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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 03, 2016, 03:11:24 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

Below is an excellent Anugraha Bhashanam by HH Bharati Tirtha. What i quite wished to convey.


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 03, 2016, 01:49:36 PM »
Just to add that 'sages' have to be people like you and me....why we should wait for some 'saviour' to come down?....Ha,ha.
All great sages say only this....that we have to manifest the divinity within.

Absolutely, this is exactly what i meant right from the start! If there was some great being to come down then why would we worry and there would be no need to rise a topic regarding this. The real worry is we all need to be awakened and recognise the true spirit.

by one candle multiple candles can be lit.

Thanks so much


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 03, 2016, 01:07:37 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi, Sri Jewel,

I more or less have no disagreements with what what you have stated. Yes I am aware of this theory (or fact or belief) that whole world was once one land of Aryavarta. Infact I have this book by Kanchi Mahaswami.

But even by the times of Ramayana, the country was limited to Himalayas to Kumari. We see in Mahabharata when Yudhishtira performed the Ashwamedha Yajna, he was told to go as far as Himalayas, beyond which the Chin country is present. Even in Ramayana, I think in Kishkindha Kanda, the entire country's geographical areas and places are mentioned. which is predominantly the one that exists now. At the maximum, it would have included the Pakistan Afghanistan iran and nearby places and little bit of the north extending to Myanmar Thailand Indonesia singapore and so o, down to Kanyakumari.

New discoveries theories are being unravelled that there existed once Kumari Kandam beyond the Kanyakumari, a huge mass of land as big as half of our country. speclation are on that this was the original Madurai and the early tamil sangams were held here.

Also even in Puranas such as the Srimad Bhagavatam, Vayu Purana and Vishnu Purana the geographical area where The successors of Bharata existed is mentioned very vividly.

Soon, if we do not wake up, it will further shrink.

All this is just Bhavana, so hope you all do take these thoughts in its spirit.

Yes, there is job needs to be done. It is no good if the great words of Vivekananda remain in the books, or the words of great Seers remain in the books.

True  on the follwowing -

Those of you who think that the Hindus have been always confined within the four walls of their country through all ages, are entirely mistaken; you have not studied the old books, you have not studied the history of the race aright if you think so.

God forbid, one day in some future some child lest study that once this great country had the great religion that was Hindu, the vedas.

We have families already say, that your grand father was great man, you are from a great family...

I know everything will fall in place. It is just a matter of time as Krishna has promised so in the Gita, We will always have Sages at all times to come down to revive our Holy Land. Land is the people of the land. not just the land.

If these things make us think a little, that would be enough, it would bring so many goods.

Thanks so much friends for all your valuable thoughts.


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 03, 2016, 11:36:57 AM »
Once there was a sadhu, a renunciant living on the banks of a river, performing his sadhana with great piety and determination.

One day as the holy man went for his bath in the river, he noticed a scorpion struggling in the water. Scorpions, by nature, cannot swim and the sadhu knew that if he did not save the scorpion, it would drown. Therefore, carefully picking up the scorpion, the saint lifted it out of the waters and was just about to set it down gently on the land when the scorpion stung his finger. In pain, the sadhu instinctively flung his hand and the scorpion went flying, back into the river. As soon as the sadhu regained his composure from the sting, he again lifted the scorpion out of the water. Again, before he could set the scorpion safely on land, the creature stung him. Again, as the sadhu shook his hand in response to the pain, the scorpion fell back into the water. This exchange went on for several minutes as the holy man continued to try to save the life of the drowning scorpion and the scorpion continued to sting his savior?s hand before reaching the freedom of the river bank.

A man, who had been out hunting in the forest, noticed this interaction between the holy man and the scorpion. He watched as the saint carefully and gingerly lifted the creature out of the water, only to fling it back in as his hand convulsed in pain from each fresh sting. Finally, the hunter said to the sadhu, ?Revered Swamiji, forgive me for my frankness, but it is clear that the scorpion is simply going to continue to sting you each and every time you try to carry it to safety. Why don?t you give up and just let it drown??

The holy man replied, ?My dear child, the scorpion is not stinging me out of malice or evil intent. It is simply his nature to sting. Just as it is the water?s nature to make me wet, so it is the scorpion?s nature to sting in order to protect himself. He doesn?t realize that I am carrying him to safety. That is a level of conscious comprehension greater than what his brain can achieve. But, just as it is the scorpion?s nature to sting, so it is my nature to save. Just as he is not leaving his nature, why should I leave my nature? My dharma is to help any creature of any kind ? human or animal. Why should I let a small scorpion rob me of the divine nature which I have cultivated through years of sadhana??

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 03, 2016, 11:16:39 AM »
Dear friends, i just don't have so much energy to debate or discuss over this topic, while there are so much in my heart to lay out my thoughts, but it is just so tiring in the end to do so! There are different people assigned with different tasks. Mine is limited to my Swadharma. May the great souls who are working towards this great ideal be blessed and be motivated and inspired by the grace of our Mother.

I am proud of of my country, and so should others be proud of their country and their legacies. Each are unique and it is to be like this. I have never talked about superiority or inequality at all. By saying My country great i do not mean its superiority to others. But alas, She is trampled and crushed. I wonder to how many when they listen or sing our National anthem the hair stands up!

The more therefore, the Hindus study the past, the more glorious will be their future, and whoever tries to bring the past to the door of everyone, is a great benefator to his nation. The degeneration of India came not because the laws and customs of the ancients were bad, but because they were not allowed to be carried to their legitimate conclusions.

The past is forgotten. Why the past? people even dont remember or even feel what has gone through to even to have got our freedom just about 60 years back!

The fact of the matter is that only at the Soul level there can be equality, in all other aspects, equality is a myth! And this is not a narrow minded observation. The scriptures in the hands of our Mother recognized this quite as a matter of fact of creation of almighty. Its quite practical that we have or i say we had the Varnashramas We had the Kshatriyas who were dedicated tin the protection of Dharma of the Land. I am well aware of our times. I do not expect just dumb laws are implemented forcefully or something. But the Mother that i see of my country, Her honour, her decoration is the very essence of Vedas has to be restored at any cost. When I say Her Honour, her decoration, etc, i mean the very nation as seen by our ancient Rishis. For what ever reasons, our seers of ancient times lived in this country alone predominantly never moved out of the waters. This is Aryavarta. This is our identity. I believe in this words of Swami Vivekananda:

Each nation has a theme; everything else is secondary. India's theme is religion. Social reform and everything else are secondary.

Swami has elsewhere said this:

Finding of unity in variety is really what we call knowledge

And our Mother has given us this knowledge i her own pristine. We do not need a new gospel to preach us this truth that has always existed. Like we do not need new temples, it is enough if we can fix what is already existing.

Talking about rituals, in context to the example provided by Sri Jewel, the wonderful aspect of such ritual is that it provides us an opportunity to undo what is undone earlier. To come to peace. None of us are saints, and so do saints themselves do not think themselves as saints. Let us not be judgemental. We have similar things here in our country as well. I am sure in all houses there are such examples. The very aspect that he is doing it is wonderful thing isn't it?

We cant criticize the aspect of doing the ritual by a one who has not done the rightful while the dead were alive. If we look, even we can never claim to be living perfectly. The very purpose of rituals is this! Prayaschittam It is a gateway to come to peace with ourselves long after it is not possible to do something!

I am only much able to share these links below:


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2016, 11:34:32 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

I agree with the thoughts of Swami in spirit that we bury our past and stop the blaming the others for the state of affairs and that we get up on our own foot and stand strong and do the best, yet, I am remembered this anecdote and the associated quote by Swami which is in a close context to the topic under discussion:

"This world is like a dog's curly tail, and people have been striving to straighten it out for hundreds of years; but when they let it go, it has curled up again. How could it be otherwise?"

What just remains is a sense of empathy, our helplessness before the ways of the almighty! We have this liberty to just feel sad for the evils of the world, just you know, shed a tear of two upon the plight of the sufferings of the suffers especially those that cannot speak like us. What is worst of all, is if some such great sufferings remains unknown to others! At least when we drink our daily cup of milk of coffee, we should remember a moment or two about the Cow that has given us milk at that moment, what could She be going through.

But Sri Ravi, No logic goes with the Mother and Cow! Sometimes even a good Rational diminishes before something that is a Mother(includes Cow)

The only way ahead is to mutually enlighten each other. This much goodwill should prevail. This thought that I am holier than Thou has to be killed, this is the worst evil that needs to end.

On the contrary to the thought that "the Nationalism of the Great sages like Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo is not that of the usual ,narrow,sectarian ,political kind.....India and sanatana Dharma are not just piece of Geographical Land and its cultural possessions...these represent the Eternal spirit that is essential  to the whole world and humanity at large."

I believe and do not see a possibility of that kind of nationalism which can represent the whole world and humanity at large. This is a noble ideal but I feel that this is not the way God has planned really, there is no possibility for this noble ideal to shine, we may hope and pray however!

There is a reason why there are differences. The differences are appreciated. Each land is made differently. In South India we are rice eaters, in the north they are wheat eaters. In the west meat eating is quite natural as there are geographical and weather compulsions.

This is much more than patriotism. We would expect atleast in our country we could maintain the best practices of the Rishis.

You cant take this away from Human. Each would want to preserve his legacy. We see each states in our country. In this spirit, I would like to see our country shine in the spirit that her sanctity is preserved as it was in the past.

Only for a one who is Sarva Sanga Parityagi, the whole world is the same.

How would it possible for the lesser evolved, who is not yet a Sarva Sanga Parityagi, to accept the whole world as one. It is finally narrowed down from the Whole world to ones own country to ones own state to ones own family and finally to ones own self.

I know my expressions are flawed and not in sequence. But This is the India seen by our Rishis, no matter what our country should take pride and preserve her legacy.

There is difference between the Ganga and the Nile! There is a spirit in the rituals. I can never wear a shoe and enter a shrine for a prayer. So many such things are so unique to our country. Sri Ravi, i too have lived in a foreign country for some time during my past working days, but i missed the filthy Coovam smell as well, there is some thing in this mud of our great country that i did not find any where. Each bit of the mud and sand has something in it, it is Veda. Had I seen Ramana in a foreign country as well I would have still come back to this country. This Land is not just a land, this land is much more than that. This land is graces by Sages our ancestors.

My heart shouts, If not in our country where? only in the Truth, then!


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2016, 09:35:21 PM »
ॐ द्यौः शान्तिरन्तरिक्षं शान्तिः
पृथिवी शान्तिरापः शान्तिरोषधयः शान्तिः ।
वनस्पतयः शान्तिर्विश्वेदेवाः शान्तिर्ब्रह्म शान्तिः
सर्वं शान्तिः शान्तिरेव शान्तिः सा मा शान्तिरेधि ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥

Om Dyauh Shaantir-Antarikssam Shaantih
Prthivii Shaantir-Aapah Shaantir-Ossadhayah Shaantih |
Vanaspatayah Shaantir-Vishve-Devaah Shaantir-Brahma Shaantih
Sarvam Shaantih Shaantireva Shaantih Saa Maa Shaantir-Edhi |
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

1: Om, May there be Peace in Heaven, May there be Peace in the Sky,
2: May there be Peace in the Earth, May there be Peace in the Water, May there be Peace in the Plants,
3: May there be Peace in the Trees, May there be Peace in the Gods in the various Worlds, May there be Peace in Brahman,
4: May there be Peace in All, May there be Peace Indeed within Peace, Giving Me the Peace which Grows within Me,
5: Om, Peace, Peace, Peace.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2016, 02:51:17 PM »
Atmavichar and Friends,

Forget all the Sanatana Dharma, there is a lot of cry over Gau Rakshaks and all!

There are such gory informations about the Cows that gave me so much sleepless nights! Forget even the Beef brigades.

Do you know that the milk that we drink? is as good as eating the very beef itself! What torture they endure! They treat the cows like machines! Worst of all they do Artificial insemination. I dont even want to get into details.

You know, We are the only species that drink milk of another animal other than ourselves!

Some details about Cow tortures, in the name of selling meet, i do not even have courage to write here!

Just venting out my anger! Lets pray and hope some sanity come and relieves our country!


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2016, 02:43:58 PM »
I understand Atmavichar, but unfortunately, this is more or less, these days attributed to 'Right' thinking only!

Who cares, Atmavichar? There is only chaos! It truly pains to see the plight of our Motherland, I wonder what great sin did our country do to go through the current times! We have enough faced the torments of the powerful. I am not ignoring the loopholes within ourselves.

The very word Sanatan is Right wing, what to talk about Dharma? Dharma is very much Hindu! You cant force Sanatan Dharma to others!

You know, Kalki Avatar today is each one of us! Not even Krishna would have been really successful today!

i am just talking from heart!

Should learn a bit of lesson from Mother Earth who is patiently waiting. "Prateeksha"


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 01, 2016, 02:14:31 PM »
When time calls, it is quite fine to side nicely towards the right side! Its time we stood erect and with our chin held high! Never trust the Left and never ever the center  :D

isn't this what Krishna do to restore Dharma?

यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत।
अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदाऽऽत्मानं सृजाम्यहम्।।4.7।।

O scion of the Bharata dynasty, whenever there is a decline in Dharma and increase of adharma,  then do I manifest Myself.

India as a whole, moreover Tamil Nadu is starved for last 100 or so years with the legacy of periyar's venom and his successors. A good chunk of blame goes definitely to the British who have played spoilt sport! They have broken our spines!

Wish and pray that our country regains its much deserved glory, pride. Looks difficult though!

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: July 31, 2016, 10:05:51 PM »
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

General essence of the poem:

Darkness is a metaphor for evil, and perhaps depression, "The Pit" is Hell. The writer, in thanking the Gods for his "unconquerable soul" is meaning that whatever bodily adversity he faces, his soul will remain unconquered.

The second verse repeats the theme, the body may be broken, but not the spirit (Fell = bad or evil)

The third verse talks about the "Place of wrath and tears" meaning the physical worls (Cf the Burial Service from the book of common prayer, refering to life as "this vale of tears" (Wrath = anger) and also the "Horror of the Shade" which is a poetic expression for Death (Shade = a ghost or spirit) and even faced with both of these the writer is unafraid.

"Strait the gate" is a biblical reference (Strait = narrow)
the last two lines repeat the main theme, that a person is responsible for their self, whatever happens in life.

William Ernest Henley

General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: July 31, 2016, 09:29:33 PM »

Friends, I warmly recommend you to watch Inside Out an animation movie.

Growing up can be a bumpy road, and it's no exception for Riley, who is uprooted from her Midwest life when her father starts a new job in San Francisco. Like all of us, Riley is guided by her emotions - Joy, Fear, Anger, Disgust and Sadness. The emotions live in Headquarters, the control center inside Riley's mind, where they help advise her through everyday life. As Riley and her emotions struggle to adjust to a new life in San Francisco, turmoil ensues in Headquarters. Although Joy, Riley's main and most important emotion, tries to keep things positive, the emotions conflict on how best to navigate a new city, house and school.

This is so true to each one of us. It is a wonderful new insight on how we view our various emotions.

All of us have various brain functions that govern our response to various situations. The functions responsible for Happiness, Sadness, Fear, Anger and Disgust are characterized and the details of the activities they do to run the life of a young Girl Riley right from her birth is what drives the story. When a sudden change in the life or Riley upsets their rhythm, they try to control the situation too much, which creates more confusion for Riley. Their adventures in an attempt to restore normalcy is what forms the crux of this movie.



General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 31, 2016, 09:13:38 PM »
a fascinating story on how Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna came about Sri Ravi but I am still yet to read the posts in full!

How blessed was M. truly! By the grace of Guru, he made himself available to be consumed by the flame that was Sri Ramakrishna! What an exemplary example of a Bhakta was he!

All that matters is how we spend our time while we are here alone matters. M. lived each and every moment of his lifetime in the smarana of his Guru and even though he was inspired by Mother and others to go ahead with his writings, he did this truly for himself, none other! When such purity resides then what you do to yourself, reaches to the whole humanity for he has seen the core of himself which is core of one and all!

Even if we could take the words of M. as it is, I wonder how much would he have truly wished to convey about Master but for words!

You have mentioned about the glory of M's Gospel more than a couple of times, and yes how true! As only a Jnani can know Jnani and only a Jnani can write about himself, so did M, only the Master could have truly written the Gospel!

Thanks for all these posts about Sri Ramakrishna here in this forum, had it not been for you, so much about Sri Ramakrishna would not have been known!


General topics / Re: Consciousness is indivisible
« on: July 29, 2016, 08:56:43 AM »
Sri Ravi, none can explain the Truth as simple as Sri Ramakrishna!!

What happens as we keep the company of the Master as we read the Gospel is that slowly we are made so simple and humble, verily we are stripped slowly and surely of all the koshas.

It is a journey that one has to go through reading the Gospel. It is not enough to read some pages in between. We have to live with the Master in reading slowly and surely.

Sime times i feel Gospel could be read as a Bhagawata or Ramayana like a Saptaham or 9 days or so. As the great shloka goes on Ramayana:

Charitam Raghunaath?asya shatakoti pravistaram

Ekaikamaksharam pumsaam mahaa paataka nashakam

?The story of Rama extends to a hundred crore couplets. Every single letter of this massive book destroys the biggest sins of those who read it.?


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: July 26, 2016, 01:48:23 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Do not fear impermanancy, and
do not long for permanancy!


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