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General topics / Re: Saiva Canons of Tiru Navukkarasar. Canons 4,5, and 6:
« Last post by Subramanian.R on November 20, 2017, 12:26:19 PM »
Verse 5:

மண்பொருந்தி வாழ்பவர்க்கும் மாதீர்த்த வேதியர்க்கும்
விண்பொருந்து தேவர்க்கும் வீடுபேறாய் நின்றானைப்
பண்பொருந்த விசைபாடும் பழனஞ்சே ரப்பனையென்
கண்பொருந்தும் போதத்துங் கைவிடநான் கடவேனோ.

Siva who was freedom from sufferings and attainment of eternal bliss, to the people who live in this earth, to the very pure Brahmins, to the Devas who live in heaven,
and my father in Pazhaṉam where music is sung to be appropriate to melodies,
will I give up thinking of him even at the time of my death?

Arunachala Siva.
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General topics / Re: Saiva Canons of Tiru Navukkarasar. Canons 4,5, and 6:
« Last post by Subramanian.R on November 20, 2017, 12:21:25 PM »
Verse  4:

புதியையா யினியையாம் பூந்தென்றால் புறங்காடு
பதியாவ திதுவென்று பலர்பாடும் பழனத்தான்
மதியாதார் வேள்விதனை மதித்திட்ட மதிகங்கை
விதியாள னென்னுயிர்மேல் விளையாடல் விடுத்தானோ.


O!  Southern balmy breeze which is fresh, fragrant and delightful! Siva in Pazhaṉam which is sung by many as ''this is his favorite city" Did the ordainer of fate who wears the crescent moon and Ganga and destroyed by his fury the sacrifice performed by
Daksha and other Devas, send you to play with my life? 

Arunachala Siva.
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General topics / Re: Saiva Canons of Tiru Navukkarasar. Canons 4,5, and 6:
« Last post by Subramanian.R on November 20, 2017, 12:16:55 PM »
Verse  3:


மனைக்காஞ்சி யிளங்குருகே மறந்தாயோ மதமுகத்த
பனைக்கைம்மா வுரிபோர்த்தான் பலர்பாடும் பழனத்தான்
நினைக்கின்ற நினைப்பெல்லா முரையாயோ நிகழ்வண்டே
சுனைக்குவளை மலர்க்கண்ணாள் சொற்றூதாய்ச் சோர்வாளோ.

Young crane which is perched on the river Portia, which grows in the garden of the house! Did you forget? Will you not tell all my thoughts to Siva in Pazhaṉam where devotees sing his praise, and who covered himself with the skin of an elephant which has a trunk like the Palmyra tree in color and shape?  Bright bee! Will the lady-messenger who has eyes as beautiful as the blue Nelumbo flowers in the mountain spring, will forget me on account of the love she developed towards him or will she falter in speech?

Arunachala Siva.
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General topics / Re: Saiva Canons of Tiru Navukkarasar. Canons 4,5, and 6:
« Last post by Subramanian.R on November 20, 2017, 12:11:19 PM »
Verse  2:


கண்டகங்காள் முண்டகங்காள் கைதைகாள் நெய்தல்காள்
பண்டரங்க வேடத்தான் பாட்டோவாப் பழனத்தான்
வண்டுலாந் தடமூழ்கி மற்றவனென் றளிர் வண்ணம்
கொண்டநா டானறிவான் குறிக்கொள்ளா தொழிவானோ.

White long flowered Nail-Dyes! Water thorns!  Fragrant screw-pines!
Blue Nelumbo flowers.  Siva who has the dress appropriate to the dance of Pāṇṭaraṅkam, who is Paḻzhaṉam, where music is never-ceasing.  Bathing in the tank, where bees are wandering from flower to flower will Siva who knows that day when he enjoyed my complexion as beautiful as tender leaves, abandon me without guarding me carefully. 

Arunachala Siva.
 
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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« Last post by Ravi.N on November 20, 2017, 11:29:03 AM »
Udai garu,
I have just made a statement of facts...When he gave the power of attorney he just did not have any wind of what it truly meant....He just thought that the responsibility is transferred to Sri Ramakrishna and he could do as it pleases him...slowly he came to realise that he had unwittingly surrendered his so called 'freedom' (doing as he wishes to)...and he had to work his way from there.


ha ha ...you are fond of teaching!
"even when we think we are controlling the world we have really no control".

Even if we have such control,it is not worth it...Remember Mahabali?...The Real thing has nothing to do with the world or whether we can control it..The Real worth is intrinsic to God or Self....There simply needs to be no reason to be devoted to Self/God.
This is why  Sri Ramakrishna says in the gospel:
MASTER: "Tell me, what is the meaning of renunciation?"
M: "Renunciation does not mean simply dispassion for the world. It means dispassion for the world and also longing for God."

namaskar
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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« Last post by srkudai on November 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM »
Dear Ravi ji,
   :) True, i remember reading the corrections by sri ramakrishna in the gospel itself.

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It was not as simple as that...slowly the implication of 'the power of attorney' dawned on him and with gentle reminders and corrections on the part of the master and later on as life unrolled the way it did for Girish...Often he found the going tough...was plagued by bouts of doubt and despondency...what he was in for slowly dawned on him and he learnt to cope up with that and began living that....it was not at all easy and cosy...all this is covered in the fine biography by Swami Chetanananda.

But do we see something here ? When he gave the power of attorney he was free... when he took it upon himself he felt doubt etc. then again he would let go and experience freedom ... isnt it ?
whenever he took it upon himself , became a doer ... he suffered.
when he "dropped off" even temporarily, he experienced his own being and abided as Self.

The complexity is because of not dropping off. not because of difficulty in the suggestion itself. we somehow cling and do not want to leave our hold on this world and so we suffer. not because leaving is difficult but because we do not want to leave. we believe its unwise to leave our hold on worldliness ... while the truth is , even when we think we are controlling the world we have really no control. and in these matters its useless to tell agian and again that one should leave worldliness ... instead its wisdom that works ... so when we contemplate on the world and see that whether we agree or disagree ... everything is out of control ... wow! at once we notice that beyond the lack of control is a freedom not explainable in words !

the problem is we think this world is our savior ... its going to provide us with fulfillment ...
the solution is to see the reality of the world. see it again and again until we no more mistake ... this is called self inquiry by bhagavan !

Love!
Silence
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General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« Last post by Ravi.N on November 20, 2017, 09:03:41 AM »
Udai/Friends,
The Transformation of Girish ,a talk by Swami Chetanananda...Warmly recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdFoEGS0gug

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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« Last post by Ravi.N on November 20, 2017, 08:53:17 AM »
srkudai,

" Sri Ramakrishna said the same thing to Girish Chandra Gosh - he said give me the power of attorney and when he truly did it, he stood free not because sri ramakrishna gave him anything new but because he resolved into being rather than doing."

It was not as simple as that...slowly the implication of 'the power of attorney' dawned on him and with gentle reminders and corrections on the part of the master and later on as life unrolled the way it did for Girish...Often he found the going tough...was plagued by bouts of doubt and despondency...what he was in for slowly dawned on him and he learnt to cope up with that and began living that....it was not at all easy and cosy...all this is covered in the fine biography by Swami Chetanananda.
One day Girish said about a trifling matter, "Yes, I shall do this." "No, no!" the Master corrected him. "You must not speak in that egotistic manner. You should say, 'God willing, I shall do it.'....Girish had to begin at this level.
Namaskar

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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 20, 2017, 07:51:03 AM »
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When we observe that the world is totally out of control, and say "this is not my business" [as Annamalai Swami ji said], we automatically resolve. The world is totally out of control and it is therefore not our business. Having this attitude "its none of our business" is another name for self inquiry.

Thanks for the above quote Udai
Bhagavan always told people to mind their business and there is a funny incident to narrate this . Once a person came to the Ashram and he used to just eat well and then go to sleep snoring loudly . One devotee of Bhagavan ( I think Kanakammal ) was observing this for few days and was deeply disturbed by this and went and complained to Bhagvan saying "Look Bhgavan that man is just coming to the dining hall eating nicely and then going to sleep and he  has been doing this for the last few days " and Bhagavan slowly replied to her "He is attending to the work he came for ( i.,e eating and sleeping )  and you attend to the work you came for here ( i.e to do atma vichara )  i,e basically MIND YOUR BUSINESS . For me personally this is the most important teaching of Bhagavan especially when I end up frustrated judging people or situations in the world as why these things happen , why do these people behave this way and so whenever I get disturbed I used to remember this incident and then smile to myself .
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General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« Last post by Jewell on November 20, 2017, 12:00:12 AM »

Wu Hsin is so full that
Nothing can be added.
Wu Hsin is so empty that
Nothing can be removed.
The outer world of perceptions,
The inner world of thoughts,
Wu Hsin is neither yet
The knower of both.

Wu Hsin
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