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Anil,
Pregnant and beautiful verse of  Thayumanavar from 'AnandamAna param' (verse 2)
Have attempted a simpler translation:

As clarity, as confusion-as the toiling mind
As the growing intelligence in the mind
As the Siva Consciousness that engulfs the Intelligence
Wondrously diverse(Vichitram is the word used-ravi) -as immovable and unchanging (sthira is the word used-ravi),
As objects varied, as the organ perceiving those objects
As senses five, as elements five
As the outer and the inner, as afar and near
As that which goes and that which comes
As darkness, as light
As good and bad,
As today, tomorrow and evermore
As the one, as the many, as the all
As none of these-
Thou who stands thus,
Other than those who abide in grace
Can anyone know easily?
Oh! Thou, Param that is Bliss
Encompassing in Pervasive Fullness,
The Universes many and Spaces vast!

Namaskar
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General topics / Re: Reality and Fact
« Last post by Shivam on November 15, 2017, 05:28:37 PM »
Thanks Skrudai for your response, I have not been able to spend time to read as yet, i shall however do so when i do get time.
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General topics / Re: What is truth? Who can know?
« Last post by Shivam on November 15, 2017, 05:27:18 PM »
Dear Ravi, thank you for your post. I just began to glance the post during my lunch time thinking i may read it later when i do get some free time. But it was really funny as you have also pointed out in a couple of places as well, i did find some similarity of myself in the dialogue and so, somehow that pushed me to fully read the post in seclusion here with great interest! I do feel a sense of relief really at the end! And at the possibility of such a friend!

I was surprised that a Shankaracharya has spoken in such detail so critically and also with empathy as you have mentioned. At the end, i feel, some bit of faith restored in me, let me see where that friend has to take me.
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Dear Anil ji,
       :)

When you are in the sea searching for the water ... what one needs is not "doing" , but "knowing"
its not really about "doing something or getting rid of something"
Quote
"The ego comes up only holding you (the Self). Hold yourself and the ego will vanish. Until then the sage will be saying, 'There is.' - The ignorant will be asking 'Where?'"

The problem here is of missing the Truth. Where is water ?
well, here is water, it has to be made explicit and clear.

The problem is of not knowing the Truth, not of being away from the truth.
We doubt that we are right now in the embrace of God. imagine accepting this ... imagine we have agreed ... what more needs to be done now ?

Love!
Silence
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General topics / Re: Saiva Canons of Tiru Navukkarasar. Canons 4,5, and 6:
« Last post by Subramanian.R on November 15, 2017, 04:24:18 PM »
Verse  2:

பூவினுக் கருங்கலம் பொங்கு தாமரை
ஆவினுக் கருங்கல மரனஞ் சாடுதல்
கோவினுக் கருங்கலங் கோட்ட மில்லது
நாவினுக் கருங்கல நமச்சி வாயவே.


That which sets off the beauty of flowers is the attractive lotus.
That which sets off the beauty of cows is Haraṉ Siva, bathing in their five products.
That which sets off the beauty of rulers is their impartiality.
That which sets off the beauty of the tongue is Namasivaya.

Arunachala Siva.

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As the mind that is tossed about
In the light and darkness of knowledge,
As the chit that grows with the mind,
As the Siva Chit that encompasses chits all,
As unique, as permanency,
As objects diverse,
As the senses that cognizes those objects,
As the sense organs five, as the elements five,
As objects external, as objects internal,
As distant, as near,
As going, as coming,
As darkness, as light,

As good, as evil,
As today, as tomorrow, as eternal,
As one, as many, as all,
As none of these,

Thou who stand as thus
Can anyone know easy,
But those who had received  Thy Grace?

Oh! Thou, Param that is Bliss
Encompassing in Pervasive Fullness,
The Universes many and Spaces vast!

Sri Thaumanavar
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Sri Bhagwan:

"If Self is (nitya) always and (siddha) present, how can there be ajnana? For whom is the ajnana? These are contradictory. But such statements are for guiding the earnest seeker in the right way. He does not readily understand the only Truth if mentioned in plain words as in natwam naham neme janadhipah (not thou, nor I, nor these kings ...). Sri Krishna declared the Truth, but Arjuna could not grasp it. Later Krishna plainly says that people confound Him with the body, whereas in reality He was not born nor will He die. Still Arjuna requires the whole Gita for the Truth to be made clear to him."



Dear Sri Udai,

You see, Lord Sri Krishna Himself declared the Truth, but even a devotee of Sri Arjuna's wisdom and maturity couldn't grasp it, and the Lord had to unfold the whole Gita to drive home the Truth.  This is why the Scriptures and all Sages say that the Self is ever-present, yet speak of the removal of ignorance. Since aeon before we lost hold of ourselves , or the Self, and started imagining as separate beings, we also started to imagine left, right, up, down, in, out etc., all with respect to the body only.  And therefore, to regain the Beatitude of the Atma-swarupa, we must dive and penetrate to the Heart, which is neither inside nor outside, neither upward nor downward, etc.,  but everywhere, as you said.  Why are Scriptures, philosophy, religions, disciplines, etc., are there, in the first place? The purpose of all these is only to turn our minds to Reality or Heart within, because so long as 'I am the body' idea  (dehatma buddhi) persists in one, the Seat of Realization  or Seat of regaining the Atma-swarupa or the Self is within five sheaths. Is it not?


Dear friend, nothing is apart from the Self, not even the ego or the ignorance. They all have the Self as the Source.  Enquiry 'Who Am I?', in fact, means only finding the Source from where all these imaginations, concepts ideas, etc. are emanating. To cut short the ignorance only Sri Bhagwan taught: 


Sri Bhagwan:
"Look, the Self is only Be-ing, not being this or that. It is simple Being. Be - and there is an end of the ignorance."


Moreover, your post reminded me of the following:


"The ego comes up only holding you (the Self). Hold yourself and the ego will vanish. Until then the sage will be saying, 'There is.' - The ignorant will be asking 'Where?'"



Thanks very much, dear Sri Udai.
Pranam
 Anil
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Quote:
"what should the one who is already drowned and with pearls to the left, right, up, below ... do ?   
where should he dive in and where should he look for the pearls ? search to the left , right or inside or outside ? and what is inside and what is outside when there are pearls everywhere"




Dear Sri Udai, well, you have raised a very interesting but profound question. I am right now in a little hurry. So, I shall come to it sometime in the evening when I have some free-time. Thanks, dear friend.

Pranam,
 Anil
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Quote:
"The master clearly explains the rationale behind the advice and guideline...Bhagavan does the same by advocating the enquiry 'who am I?' as a means to switch the attention to the 'I' sense ...this antarmukha drishti is the very essence of all spiritual practice...To know oneself is to Love oneself in the deepest possible way...Jnana and Bhakti are one and the same."


Dear Sri Ravi,

Yes, this is a very beautiful insight. Sri Bhagwan advocated 'Who Am I?' enquiry just as a means or as a contrivance to bring the externalized attention again to 'I' sense within, which helped cultivate one-pointedness of the mind and inner vision (antarmukha drishti), which are essential for all spiritual practice whatsoever, as you said so beautifully. Real Vichara is 'abidance' (Summa Iru). How can one seek to abide in oneself if one does not love oneself? Therefore, one-pointedness (concentration), 'antarmukha drishti' and Love are essential causes to invoke and obtain Divine Grace, which alone confers salvation or liberation.


Thanks very much, dear Sri Ravi, for two wonderful posts.
Pranam,
 Anil
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what should the one who is already drowned and with pearls to the left, right, up, below ... do ? :P
where should he dive in and where should he look for the pearls ? search to the left , right or inside or outside ? and what is inside and what is outside when there are pearls everywhere ?
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