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General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 17, 2019, 03:18:09 PM »

V. 1, Self-enquiry, Padamalai

V. 7, Self-enquiry, Padamalai

Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharshi:

"Actions such as 'going' and 'coming' belong only to the body. And so, when one says, 'I went, I came', it amounts to saying that the body is 'I'. But, can the body be said to be the consciousness 'I', since the body was not before it was born, is made up of the five elements, is nonexistent in the state of deep sleep, and becomes a corpse when dead? Can this body which is inert like a log of wood be said to shine as 'I-I'? Therefore, the 'I-consciousness' which at first arises in respect of the body is referred to variously as self-conceit (tarbodham), egoity (ahankara), nescience (avidya), maya, impurity (mala), and individual soul (jiva). Can we remain without enquiring into this? Is it not for our redemption through enquiry that all the scriptures declare that the destruction of 'self-conceit' is release (mukti)"

Therefore, leaving the corpse-like body as an actual corpse and remaining without even uttering 'I' by mouth, if one now keenly enquires, "What is it that rises as 'I'?, then in the Heart a certain soundless sphurana, 'I-I', will shine forth of its own accord. It is an awareness that is single and undivided, the thoughts which are many and divided having disappeared. If one remains still without leaving it, even the sphurana--having completely annihilated the sense of the individuality, the form of the ego, 'I am the body' will itself in the end subside, just like the camphor. This alone is said to be the liberation by great ones and Scriptures."
Source: Self-enquiry
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 16, 2019, 03:05:08 PM »

I once remember a Harijan lady who for the past twenty-five years was gathering honey to send to Sri Bhagavan. On every occasion she was unable to bring the honey herself and had to send it with someone. After waiting for twenty-five years, she finally found the opportunity to come. The poor lady was in tattered clothes, standing before Bhagavan. Her eyesight was poor and I still vividly recall the unusual way she looked at Sri Bhagavan, calling out "Oh Darling, where are you? I want to see you." Bhagavan in all his graciousness said, "Grandmother, look this way. I am here." Looking at the honey she had brought with her, he said to me, "They are Brahmins, they won't eat this. We will share it, and eat it."

It is often said, Bhagavan did not give direct Upadesa (spiritual teaching), but what else is all this? Although Bhagavan repeatedly pointed out human frailty, people were not prepared to rectify themselves. As if talking to himself, he looked at this poor old woman in ragged clothes and said, "Poor lady, she must be hungry. And where will she go for clothes? Who will offer her food and clothes?" Upon hearing this, Ondu Reddiyar got up and said, "We will give her food and also see that some clothes are purchased." Then Reddiyar took the woman to the Dining Hall and fed her sumptuously. He also sent someone to town to buy her a sari. As the old woman had no money, she had walked a great distance to come here. Bhagavan knowing this, said in an impersonal way, "Would anyone be interested in getting her a bus ticket?" Reddiyar again came forward and said, "We will provide her with a bus ticket and see her off." When this lady returned from the Dining Hall she was touching the ground, and then touching her eyes. That is a way of prostration and thanksgiving.

It is noteworthy that whenever the poor or untouchables came, Bhagavan took a very personal interest in them, which was a moving sight to see.
General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by Jewell on November 15, 2019, 04:05:49 PM »
This above is rather harsh claim about Robert. I don't know anything about him,but I enjoy reading his thoughts and benefited very much from these quotes. Or better to say,I found myself in many of them. I truly cannot understand how can someone claim something like this without proves. I hear about such claims for the first time. There is a saying: "Dead mouths don't speak",so claiming something like this now,is completely unnecessary.

Regarding Papaji,I love Papaji very much. I believe He was genuine. His words have some power to make impression on a listener,and I love His humor a lot. Regarding realisation,the list stops there,with Him,I am afraid. So,there are so many (modern day teachers) which should be more urgently addressed.
Whatever the case, when you write something like this (that Ramana Facebook group),give facts,and address someone while still capable of defending himself. But, honestly,I find this above statement about Robert,rather ridiculous.

With love,
General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 14, 2019, 11:06:02 PM »
You don't have to set aside a time for meditation. You can do it while you're driving your car, while you're at work, while you're playing music. Just be aware of yourself, of who you really are, and realize the rest is a projection of your mind. ~ Robert Adams
General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 14, 2019, 06:27:39 PM »
I just saw the above message from Ramana Hridayam FB Post which is also my main source for the Robert Adams quote .I am not must aware of  the so called current controversies about him .I have always loved his quotes and his book SILENCE FROM THE HEART and felt he resonated clearly Bhagavan's teachings and that's why sharing the same . Many people do not study PAPAJI because of his second Marriage etc etc but I was highly benefited by his books written by David Godman .
In the end all the pointers are directed towards the SELF . That is why I started a thread POINTERS TO PRESENCE which does not carry the author of those pointers and we just see whether those Pointers are useful and help us develop clarity without getting trapped about the authors who wrote it and their lifestyle etc etc .
Anyway I am not interested in digging more about Robert Adams and just shared his pointers as I felt they were useful and will do so if I come across such useful pointers .
General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by drsundaram on November 14, 2019, 05:53:27 PM »
i just read a msg from one ramana hrudayam from face book and i copy ad verbatim  as under
Although we like many of Robert's satsang texts we came to understand that his claim to have met Sri Ramana Maharshi is false; probably Robert was never in India and has fantasized his image for selfish reasons. He also has been a womanizer and many scandals have been known in the past.
We have collected evidence some of which can be found under the video of David Godman about Robert written in the comments by Steven Strouth. The email he associated with Katya Osborne was checked and Katya confirmed it to be hers. (There is one error in Steven Strouth's text: there was a hospital in Ramanashram in which Bhagavan was operated, and they have built a new dispensary during the last few years.)
We want to have examples of quotes from authentic and genuine teachers and sages on our page who were morally close to Bhagavan's example which is unsurpassed.
Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya,
Ramana Hridayam team"
i am perplexed highly about the contents as said above .
I have read  Robert's  "silence  of the heart" and also do read his sayings fervently
Am i in wrong side; but his words echo  Bhagavan's .
General topics / Re: Robert Adams Quotes and teachings
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 14, 2019, 03:23:16 PM »
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« Last post by atmavichar100 on November 13, 2019, 11:07:02 PM »
Tayumanuvar, a Tamil saint whom Bhagavan often quoted, wrote in one of his poems: 'My Guru merely told me that I am consciousness. Having heard this, I held onto consciousness. What he told me was just one sentence, but I cannot describe the bliss I attained from holding onto that one simple sentence. Through that one sentence I attained a peace and a happiness that can never be explained in words'.

Annamalai Swami
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mind doesn't cooperate
« Last post by Ravi.N on November 13, 2019, 10:21:07 PM »
One of the easiest and ever accessible 'holy company' or 'wise association' is reading books like 'Talks with Sri Ramana maharshi' 'Day by Day with Bhagavan' 'Letters from Sri Ramanasramam' 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna' ...doing parayana of the Hymns that Sri Bhagavan has composed on Arunachala like Akshara Mana malai...Listening to devotional songs and discourses...there is plenty of help and resource available...We need to avail of these resources and not restrict ourselves to 'our own ways' or 'our own sadhana'...It is better to recognize that we need help and take help like we do in other domains of living.
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