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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 06:24:04 PM »

“In time the mind itself becomes the Guru. To pray to God and meditate
on Him for two minutes with full concentration is better than doing so for
long hours without it.”


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 03, 2013, 04:24:48 PM »
Stray thoughts...

The benchmark of progress for ourselves can be easily determined by our reactions, the presence of of

1. kama — lust
2. krodha — anger
3. lobh — greed
4. moha — delusory emotional attachment
5. mada or ahankara — pride, hubris
6. matsarya — envy, jealou

We all may be decorated with various flowery knowledge, but when instigated, then is the real test of solvency, how easily we get affected shows to us the extent of erasement of the ego-mind.


"The one who begins the inquiry will not finish the inquiry, but will be finished by the inquiry."

how wonderfully true, i'd rather not take the name of the quoted :) it may not be allowed :D

It is same with Surrender, True Surrender happens just once and one is finished with it. all our surrenders are merely going to jail and coming back with bail :D

True Self Enquiry is to happen just once! other wise, we may keep doing Self Enquiry for life! :D and be happy with it!!

just in a lighter vein :)


Dear Sri cefnbrithdir, Sri Anil ji and Friends

A difference in line of thought occurred when i happen to come across line of thoughts such as Holding on to the 'I' which as i responded back then, expressing myself that this according to my humble understanding was not the Self Enquiry as taught by Bhagavan, but yes, this holding on to the 'I' does help to keep the other thoughts from sprouting and so on.

Keeping this on hand, holding on to 'I' does not comprise atleast a complete Self Enquiry. Self Enquiry as i have understood is a step further, demands a complete attention on the very source, the source, the absolute, and this attention is most dynamic and absolutely is an intense, intense tapas.

Keeping these factors on hand, we may tend to just continue with simply holding on to the 'I' feeling alone and cease from continuing the real Self Enquiry that results in Self Extinction, the death of Ego.

What we are doing is we are doing our roles in our stations of life effectively keeping the attention on the 'I', ie being aware, but this is not the end. This is merely to remain unclutched, and to remain in contact with the Self, but the extinction of ego is not allowed to occur because it requires diverting the attention to the source, and unless this is carried out, the auxiliaries may be necessary as the case may be, to each one in his own way. Therefore i humbly feel, it would be daring to stake claim that one is doing absolute Self Enquiry actually.

I believe that holding on to the 'I' feeling does not constitute Self Enquiry, however it is just an aid to sticking around!!

Thanks so much


Dear Jyoti and Friends,

It is my firm belief that a disciple is born along with a Guru. They both Guru and Student are always together, never is there a time when they are separate.

The very moment a thirst occurred for the divinity, a student takes birth along with the Guru. There is no question of Genuine or Fake, infact, if it is ordained that one has to go and learn from a self defined 'fake' Guru', so be it, it also becomes a Guru. A True Guru never abandons the disciple, as He cannot really. This is actually a marriage when the Spiritual thirst first took place. A divorce also cannot separate this Bond.

Can a Student go astray? Is it even possible? This very thought is a great hindrance. There is a saying which goes thus - when the student is ready the Guru arrives. How can we say any Guru is genuine or fake? How can we evaluate a Guru? This itself is hindrance in first place.

Here is another line of thought, suppose one is under a genuine Guru, take Bhagavan himself, suppose the student is not ready as we may say, then there is a possibility that this student may still go astray even with Bhagavan as his Guru, is it not possible? taking eratic steps and so on. But i say, even this going astray is also part of the lesson, the Original Guru teaches the disciple who was born along with the student.


Dear Jyoti,

What you have said is quite true.Wish to add that if we are in Right Earnest,we will automatically be away from so called Fake ones.Even if we encounter one,we will go our way untouched.The Onus is on us.

Only problem is when you don't realize that your "Guru" is a fake.
I often read about people following someone they believe to be genuine for years before they find out the truth.
Better follow a death Guru who is genuine than running after someone who is alive but a fake.
True Guru does not die.

Would it not be enough if you (the disciple is) are not fake? No fakes can over turn you then. Is it not so? :)

I share a story:

The duty of a farmer’s daughter was to carry fresh milk to customers in various villages, one of whom was a priest. To reach his house, the milkmaid had to cross a good-sized stream. People crossed it by a sort of ferry raft, for a small fee.

One day the priest scolded the poor woman as she arrived late with the milk which the priest used it daily as “Offering” to God. ”What can I do?” she said, “I start out early from my house, but I have to wait a long time for the boatman to come.”

Then the priest said (pretending to be serious), “You know! People have even walked across the ocean by repeating the names of God, and you can’t cross this little river?” This milkmaid took him very seriously. From then on she brought the priest’s milk punctually every morning. He became curious about it and asked how she was never late anymore.

“I cross the river repeating the name of the Lord,” she replied, “just as you told me to do, without waiting for the ferry.” The priest didn’t believe her, and asked, “Can you show me, how you cross the river on foot once ?” So they went together to the water and the milkmaid began to walk over it. Looking back, the woman saw that the priest had started to follow her and was drowning in the water.

“Sir!” she cried, “Though you are uttering the name of God, yet all the while you are holding up your clothes from getting wet. That is not trusting in God completely!”


General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:36:32 PM »

“Whatever you yearn for, that you will get”


General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:33:04 PM »
Devotee: “Man cannot do anything by his individual effort. God is doing
everything through him.”

Mother: “Yes, that is true. But is one conscious of this always? Blinded by
egoism, people think themselves to be independent agents in regard to
action. They do not depend on God. He protects one who relies on Him.”

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:29:42 PM »

“I can’t contain myself when one draws
near me and calls me Mother."


General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:19:58 PM »
A college student used to visit Mother’s place quite frequently. One day while taking leave of her he suddenly said, `Mother I am no good for this place, I am unfit to come to you. I am saying goodbye forever. He quickly left the house.

Mother ran after him, caught his shirt, and pulling him toward her she put her hands on his shoulders. Looking at him eye  to eye she said in a firm voice, “Whenever any disturbing thought comes to your mind, think of me. Don’t worry!” With those words she let him go. While going home the boy repeated Mother’s words over and over again: “Think of me; think of me; think of me.” He couldn’t forget those two beautiful compassionate eyes of the Mother. Constantly he thought of those eyes of the Mother and those words, “Think of me.”*
*He became a monk later on and led a very exemplary life. He narrated this incident to a brother monk who is presently a senior member of the Ramakrishna Order.


General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:15:51 PM »
Disciple: “Mother, you have hundreds of children, and I am only one of
them. But to me you are my only mother. Bless me so that I may be a worthy
child of yours.”

Mother: “Well my child, surely the Master will look after you. It is for your
good that he has brought you here. Always think of the Master as your own.
Think of me as your own mother and depend on us in all matters.

General Discussion / Re: The Gospel of Strength
« on: September 03, 2013, 12:12:20 PM »
"The theme of the Vedanta is to see the Lord in everything,
to see things in their real nature, not as they appear to be."

Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: September 03, 2013, 08:05:03 AM »
Absolute Classic!!!

An inspirational speaker said:
“The Best years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman, who wasn’t my wife.” 

Audience were in shock and silence.

He added: “She was my mother”

A big round of applause & laughter followed!
A very daring husband tried to crack this at home.

After  dinner, he said loudly to his wife in the kitchen:

“The Best years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman, who wasn’t my wife”

Standing for a moment, he tried to recall the second line of that inspirational speaker.

By the time he gained his senses, he was on a hospital bed, recovering from burns of boiling water!


Unless intellectually known, how to practice it? Learn it intellectually first, then do not stop with that. Practise it. Maharshi then made certain remarks: “When you adhere to one philosophical system (siddhanta) you are obliged to condemn the others. That is the case with the heads of monasteries (matadhipatis)”.

All people cannot be expected to do the same kind of action. Each one acts according to his temperament and past lives. Wisdom, Devotion, Action (jnana, bhakti, karma) are all interlocked. Meditation on forms is according to one’s own mind. It is meant for ridding oneself of other forms and confining oneself to one form. It leads to the goal. It is impossible to fix the mind in the Heart to start with. So these aids are necessary. Krishna says that there is no birth (janma) to you, me, etc., and later says he was born before Aditya, etc. Arjuna  disputes it. Therefore it is certain that each one thinks of God according to his own degree of advancement.

You say you are the body in wakeful state; not the body in sleep. Bodies being several-fold for an individual, should not there be infinite capacities for God? Whichever method one follows, that method is encouraged by the Sages. For it leads to the goal like any other method.


General Discussion / Re: Shirdi Sai Baba Teachings & Assurances
« on: September 02, 2013, 06:32:24 PM »
All are agreed on the annihilation of the ego. Let us get to business
on the agreed point. Nanajivatva (different individualities) are
mentioned by some Advaitins also. All that is immaterial to one’s
spiritual uplift. First realise the Self and then see what lies further.



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