ramakrishna Tapovanam, Tiruparaithurai, Tiruchirapalli District, 2002 edition].  There, Swami Chidbhavananda while commenting on Verse 1 of Tiru Padai Aatchi, [Tiruvachakam, 49]  takes up the line 3 of the Verse 1 with more details.

MangaLil Vandhu PiRanthidumaru MaRanthidum Aahadhe...

"Let me not again take birth in this world, covered by darkness
of ignorance, and forget my Swarupam."

Here, Swami C. quotes a puranic story, source not known.

When Vishnu took up incarnation as Varaha, Boar to kill Hiranyashaka, after vanquishing the demon, he wanted to spend
some time in the world as a boar!  Soon, he became enchanted
with this life as a boar and forgot his abode, Vaikuntam.  The
devas came and told him to come back.  Vishnu said:  "There is
no happiness like this, I am happy as a boar!"   

The devas went to Siva and complained and requested him to solve
the problem.  Siva came and asked the boar to come back as
Vishnu in Vaikuntam.  Vishnu did not pay heed.

Then Siva, darted his trident on the boar and lifted it up.  Then
only Vishnu recollected his Swarupam, came out of the delusion,
and got back to Vaikuntam.   

I think this will be more appropriate, only the source for this story
should be known.  May be it is in Varaha Puranam.



Arunachala Siva.

Subramanian.R

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 42870
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2010, 10:42:17 AM »



Dear Sri sonagiri,

If what is written for Verse 18 of Arunagiri Maalai can be convincing,
then for Verse 30, 'Kadum Choolak Kaimazhuvai Maal ARiyum" can
also be explained, with the same puranic story of Varaaha.



Arunachala Siva.   

ramanaduli

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 850
    • View Profile
Re: Guhai Namasivya's Poems - (5)
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2010, 12:26:46 PM »
Dear Subramaniyan ji


Thanks for giving the meaning for Siva's Tridant. The varaha avatharam itself shows a inner meaning of the ignorance why human
being taking birth. Even Vishnu can forget His swaroopam after coming to this earth and refused to go back to vaikuntam. At the end Lord Shiva comes to rescue everyone reminding our swaroopam. The particular lines gives why Shiva is having Tridant. Whenever we see the tridant we should remember our ignorance and should pray to remove it.


Ramanaduli