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General topics / Re: What is truth? Who can know?
« Last post by Jewell on Today at 01:41:20 AM »
Dear Shivam,

So many things You said right. Many times similar thoughts came to me, especially the part which is dealt with future realisation,future fulfillment,etc. If all the Great Sages said it is Here and Now,i simply want it now. Not tomorrow,not in some distant future,or other life,but NOW. After all,it is my birthright. And there is so much justice in these lines,i feel. If there is a need for this ego to go,than take it. I never wanted it,never chose it. So take it. Do not make me to give it,coz it does not want to be given,it is not in its nature. And i do not even know how. After all,it is His,so He is the only one to decide.
These were some of the thoughts through these few years.

There is a Truth much bigger than any theory,any school,any philosophy. Something that cannot even be imagined. All Sages spoken differently because,that same Truth was colored with a vessel,in one way,in other way,it is something for each of us,for all different temperaments, and they also dealt with different stages of progress. It had different shape only,but in essence it is the same,one and Only Truth. And what kind of Truth this is,if it can fit in any theory after all. We do need such Truth. It must be much glorious and greater than anything in this whole world.

So this is so true,what You have said: 'It is simply better & wise to just focus your energies in living well, loving people while you live here in this world.'
They did nothing else than that!
 And we need to be very careful with the term illusion. It only depends from which side some things are watched from. And this is only a word,it means nothing.

I assure you that you will attain nothing and you will realise that no attainment is required. -Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
And it is only because ego needs attainment.

But in order to live well we must have pure mind and pure heart. We must see beyond subjectivity. There is a stage when we mix dettachment with indifference. And it is not strange because it is very hard to make the difference in the beginning.. But this is only a stage,and this stage in many cases must be passed through.

Like Buddha said,doubt all,i also think this is a good thing in the search of Truth. Especially in these times of mass Spirituality literature and Gurus. It is a freedom after all,and Freedom IS the Truth. These Gurus which are online,which claim to be realised,which give lectures,are actually not realised. 98 percent of them are not genuine. So many are dangers along this path,all must be questioned indeed. That applies on genuine teachers as well. Question all.

But we must question ourselves too. That is most important part!!!

All the Sages never gave only promise! They lived their Truth,which can be seen from Their lives,and touched and transformed so many lives. That peace we all feel when we read Their words,the peace people feel in Ramanashram,the peace people felt in Bhagavn's,Maharaj's,Sri Ramakrishna's presence is real. It is not just a empty promise,and it never will be. How sadhana,Love and Faith have impact on our character,and lives as well,is proved to be very real.
They do not lure us,we come to them. Suffering made us all come,and suffering must be dealt with.
They also said :"Be compassionate, Do not do anything to the other,which You do not wish to be done to you,Be kind,Be loving,Love each other like Jesus said,Take away your pride,anger and greed. 

It is just our wrong understanding. Nothing more. We need a clear vision only,and beside outside,inner justice,which applies on ourselves as well.

In some light vain,all this search looks something like this.

True spirituality gives one thing for certain,and that is To see things as they truly are. What is that if not the Truth!?

With love,
General topics / What is truth? Who can know?
« Last post by Shivam on October 16, 2017, 11:16:20 PM »
There are so many theories, so many schools, so many siddhantas, all proclaiming to be the supreme, I feel no one has ever known the truth and can know it truly fully! I wonder, if truly there is some Truth afterall! Sometimes all spiritual quests, no matter what school you belong to, is just a futile exercise, simply a delusion, no matter how sincere one may be! It is simply loss of mental peace in quest or pursuit of some fantasy! It is nothing afterall! It is simply better & wise to just focus your energies in living well, loving people while you live here in this world. The promise by all spiritual schools that there is much more to life than the ordinary living of life (it in its full wisdom) is quite questionable and a promise, which is nothing more than just a belief or speculation!

I see that there is no bigger truth than the ordinary life and living. There is this body of ours with life, there is birth and there is death, there is this world and real too! The people around us are very real and loving them is very real and when they suffer, it does make us suffer as well! There is pain and pleasure, very real, unlike the spiritual schools which preach and lure you that there is no death no birth, that there is a soul, which you truly are, that there is a self brahman, etc., which needs to be realised etc., that the world is just an illusion - The dream which is sold that there is a realisation upon which you cam transcend all these realities is a dream worth only a dream, actually!

I do feel that one tends to get lost in such a pursuit. We need to be really careful and not take all the words of spirituality blindly no matter how great the source of those words may seem to be.
WHO (Sri K.Lakshamana Sarma):
"The Sage Himself gives us the essence of the teaching of the saints. He tells us that to attribute name and form to the Reality, thereby adding personality to It and making It into what we call God -- is quite proper and necessary as a means of mental purification. But He says also that any name and any form may be so attributed -- that it is narrowness to claim that a particular form is alone holy. And He reconciles this devotion with the foregoing teaching about the Quest and the Egoless State, by telling us that the goal of the devotee is the same as that of the seeker."

"It is said of devotion -- in the Gita, chapter IX -- that even men of evil life are benefited by it; they become good very soon and finally reach the State of unending Peace, the Egoless State. But as a general rule only men of pure mind and good conduct are drawn in devotion to God, because a certain degree of egolessness is implicit in devotion, and character is proportional to the degree of one's egolessness. Hence one should devote some attention to the improvement of character. This, of course, is necessary for all -- for seekers of the Self, as well as for devotees."
Source: Maha Yoga
Master (Sri Ramakrishna): Please sing a little.
Sri Narendra (Sri Vivekananda) sang:

Upon the sea of Blissful Awareness waves of ecstatic love arises:
Rapture divine! Play of God's Bliss!
Oh, how enthralling!
Wondrous waves of sweetness of God, ever new and ever
Rise on the surface, ever assuming
Forms ever fresh.
Then once more in the Great Communion all are merged, as the
barrier walls.
Of time and space dissolve and vanish:

Dance in delight, O mind!
Dance in delight with hands upraised, chanting Lord Hari's holy

As Sri Narendra sang the words, 'Then once more in the great Communion all are merged ', Sri Ramakrishna said to him, "One realizes this after attaining Knowledge of Brahman; then all is vidya, Brahman, as you said"
Source: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
In the course of a conversation Dr. Henry Hand asked Sri Bhagwan, "Are you conscious of a brotherhood of invisible rishis?"
Sri Bhagwan replied with a question, "If invisible, how to see them?"
Dr. Hand, "In consciousness".
Sri Bhagwan continued, "In consciousness there is nothing external."
Dr. Hand asked, "Is there not individuality? I fear to lose my individual being."
Sri Bhagwan, "Why fear to lose individuality? What is your state in dreamless sleep? Are you conscious of your individuality then?"
Dr. Hand, "It is possible."
Sri Bhagwan, "But what is your experience? If the individuality be there would it be asleep?"
Dr. Hand, "That depends on the interpretation. What does Maharshi say?"
Sri Bhagwan, "Maharshi does not speak for your experience. He does not force anything down your throat."
Dr. Hand, "I know. That is what I like so much about the Maharshi and his teachings."
Sri Bhagwan, "Do you not really take great care to get sound sleep? Do you not prepare your bed carefully? And are you not anxious to lose your individuality in deep steep? Then why fear it?"

Source: The Silent Power

Dear Devotees,

The Knowledge or Jnana does not mean knowledge of something outside oneself.  We must understand that the Knowledge of the Self does not and cannot belong to an individual or an individual-I as 'my' knowledge, that is, as objective knowledge. It is Pure Awareness, aware only of Itself. This is why Sri Bhagwan has taught that to know is to be. And therefore, our duty is only to be. Hence it is ridiculous to believe that Sages of yore can be found in Consciousness, for there is only one Consciousness and that is the Self-Consciousness. It will be contradiction in terms to believe that individual consciousness which is the reflected consciousness can be found and located in Chidakasa or One, i.e., Self-Consciousness. 

Dear devotees, why this overarching love and fascination for the individuality? Why? Because of love for the Self only. Is there any doubt that one loves oneself only? And there are not two selves. So, even while loving oneself, one loves the Self only. Fact is that the body-mind complex has arrogated the Self to itself and sees all other beings and objects different from itself and says 'I', and that is the birth of the individual. Rising of first person pronoun 'I' is the cause of rising of second and third person pronouns, such as, you, he, she, it, they, we, etc. 

However, having said this, I wish to say that fear of loss of individuality in an unprepared sadhaka is very real. Remember the case of the French officer who came to Sri Bhagwan and wanted no intellectual discussion with Him, but wished to be enlightened straightaway? He blurted out 'no, no!', and took to flight, as soon as Sri Bhagwan faced him and gazed into his eyes.

But we lose our individuality daily and are even anxious to lose it in sleep. An earnest sadhak, learning from the experiences of three states of waking, sleep and dream, and by having Faith in one's Guru, and practicing  His Teaching sincerely with perseverance, overcomes the fear of of losing anything, much less the false and illusory self, and thus prepares himself for the Quantum Leap into Immortality.

Thanks very much.
Jaise Til Mein Tel Hai, Jyon Chakmak Mein Aag
Tera Sayeen Tujh Mein Hai, Tu Jaag Sake To Jaag
Sri Kabir


Like the oil is inside the seed, just as the fire is inside the Flint Stone,

Your God is inside you; knowing this, if you can wake up, then wake up.

Dear Devotees,

It is a little intriguing that man easily understands that there is oil in the oilseed and fire in the wood, which are hidden; but does not understand that which is not all that hidden, that is, God is abiding in the hearts of all beings, causing them to turn around by His Power as if they were mounted on a machine! We do not understand that Lord is abiding in the hearts of all beings as the very Self, and that as creatures we are born in Him, sustained in Him and finally are resolved into Him, for, He is the beginning and the middle and the end of all beings. Other than Him all are fields, and He alone is the Knower of the field in all fields whatsoever. However, if we come to know all this through the holy utterances of the Guru, Sri Kabir beseeches, one must seek to wake up to the Reality within, for that alone is the purpose of life, and for which we, as creatures, are being projected again and again in a Leela called Divine Play. If we first wake up to the Reality within ourselves,then only we will be able be able to see all beings in ourselves(Self), and ourselves (Self) in all beings, and that is the end of the dream-like projection called world or samsara. Tera Sayeen Tujh Mein Hai, Tu Jaag Sake To Jaag !!

Thanks very much.
General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« Last post by Subramanian.R on October 16, 2017, 10:11:13 AM »
Tiru Valanchuzhi:

Verse  1:

பள்ளம தாய படர்சடைமேற் பயிலுந் திரைக்கங்கை
வெள்ளம தார விரும்பிநின்ற விகிர்தன் விடையேறும்
வள்ளல் வலஞ்சுழி வாணனென்று மருவி நினைந்தேத்தி
உள்ள முருக வுணருமின்க ளுறுநோ யடையாவே.

Siva, different from the world who stood desiring the floods of Ganga with many waves to stay always in the hollow of his spreading matted locks.  Siva of unbounded liberality who rides on a bull, saying that he dwells in Valanchuzhi. Realize him reaching that place, thinking of him, praising him to make your hearts melt out of piety, great diseases will not reach you.

Arunachala Siva.
General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« Last post by Subramanian.R on October 16, 2017, 10:07:00 AM »
Verse  11:

ஆழியு ணஞ்சமு தாரவுண்டன் றமரர்க் கமுதுண்ண
ஊழிதொறும்முள ராவளித்தா னுலகத் துயர்கின்ற
காழியுண் ஞானசம் பந்தன்சொன்ன தமிழாற் கலிக்காமூர்
வாழி யெம்மானை வணங்கியேத்த மருவா பிணிதானே.

Having drunk on that day the poison that rose in the ocean as nectar, on him who gave the immortals a long life to live in every age as they partook of nectar. With the Tamizh verses sung by Jnana Sambandhan of Sirkazhi, which is pre-eminent in this world, diseases will not go near them if people bow to our Lord and praise him, in Kalikkāmūr.

Padigam on Tiruk Kalikkamur completed.

Arunachala Siva.

General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« Last post by Subramanian.R on October 16, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »
Verse 10:

மாசு பிறக்கிய மேனியாரு மருவுந் துவராடை
மீசு பிறக்கிய மெய்யினாரு மறியா ரவர்தோற்றங்
காசினி நீர்த்திரண் மண்டியெங்கும் வளமார் கலிக்காமூர்
ஈசனை யெந்தை பிரானையேத்தி நினைவார் வினைபோமே.

Those who have abundant dirt on their bodies, Jains those who cover their bodies with shining robes soaked in myrtle dye do not know his real nature, in Kalikkāmūr where every place is full of fertility as floods are moving swiftly, the actions of those who praise and fix their thoughts on the master who is also our father and Lord, will leave them of their own accord.

Arunachala Siva.
General topics / Re: Saiva Canon 1 - Tiru Jnana Sambandhar.
« Last post by Subramanian.R on October 16, 2017, 09:58:54 AM »
Verse  9:

அருவரை யேந்திய மாலுமற்றை யலர்மே லுறைவானும்
இருவரு மஞ்ச வெரியுருவா யெழுந்தான் கலிக்காமூர்
ஒருவரை யான்மகள் பாகன்றன்னை யுணர்வாற் றொழுதேத்தத்
திருமரு வுஞ்சிதை வில்லைச்செம்மைத் தேசுண் டவர்பாலே.

Vishnu who held up as an umbrella the pre-eminent mountain Gōvardhanam and the other one who resides on a lotus flower, in Kalikkāmūr where the god who rose as a column of fire for both of them to be afraid of. If one worships and praises with consciousness the god who has on his half the daughter of the mountain which has no equal, wealth will come to him. It will not perish. There will be spotless luster on their bodies.

Arunachala Siva.
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