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Ashrams / Re: visited Sri Ramanasramam
« on: January 28, 2014, 08:53:47 AM »

General topics / Re: Tiruppavai.
« on: January 27, 2014, 06:45:44 AM »

O daughter of our uncle who is asleep on the soft couch
placed in the immaculate and well-appointed chamber on the high,
where lamps are burning all around and the air is laden with
the aroma of incense!O Do open the latch of the ornate door.
O Auntie,would you not waken the girl?
Pray tell us whether your daughter is dumb or deaf
or simply sunk in stupor or confined to deep sleep
through some incantation !
Otherwise how could she be unresponsive to
the several names we chant such as
"the Lord of Mightily wondrous deeds",
"the repository of the fruits of penance"
and "the deity of vaikunta"?
Listen and ponder, our girl.


(Verse 9)

Dear Mark,

Cessation of thinking, meditation, concentration, discriminative abilities, which as humans we possess naturally, are not found in most other species, even if found, they are not in general capable of thinking about the unthinkable one, discerning about the undiscernable one.

Cessation of thinking is not the end in all. Cessation of thinking is practiced or certain other spiritual practices such of Bhajans, Vedic chants, yoga, dhyaana are practiced only so as to recognise the spirit behind, in whose presence the thinking even occurs, in whose presence discrimination is even possible, by whose presence we are able to distinguish between good and evil.

If, however, if one does not look at the beyond, being just content with cessation of thoughts, and the just the quietness of a meditation, or a Bhajan or any other practices, it is futile meaning that the quietness will be temporary and we cannot be facing quietness long enough just as we cannot be facing disturbance for long.

In the words of Bhagavan,

Mind is only the dynamic power (shakti) of the Self. There is no difference between matter and spirit. Modern science admits that all matter is energy. Energy is power or force (shakti). Therefore all are resolved in Siva and Shakti, i.e., the Self and the Mind." (Talk 268)

In the lines of Bhagavan, is it not so much more fascinating to know the one that is questioning in your post? Who is he? or what is he? is he known? from where is your questioning springing from? Isn't this more important? than even the question? Which, if one is able to do, doesn't it sets oneself apart from others? being a unique capability?


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: January 25, 2014, 12:20:28 PM »
Stray thoughts...

Lord Krishna says in Gita -

कर्मणयेवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन।
मा कर्मफलहेतुर्भूर्मा ते सङ्गोऽस्त्वकर्मणि।


Karmanye Vadhikaraste, we have all right, choice, freewill, upon any karma, or action. Mostly we have taken it for granted that it is "to perform" but it subtly also conveys we also have choice to remain still, to become free of all karmas. But of-course, this needs to be discerned in the right spirit and not with perversion.

But only we do not have the choice or preference to the expectations. Therefore, even the non performance of karmas, if being ones choice, also will have its fruits.


General topics / Re: Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: January 25, 2014, 11:31:45 AM »
ऐ मालिक तेरे बन्दे हम
ऐसे हों हमारे करम
नेकी पर चलें और बदी से टलें,
ताकि हंसते हुए निकले दम

O Lord, you are our creator
Our deeds are the outcome of
a righteous path we walk and evil we shun
we smile fulfilled till our last breath
O Lord, you are our creator

बड़ा कमज़ोर है आदमी,
अभी लाखों हैं इसमें कमी
पर तू जो खड़ा, है दयालू बड़ा
तेरी किरपा से धरती थमी
दिया तूने हमें जब जनम
तू ही झेलेगा हम सबके ग़म
नेकी पर…

Frail is the human being
With a million shortcomings
But you who stands tall, is forgiving
The world exists by your grace
You who breathed life into us
Will surely bear our burdens?

      जब ज़ुल्मों का हो सामना,
तब तू ही हमें थामना
वो बुराई करें, हम भलाई भरें
नहीं बदले की हो कामना
बढ़ उठे प्यार का हर कदम,
और मिटे बैर का ये भरम
नेकी पर…

When put to the test
O Lord, hold us firm
To our evil-doers, we are kind
May there be no desire for revenge
May every step ahead be for love
May every thought of enmity be wiped

ये अंधेरा घना छा रहा,
तेरा इंसान घबरा रहा
हो रहा बेखबर, कुछ न आता नज़र
सुख का सूरज छुपा जा रहाहै
तेरी रोशनी में जो दम
तो अमावस को कर दे पूनम
नेकी पर…

The world is engulfed in darkness
Your creation is afraid
He is uninformed and blind
The light of peace and happiness is hidden from him
Such is the strength of your presence,
a moonless night glows bright

Bharat Vyas

General Discussion / Re: Handling Problematic Emotions
« on: January 24, 2014, 06:12:41 PM »
Righteous Anger

Anger is too often opposed to self-control. When we are angry we lose control of words, of tone, of facial expressions, and sometimes even of fists. But righteous anger expresses itself in a controlled sensitive way. It does not rant and rage, it does not swear and curse, it does not mock and sulk, it does not sink to self-pity and despair, it does not blow off people and storm away from them. Righteous anger is a controlled anger that moves toward good and specific ends and is conveyed in a very cordial manner.

righteous anger is accompanied by godly qualities and expresses itself in godly ways. True anger properly diagnoses what is the actuality, it focuses not on personal offense and then it expresses itself in ways consistent with character and sensitivity. It  expresses its concern and care lovingly.

In brief most times Righteous anger actually is concern, care miscommunicated. Righteous anger is good motive miscommunicated resulting in unpleasantness.

Just we need to cultivate some patience, not to react immediately, to just about anything! Most times we want to show care and concern and we end up shouting at people and then later get upset because of our behavior as well has hurting the other person. We have to cultivate being aware and mindful constantly. Real sadhana is that which continues even after the the regular routine.


Humour / Re: Zen Humour
« on: January 23, 2014, 10:32:32 AM »

"The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear"

General Discussion / Re: Handling Problematic Emotions
« on: January 23, 2014, 08:37:09 AM »
Facing Negativity:

"When somebody does or says something negative towards you,
wait a few minutes to react. Take time to accept and let it go.
Your only reaction should be to smile, for you have power over your emotions."

General Discussion / Handling Problematic Emotions
« on: January 23, 2014, 08:27:26 AM »
In my break, it discerned within that in general, people are aware their problematic emotions and the wisdom that they need to be overcome. Even in scriptures and in the words of Guru, one learns that one has to go beyond these emotions and stand untouched. But they do not have the "know-how", We know Bhagavad Gita says we have to be neutral in heat and cold, insult and praise and so on, "but How?" is the real problem. In general we see that most times, unless one who is really intense in even inquiring the source of 'I' which is experiencing the heat, one gets stuck in such problematic emotions. This thread would focus on such quotes and articles that would facilitate showing light in going beyond these problematic emotions.


Humour / Re: Zen Humour
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:39:39 AM »

"Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we
learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and
if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful"

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: 'I-I'
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:31:15 AM »
Taane taane tattuvam idanait
Taane kattuvaai Aruoeachalaa

O Arunachala, Self (the consciousness, ‘I am’) itself is
the Reality. Reveal this to me Yourself.

(a) Reveal naturally by yourself, O Arunachala, that each one is himself, the real Self.

(b) You are the sole Reality, O Arunachala. Reveal yourself as such.

(c) "Reality is nothing but the Self". This is all your wish to reveal, is it not, O Arunachala?

The light of the Self, the universal, shines as I, nothing else other than as I within each living being.


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: 'I-I'
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:23:18 AM »
I think we are observing too critically this two 'I' expression of Bhagavan.

Its simply an expression of definite assurance that the Self shines like thousand suns in the feeling, when the being shines as 'I', its jut 'I'

Aham, "Naan Thaan"

No need to get confused with the couple 'I-I' Its just the same 'I' Aham. There is just one. Does it need to affirm twice as 'I-I' or thrice and so on? The spirit of Bhagavan's expresions need to be assimilated. The Atma need not even shine for itself. These are just pointers.

Aham Aham iti Saakshat Aatma Rupena Bhati

IT shines as I, again reaffirming as just the very Self, yourself, verily shines as the Atma.

I am, I am. no other just the I am.

General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:16:13 AM »

General topics / Re: Tiruppavai.
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:11:13 AM »

The eastern sky has whitened and the buffaloes let loose
for a short while to feed upon the dewy grass,have scattered on the lawns.
Detaining the other girls who would have otherwise gone,
we are standing here,in order to call you out.O do you awaken,
you damsel whose possession is jubiliation.
If we sing and secure the drum for our penance
and go to pay obeisance to the God of gods,
who clove in twain the mouth of the horse-demon
and also despatched the wrestlers who challenged Him,
He would then surely respond with a Solicitous :Ah,ah"
and enquire of us the reason for our coming.
Listen and ponder, our girl!


(Verse 8 )

The concept of 'Self' in buddhist connotation is the ego, the mind. The Buddhist do not have a name for the supreme reality, the supreme truth, hence they term it as 'Shunya' literally meaning nil, nothing, or that which cannot be defined, infinite or valueless.

Jesus was the Son of God, Jesus called the God as the Father, but the Father himself did not. The son addresses his source as 'Father'. the same way, is the understanding of 'Brahman', 'Atman' or the 'Self' addressed by the Vedic seers. Here the concept of 'Self' is the supreme reality, whose nature is by itself, discerned by terms such as 'undefined', 'attribute-less', immeasurable', 'un-quantifiable' - such is that Self.

if this Tatva is known, we can use any term we want provided the term conveys or discerns the essence as above in general.


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