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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 09, 2013, 08:06:22 AM »
:)

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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: September 08, 2013, 09:27:51 PM »
ego of a devotee' begets no pride; it does not create ignorance. On the contrary it helps one realize God. This ego is no more like the ordinary ego than hinche is like ordinary greens. One generally becomes indisposed by eating greens; but hinche removes excessive bile; it does one good. Sugar candy is not like ordinary sweets. Sweets are generally harmful, but sugar candy removes acidity

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:D why poor mosquitoes, we are unable to bear people, and we are talking about tiny tiny mosquitoes hindering our sadhana! :D in lighter sense :D

Here is another, adding onus to tolerance:

D.: Is ‘surrender’ accepting all physical annoyances such as ants,
mosquitoes, snakes, etc., and, in accepting, willing or ceasing to
be really hurt by them?

M.: Whatever it is, is it apart from you, the seer or the thinker?

A Parsi lady from the audience intervened: If they are not apart,
do we not feel the sting of the ants?

M.: Whom does the ant sting? It is the body. You are not the body.
So long as you identify yourself with the body, you see the ants,
plants, etc. If you remain as the Self, there are not others apart
from the Self.


D.: The body feels the pain of the sting.

M.: If the body feels it, let it ask. Let the body take care of itself. How
does it matter to you?

The American lady again: Does complete surrender mean that all
noise and disturbance in our environment, even during meditation,
must be accepted? Or should we seek a cave in a mountain for
solitude? Did not Bhagavan do this?

M.: There is no going or returning. The Self is said to be unaffected
by the elements, infinite, eternal. It cannot move. There is no place
to move in for the Self.


D.: But, in the process of finding the Self, is this seeking external
help spiritually legitimate?

M.: The error lies in the identification of the Self with the body.
If Bhagavan is the body you may ask that body. But understand
him whom you address as Bhagavan. He is not the body. He
is the Self.


Then she referred to an article in Harijan where it is said that everything
is God and nothing belongs to the individual, and so on.

M.: Everything, the individual, God and all are only the Self.

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Hari, i have to express, this was one of the best conversations i have ever had here or elsewhere! i am grateful! thank you, thank the Lord! it just feels so very light!

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Jai Sri Jesus

:)

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This is exactly what I had to write to you. :) I think so because during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself. :D


i have to reply the same, as it is! during this conversation I didn't have a thought about myself although I talked about myself :D

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we are doing yet not doing!

these conversations, simply matter of fact !

inadvertently!

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But what is the way to dissolve the ego. If we do some 'thing' to get rid of it we actually feed it in another direction. If we do nothing, then we again feed it. I think that we can do nothing to get rid of it. It can be done only by God. :) I may be wrong but this is how I think now.

well, as i can see, it is being dissolved now, this very moment!

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There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!


Absolutely agree! But this can only happen when the mind is 'empty' of judgmental and categorizing thoughts, just observing everything as it is.

but yet again, without interpretation, we will be dead meat!

Perhaps what is required is cultured interpretation! If there is interpretation!

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Because this is the way the ego acts. Its self-rightousness, confidence and progress is by 'eating' and destroying everything of its path, literally and metaphorically. :)

so much pain, as the ego doesn't realise it is devouring itself !

Like the dog that bites a raw bone to the extant of tasing its own blood of its mouth!


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true, that is an issue, we look for confirmation outside of our heart. why we need to prove something to somebody n first place? this itself springs from ignorance, borrowed from some ignorance, and there begins rat race/

Sometimes, things are beautiful, left as they are, there need not be answers for somethings!

Somethings, the real answers are 'no answers' and we must be willing to accept this as well!

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 08, 2013, 06:52:34 PM »
Stray thoughts...

There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!

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Stray thoughts...

There is nothing more than just what is, as it is, without our interpretations!

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 08, 2013, 06:46:16 PM »
Krishnan,

only i would prefer if you can pursue this discussion on in Rough Note book. i would be very grateful! :)


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A simple man, not learned, is satisfied with japa or worship. A Jnani
is of course satisfied. The whole trouble is for the book-worms.
Well, well. They will also get on.

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