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Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharshi: Can you stop the wars? He who made the world will take care of it.

Devotee: God made the world and He is not responsible for the present condition of the world. It is we who are responsible for the present state.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Can you stop the wars or reform the world?

Devotee: No.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Then why do you worry yourself about what is not possible for you? Take care of yourself and the world will take care of itself.

Devotee: We are pacifists. We want to bring about Peace.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Peace is always present. Get rid of the disturbances to Peace. This Peace is the Self. The thoughts are the disturbances. When free from them, you are Infinite Intelligence, i.e., the Self. There is Perfection and Peace.

Devotee: The world must have a future.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Do you know what it is in the present? The world and all together are the same, now as well as in the future.

Devotee: The world was made by the operation of Intelligence on ether and atoms.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: All of them are reduced to Isvara and Sakti. You are not now apart from Them. They and you are one and the same Intelligence.

After a few minutes one lady asked: "Do you ever intend to go to America?"

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: America is just where India is (i.e., in the plane of thought).

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 8 - Saint Manikkavachagar - Tiruvachakam
« Last post by Subramanian.R on May 20, 2019, 08:00:09 AM »
Verse  9:

தென்பா லுகந்தாடுந்
    தில்லைச்சிற் றம்பலவன்
பெண்பா லுகந்தான்
    பெரும்பித்தன் காணேடீ
பெண்பா லுகந்திலனேற்
    பேதாய் இருநிலத்தோர்
விண்பா லியோகெய்தி
    வீடுவர்காண் சாழலோ. 

O friend,
the Lord of Chitrambalm at Tillai,
who dances facing south,
is happily concorporate with a woman.
great indeed is His madness,
were He not happily concorporate with a woman,
you unintelligent one,
the dwellers of this wide earth,
to gain Heaven,
will take to Yoga fail and perish,
for sure,
Chaazhalo !

Arunachala Siva.
General Discussion / Spiritual Doubts Answered
« Last post by atmavichar100 on May 19, 2019, 11:04:40 PM »
This thread will have some spiritual doubts answered by various teachers from various Spiritual Schools - Ramana , Ramakrishna , Sivananda , Chinmaya , Dayananda , JK ,Osho etc etc .  It does not matter who the teacher is just see if the answers bring clarity to you .

Negative Vasanas: What to Do About Them?

Question-1 I have a strong negative vasana troubling me. I seem to get free from it for long periods and I return to it; and when it returns I feel guilt and shame. I try my best to get free from it, but instead I seem to be stuck with it. What do you suggest for me to do?

Answer : I vaguely remember that we talked about this some years back. Anyway, in a few words vasanas are traces or impressions left in the causal body (subconscious mind) every time we respond to the field with our actions. In this context, we can classify vasanas as ?positive? vasanas and ?negative? vasanas. Positive vasanas are the fructification of positive past actions. They are the ones conducive to spiritual growth and the development of purity of mind. Negative vasanas are the fructification of negative past actions. They prevent spiritual development. They are going to keep you stuck and guilty. But the good news is that however strong and deeply rooted a negative vasana may be, it can always be obstructed, reduced to a manageable proportion and, with the karma yoga spirit, gradually transformed into good, positive actions.

Positive actions are sattvic actions ? actions done with the spirit of contribution to the field. Your main motivation is to act in harmony with dharma, regardless of your self-centered desires, which are meant to be sacrificed on the altar of dharma. Sattvic actions aim first to fulfill the needs of the total, and your personal needs secondly. It is conducive to the development of good vasanas ? vasanas which will cause your rapid spiritual growth.

A rajasic action is the one aiming to fulfill one?s personal needs only. They are the ones producing rajasic vasanas, vasanas responsible for personal material gains. They are conducive to prosperity and the development of a positive self-image. They do not trouble the mind to the extent that one feels compelled to break the rules, to violate dharma. Pure rajasic vasanas do not produce spiritual advancement, but at least they do not bring you down; you remain stagnated, with neither growth nor decline.

A tamasic vasana is the real problem. It is conducive to tamasic actions ? actions that are not only self-centered but also in violation of dharma. People under the predominance of tamasic vasanas are usually lazy, but laziness does not entirely take care of nagging, binding desires. As a result, a tamasic person is inclined to do stupid things in order to get what it wants. Lazy people are not much inclined to do many actions, but those few actions tend to break the rules. They are usually not motivated enough to develop the necessary skills to play by the rules.

How to obstruct and transform those negative vasanas? A vasana is only a vasana in the causal body. Once it appears in the subtle body, it is a ?vritti,? a thought. You can only work on such vasanas in your conscious mind (subtle body). How? By (1) applying the opposite thought with reference to the vasana-thought; (2) denying its expression, mental, verbal and physical; (3) developing the religious attitude known as karma-dharma yoga.

Will power is very important at this level, but not enough. You need knowledge of the three bodies, the nature of desire, the nature of the field, the nature of objects, Isvara?s natural laws (dharma), etc. Knowledge, together with will power: this is the only way to burn away hardwired vasanas; and again, patience is a ?must? because binding negative vasanas are deeply rooted tendencies, habits ? they are developed in time, therefore they die in time too, and gradually.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« Last post by atmavichar100 on May 19, 2019, 07:11:27 PM »
अपारकरुणासिन्धुं ज्ञानदं शान्तरूपिणम्।
श्रीचन्द्रशेखरगुरुं प्रणमामि मुदान्वहम्।।
सदाशिवसमारम्भां शङ्कराचार्यमध्यमाम्।
अस्मदाचार्यपर्यन्तां वन्दे  गुरुपरम्पराम्।।

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 8 - Saint Manikkavachagar - Tiruvachakam
« Last post by Subramanian.R on May 19, 2019, 12:15:55 PM »
Verse  8:

கோலால மாகிக்
    குரைகடல்வாய் அன்றெழுந்த
ஆலாலம் உண்டான்
    அவன்சதுர்தான் என்னேடீ
ஆலாலம் உண்டிலனேல்
    அன்றயன்மால் உள்ளிட்ட
மேலாய தேவரெல்லாம்
    வீடுவர்காண் சாழலோ.

O friend,
that day,
He ate the Halaahalaa that arose with great din,
from the roaring sea.
Did He enact this,
His thaumaturgy?
Had He not eaten the Halaahalaa,
that very day,
All the great Devas,
among whom are included Brahma and Vishnu,
would have perished,
Chaazhalo !

Arunachala Siva.
General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 8 - Saint Manikkavachagar - Tiruvachakam
« Last post by Subramanian.R on May 19, 2019, 12:11:54 PM »
Verse  7:

மலைமகளை யொருபாகம்
    வைத்தலுமே மற்றொருத்தி
சலமுகத்தால் அவன்சடையிற்
    பாயுமது என்னேடீ
சலமுகத்தால் அவன்சடையிற்
    பாய்ந்திலளேல் தரணியெல்லாம்
பிலமுகத்தே புகப்பாய்ந்து
    பெருங்கேடாஞ் சாழலோ.

O friend,
He is concorporate with the daughter Of Himavant;
another woman,
in her form of flood,
Leaped onto His matted hair.
as flood,
she had not leaped onto His matted hair,
the whole world,
in utter ruination,
Would have got washed into the abyss,
Chaazhalo !

Arunachala Siva.
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Last post by atmavichar100 on May 19, 2019, 12:01:43 PM »
?Please do not build a stupa for me. Please do not put my ashes in a vase, lock me inside, and limit who I am. I know this will be difficult for some of you. If you must build a stupa though, please make sure that you put a sign on it that says, ?I am not in here.? In addition, you can also put another sign that says, ?I am not out there either,? and a third sign that says, ?If I am anywhere, it is in your mindful breathing and in your peaceful steps.?

Thich Nhat Hanh
Mrs. Dhar: I form part of the creation and so remain dependent. I cannot solve the riddle until I become independent. Yet I ask Sri Bhagavan, should He not answer the question for me?

Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharshi: Yes. It is Bhagavan that says, "Become independent and solve the riddle yourself. It is for you to do it." Again: where are you now that you ask this question? Are you in the world, or is the world within you? You must admit that the world is not perceived in your sleep although you cannot deny your existence then. The world appears when you wake up. So where is it? Clearly the world is your thought. Thoughts are your projections. The 'I' is first created and then the world. The world is created by the 'I' which in its turn rises up from the Self. The riddle of the creation of the world is thus solved if you solve the creation of the 'I'. So I say, find your Self.

Again, does the world come and ask you "Why do 'I' exist? How was 'I' created?" It is you who ask the question. The questioner must establish the relationship between the world and himself. He must admit that the world is his own imagination. Who imagines it? Let him again find the ?I? and then the Self.

Moreover, all the scientific and theological explanations do not harmonise. The diversities in such theories clearly show the uselessness of seeking such explanations. Such explanations are purely mental or intellectual and nothing more. Still, all of them are true according to the standpoint of the individual. There is no creation in the state of realisation. When one sees the world, one does not see oneself. When one sees the Self, the world is not seen. So see the Self and realise that there has been no creation.

The lady being laid up is unable to go to the hall and so feels unhappy that, though near, she cannot go into the hall. This was mentioned to Sri Bhagavan.

He (Sri Bhagwan) said, "Well, thinking like this keeps her always in the Presence. This is better than remaining in the hall and thinking of something else."

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 8 - Saint Manikkavachagar - Tiruvachakam
« Last post by Subramanian.R on May 19, 2019, 07:56:07 AM »
Verse  6:

அலரவனும் மாலவனும்
    அறியாமே அழலுருவாய்
நிலமுதற்கீழ் அண்டமுற
    நின்றதுதான் என்னேடீ
நிலமுதற்கீழ் அண்டமுற
    நின்றிலனேல் இருவருந்தம்
சலமுகத்தால் ஆங்காரந்
    தவிரார்காண் சாழலோ.

O friend,
wherefore did He stand as a column of flame extending from the nethermost world to the farthest heaven,
that neither Brahma ensconced on the Flower nor Vishnu could behold Him?
Had He not so stood from the nethermost world to the farthest heaven,
the two,
for ever contending,
Would not have shed their hauteur,
Chaazhalo !

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 8 - Saint Manikkavachagar - Tiruvachakam
« Last post by Subramanian.R on May 18, 2019, 05:04:43 PM »
Verse  5:

தக்கனையும் எச்சனையுந்
    தலையறுத்துத் தேவர்கணம்
தொக்கனவந் தவர்தம்மைத்
    தொலைத்ததுதான் என்னேடீ
தொக்கனவந் தவர்தம்மைத்
    தொலைத்தருளி அருள்கொடுத்தங்
கெச்சனுக்கு மிகைத்தலைமற்
    றருளினன்காண் சாழலோ.

O friend,
why did He decapitate Daksha and Yeccha and destroy the Devas who fore-gathered there?
He did away with them that gathered there.
He conferred on them grace and to the body, of Yeccha fixed a goat's head,
Chaazhalo !

Arunachala Siva.
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