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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 08, 2013, 08:33:52 AM »
i never really thought i may have to express this, it feels ridiculous but still it is being extracted, on account of views such as abandoning Self Enquiry, 3 differnet Gurus in the forms of Ramakrishna Ramana and Shirdi Sai Baba, obsessions, etc. If i go to say there are said to be 33 (3.3 million) crores of Gods in Hindu way. They are all my Gods. All the millions of Gurus are my Guru. This is Guru Paramapara. Begining from Vishnu -

Om Narayanam padmabhavam Vasishtam,
Shakthim , cha thath puthra parasaram cha.
Vyasam shukam gowdapatham mahantham,
Govinda yogeendra madhasya sishyam.
Sri Shankaracharya madhasya  padma padam cha,
Hasthamalakam cha sishyam,
Tham thotakam varthika kara manyan,
Asmad guroon santhatham manathosmi.                           
Om my salutations to Lord Narayana,
His disciple Padhma bhava, His disciple Vasishta,
His disciple Shakthi  , his son sage Parasara,
His son Vyasa, his son Shukha, his disciple the great Padmapada,
His disciple the great Yogi Govinda, His disciple Shankara,
His disciples Padma pada, Hasthamalaka , Thodagascharya,
And Sureswaracharya who wrote commentaries.

and the successive Gurus that have fo9llowed, they are all my Gurus. This is the vneration of Guru Parampara. Ramana Ramakrishna Shirdi Sai Baba Shankaracharyas, many others are all the same Guru.

For all the views that i have expressed, i practice only Self Enquiry un-intermittently. For all the Gurus that i have refered to, i only see the Ramanatvam. i belong to all schools of thoughts, all siddhantas. mentally i do nothing other than Self Enquiry. Yet i worship, i do service, i am being made to do everything. I see dvaita visidhtadvaita advaita shunya, and see no difference in all of them. yet i only do self inquiry alone un-intermittently at all times. I feel privileged, blessed to experience everything without being corrupt or narrowed to just "only"

He abandoned the greatness of his own state
To save his disciple,
Yet his true greatness has never been
Alone, there is no happiness;
Therefore, the pure Consciousness
Assumes the forms of Guru and disciple.

Although the guru and disciple appear to be two,
It is the Guru alone who masquerades as both

The words, “Guru” and “disciple”
Refer to but one;
The Guru alone exists as both these forms.

The words, “Guru” and “disciple”
Refer to but one;
The Guru alone exists as both these forms.

The Guru is both the receiver of knowledge
And the one who imparts it as well.
Still, he continues to uphold the relationship of Master and disciple.

Those who see this as some obsession are i am afraid still caught in the nets of duality, yet caught in some illusive non-duality, those who think these all means one has abandoned Self Enquiry are yet still caught in varieties!

A part of this post is a response to some members concerned, i do not deny. But i respond to myself of those views!

Thanks and Best to all!

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 07:19:52 PM »
Stray thoughts...

Talking about fake Gurus that are mushrooming, i feel more fake Gurus mushroom' within than we seem to come across outside!

Disclaimer: Just talking about the ego, (not any body)


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:45:30 PM »
Hari, Friends,

Take for instance V Ganesan, Bhagavan's grand nephew, such an exalted soul himself had the need to go to Nisargadatta Maharaj, Mataji Krishnabai . What need was it for him? did he not know that Guru is Self? He had since his childhood days was nurtured by Kunju Swami and so many direct devotees, he had access to all direct devotees.

Our mind gets narrowed if we are within the four walls. I remember the story of Frogs as told by Swami Vivekananda, from the upanishad:

In the story he told, a frog used to live in a well. It was born there and brought up there and it used to think his well was the biggest waterland of the world. One day, a frog from a sea came to that well. When the frog from the sea told the frog of the well that sea is much much bigger than that well, the frog of the well did not believe it and drove the frog of the sea away from his well. Vivekananda concluded– "That has been the difficulty all the while. I am a Hindu. I am sitting in my own little well and thinking that the whole world is my little well. The Christian sits in his little well and thinks the whole world is his well. The Mohammedan sits in his little well and thinks that is the whole world."

Mataji Krishnabai  to Sri V Ganesan:

"Another important hurdle is that since you are related to Ramana Maharshi, everybody will tell you and treat you like you are already liberated. They will tell you that according to the Hindu scriptures, a realized Master‘s relatives are already realized beings. Seven generations preceding and the subsequent seven generations are supposedly free of karma. "

Further readings:


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:39:15 PM »
Moreover Hari Friends,

it is not that one who looks for a living Guru, is not aware of the limitation of his body! One knows the body will pass away.

In Such a case, All the direct devotees of Bhagavan or Master were very short sightedly, as they surrendered to a Living Guru!



General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:35:35 PM »
Stray thoughts...

So long one feels "This" only is highest truth, "That" is also there, still!


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »
I have just confirmed what you have said. I did not argue with you. :)

yes yes, :) i did not refer to you.. i was just expressing, that i have always aspired to bring this middle cognition in my expressions all along!

A kind of strong holding onto or latching on to ones own truth is unhealthy. We need to discern that there are millions of ways, and the God or Self may do Its own bidding in mysterious ways. A kind of "seeing down upon" short-sightedly attitude is often seen upon other schools.

Such ones who are expected to see Guru in everything, are unable to see Guru in Living Flesh, how short-sightedly it could get?

This is just a positive criticism. A person who has surrendered to Formless Guru must be willing to face hard truths, and they will be thrust upon in any manner! They must be prepared for it!


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 06:20:35 PM »
i have not denied it Hari? Have i? what I have been stressing is, both are true. If one says, its undoing or lack of knowledge if one looks for a living Guru then it is discerned that it is no so. and if one says only living Guru would save us, then it is discerned that it is not so.

Could it not be either?

What is living or dead? are they not in our minds? A Guru is Guru! Some feel Gurus presence in books, some in Ashram, Some here some there, some within, some without. what matters how it is? why get into polemics, this is lesser that is great.

To each, each way!

God fulfills himself in many ways Lest one good custom should corrupt the world. - Tennyson


Dear Sri Anil ji, Jewel Ji, Friends


Thats where all problems begin is it not: :D

Is he the Self, Is he different from us, is he reached by devotion or jnana or something else? duality non-duality etc...

yea Hari, its true... but even this also is true. Whats life if there is no difference? whats white if there is no black! what is peace if there is no disturbance!

All are part of the whole plan! we fight with our brothers, it doesn't mean we dont love each other. we beat, argue, fight, still we love.

Please dont deny the right to fight! this also is fun!


It is very easy to say, “Hate nobody, resist not
evil,” but we know what that kind of thing
generally means in practice. When the eyes of
society are turned towards us, we may make a
show of non-resistance, but in our hearts it is
canker all the time….. This is hypocrisy and will
serve no purpose.

(Swami Vivekananda)

Sri Anil Ji,

i least expected this of you!

Dear Sri Anil and Sri Nagaraj

GVK 723 is being quoted and then GVK 722 but you could easily start from say GVK 712 and just read on....

As GVK's authority comes from the fact  that Bhagavan himself checked and occassionally revised and added to this work, we can surely be confident that the truth is there in its wholeness and wholeness cannot easily be divided without creating duality in the mind.  Just a thought !

May "mauna" be the bridge that helps here

" Since only mauna, the swarupa that shines through the pure mind, abides as the final doorway to liberation, whichever of the accepted paths a person may hold onto and advance along, that doorway (mauna) alone is the ultimate entry point and refuge"

GVK 1185.

Dear Sri cefnbrithdir,

I am afraid :)


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 04:26:49 PM »
Stray thoughts..

It does not mean, that one who feels a want for a living Guru, does not feel the presence of some Guru who has left his mortal coils! Infact, the That Guru manifests yet again as a Living Guru for the sake of the devotee just out of Love!


HENCE,   THE   QUESTION   OF   QUESTIONING   HIS   CONTINUED   PRESENCE   DOES   NOT   ARISE   IN  THE   LEAST.  If somebody questions, it is simply undesirable and unwarranted and  it is his own undoing.    

Dear Sri Anil ji,

i see it quite clearly that this post of yours is rather a response to my musing, i wish to make it clear that my musings are a general are for my own self in my own journey. i felt it was rather unwarranted your above observation! what i expressed are rather simply devoid of any mischief.. and i was not even thinking about you or your views! You may respond to me directly, instead of posting behind curtains!

It is not for us to decide if somebody has to be forced with throat caught on hand to feel the continued presence of some Guru! IT does not mean, that one who feels a want for a living Guru, does not feel the presence of some Guru! It is quite evident how much such a person is a slave of 'knowledge'

As said earlier, this is simply rebelling with ones self! sheer politics is this response!

Wish you the very best Sri Anil Ji! Thanks so much!


General Discussion / Re: Shirdi Sai Baba Teachings & Assurances
« on: September 07, 2013, 11:44:42 AM »

Hemadpant describes the Sansara (visible world) by the allegory of Ashvattha (Banyan) tree, which has in the phraseology of the Gita, roots above and branches below. Its branches are spread downward and upwards, and are nourished by the Gunas (qualities), and its sprouts are the objects of the senses. Its roots, leading to actions are extended downwards to this world of men. Its form cannot be known in this world, nor its end, its beginning, nor its support. After cutting this Ashvattha tree of strong roots with the sharp weapon of non-attachment one should seek the path beyond, treading which there is no return.

For traversing this path, the help of a good guide (Guru) is absolutely necessary. However learned a man may be, or however deep his study of Veda and Vedant (sacred literature) may be, he cannot reach his destination safely. If the guide be there to help him and show him the right way, he would avoid the pitfalls, and the wild beasts on the journey move aside.

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 07, 2013, 11:29:53 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Excepting rarest of rare cases, it is essential to surrender to a living guru in flesh and blood, serve him, be with him, interact with him - this is the way to get ourselves purified! We cannot be our own Guru, our intelligence is limited. Yes Bhagavan has said Self is Guru, but, even Muruganar, who was so humble had to be near the Guru, even M had to be near his Master. We ought to know where we are. Mere knowledge gained through books and hearsay will not be enough to efface the ego. Ego is subtlest of the subtlest!

PS: Again a living Guru in flesh and blood need not just be somebody in just a loin cloth or dressed in an orange garb!


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