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Dear Sri Jewel,

yes, Swami is an epitome of unparalleled compassion. some time back i happened to read this from somewhere:

Swami Vivekananda and his compassion
Year 1902, Place: Belur Math

Swami Vivekananda was staying in the Math. Some Santhal laborers used to work in the Math. They were poor, uneducated and simple. Swamiji had great sympathy, bordering on love, for these laborers who, despite honest and hard labor, could not feed their family adequately. The compassionate heart of Swami Vivekananda would grieve and melt for these poor fellows. He would inquire about their family, say simple jokes, and mix with these 'lowly fellows'. The spiritual personality of Swamiji would see suffering Narayana in them. His heart would get filled with unparalleled pity, compassion, and kindness towards these Santhal workers.

Like Gopis of Vraja, who would protest to Krishna not to play the sweet music on his flute, for it attracted them to Him and His Raas Lila with such great intensity that they used to forget their homes and husbands, these workers would also protest: "O my Swamiji, do not come to us when we are working, for while talking to you our work stops and the supervising swami rebukes us afterwards." With such intensity of love, Swami Vivekananda would attract these poor laborers.

One day Swamiji had a desire to feed these workers. Accordingly, he made arrangements for their lunch. At his orders, bread, curry, sweets, and curds etc. were arranged for the Santhals. Sitting before the Swami, all of them relished the sumptuous food. One Keshta said: "O Swami, whence have you got such a thing! We never tasted anything like this." Feeding them to their heart's content, Swami Vivekananda said, "You are Narayana, God manifest; today I have offered food to Narayana."

Turning to the disciple, the Swami said: "I found them the veritable embodiment of God - such simplicity, such sincere guileless love I have seen nowhere else." And later addressing the sannyasins of the Math, Swami Vivekananda had said: "Can you mitigate their misery a little! Otherwise, of what good is the wearing of the Gerrua (ochre) robe? Sacrifice of everything for the good of others is real sannyasa..." "Seeing the poor people of our country starving for food, a desire comes to my mind to overthrow all ceremonial worship and learning, and go around from place to place to serve these poor and afflicted..."

Such love for suffering humanity had come to the heart of Swami Vivekananda from the teachings of his Master, Sri Ramakrishna. Seeing God everywhere, and in particular His most dramatic and full expression in human beings was the main emphasis of the teaching of New Vedanta as propagated by Sri Ramakrishna. Innumerable examples can be cited to highlight this point. For instance, Sri Ramakrishna once remarked, 'I wondered why should be God meditated upon only with eyes closed, He should be seen all around us in all human beings even with eyes wide open!'

One more touching incidence is worth recounting from the life of Swami Vivekananda. Once the Swami was delivering a talk on Vedas to the sannyasins of the Math. The whole country was in the grip of famine; people were suffering and even dying of hunger. Girish Chandra Gosh, a close associate of Swami Vivekananda and devotee of Sri Ramakrishna was listening to the erudite talk, but felt that such a talk was useless and misplaced, for it did not help mitigate the pangs of hunger of millions. Hence, intervening, Girish said, 'Swamiji, would this talk bring peace and solace to the suffering humanity? Can Vedanta and Vedas bring food to the hungry mouths? How I feel for them, what should I do! What can I do?'

Listening to the fervent appeal full of pathos and sincere feeling, the broad and tender heart of Swami Vivekananda melted, and tears rolled down his cheek. Not to embarrass the sannyasins, Swami Vivekananda rushed away to his chamber in great distress. Turning to the group of sannyasins, Girish Babu said, "See, how compassionate your swami is; we householders do not much understand Vedas and Upanishads, but we see genuine love for humanity in Swami Vivekananda and hence love him and his sangha."


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 04, 2014, 09:14:31 AM »
stray thoughts...

vidya is knowing without the process of knowing, vidya is to discern the real knower and the pseudo knower. The pseudo knower requires a 'known' in knowing, as the perceiver and perceived, whereas the real knower requires no 'known' as as the perceiver and perceived.

The real knower knows without the 'known' perceives without the perceived, real knower knows without the process of knowing, as it is just itself.

Pseudo knower requires knowledge in knowing, whereas the real knower requires no knowledge at all! nothing is hidden from That so as to know. It is choicelessly just 'present', as neither a knower or the known nor as a witness or the witnessed, yet remains as the knower and witness, without any knowing and witnessed even though it has no need for any knowing or witnessing.

It does not know and yet knows, it does not witness and yet is a witness, it does not see and yet sees.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 04, 2014, 08:54:37 AM »
stray thoughts...

it is avidya 'nescience' that feeds the 'knower' and the 'known' / 'perceiver' and the 'perceived'

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Stories
« on: August 04, 2014, 12:52:30 AM »

Samadhi of Sant Eknath Maharaj

General Discussion / Re: Bharathiyar Poems
« on: August 03, 2014, 11:46:09 PM »
அன்பு செய்தல்

இந்தப் புவிதனில் வாழு மரங்களும்
இன்ப நறுமலர்ப் பூஞ்செடிக் கூட்டமும்
அந்த மரங்களைச் சூழ்ந்த கொடிகளும்
ஔடத மூலிகை பூண்டுபுல் யாவையும்
எந்தத் தொழில் செய்து வாழ்வன வோ?


மானுடர் உழாவிடினும் வித்து நடாவிடினும்
வரம்புகட்டாவிடினும் அன்றிநீர் பாய்ச்சாவிடினும்
வானுலகு நீர்தருமேல் மண்மீது மரங்கள்
வகைவகையா நெற்கள்புற்கள் மலிந்திருக்கு மன்றோ?
யானெ தற்கும் அஞ்சுகிலேன்,மானுடரே,நீவிர்
என்மதத்தைக் கைக்கொண்மின்,பாடுபடல் வேண்டா;

ஊனுடலை வருத்தாதீர்; உணவியற்கை கொடுக்கும்;
உங்களுக்குத் தொழிலிங்கே அன்பு செய்தல் கண்டீர்!

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: August 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM »
"The best portion of a good man's life:
his little,  nameless, unremembered acts of
kindness and love."

(William Wordsworth)

General topics / Re: Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: August 03, 2014, 08:09:27 PM »
ओंवाळूं आरती माइया सदगुरुनाथा, माइया साईनाथा ।।
पांचाही तत्वांचा दीप लाविला आतां ।।

निर्गुणाची स्थिति कैसी आकारा आली । बाबा आकारा आली ।
सर्वा घटीं भरुनि उरली सांई माउली ।। ओंवाळूं 0 ।।

रज तम सत्व तिघे माया प्रसवली । बाबा माया प्रसवली ।
मायेचिये पोटीं कैसी माया उद्घवली ।। ओंवाळूं 0 ।।

सातसागरी कैसा खेळ मांडीला । बाबा खेळ मांडीला ।
खेळूनियां खेळ अवघा विस्तार केला ।। ओंवालूं 0 ।।

ब्रहांडींची रचना दाखविली डोळां । बाबा दाखविली डोळां ।
तुका म्हणे माझा स्वामी कृपाळू भोळा ।। ओंवाळू 0।।

Owaloo aaratee mazhaa Sadgurunaathaa ? maazhaa Sainaatha
Paanchaahee tatwaanche deep laawilaa aataan

Nirgunaachee sthitee kaisee aakaaraa aalee ? Baba aakaaraa aalee
Sarvaa ghatee bharooni vuralee Sayee Maawoolee   Owaloo aaratee

RajaTamaSathwa tighe maayaa prasawalee ? Mazyawara maayaa prasawalee
Mayecheeye potee kaisee maayaa udbhavalee Owaloo aaratee

SaptaSaagaree kaisa khel maandeelaa ? Baba khel maandeelaa
Khelooniyaa khel awagha visthaar kelaa  Owaloo aaratee

Brahmaandeechee rachanaa keisee daakhavilee dolaa ? Baba daakhavilee dolaa
Tuka hmane maazhaa Swaamee kripaaloo bholaa Owaloo aaratee


My Sadguru Sainath, I lit up the five elements
of my body as a lamp and do your aarti

How has the attributeless taken form. Baba taken form! You fill
every part of existence and still you are full O! Sai Mother. I do Aarti?.

All the three qualities of passion, ignorance, excellence have spread
illusion, have engulfed me with illusion. How has the rest of the
illusory world come into existence, born of this Maya (illusion)

How have you started this divine sport across the seven seas !
Baba started this divine sport! And how has this divine sport
spread over the whole creation!    I do Aarti?.

The Lord has shown me the creation and arrangement of this universe.
Tuka says : My Lord is simple and compassionate.    I do Aarti?.

(Shej Arati, i.e., night time)

General Discussion / Re: Bharathiyar Poems
« on: August 03, 2014, 07:10:22 PM »
The speciality of Mahakavi's poetry is that it makes you want to be Him, desire to be 'Him' a "Bharathi"


General Discussion / Re: Bharathiyar Poems
« on: August 03, 2014, 07:07:10 PM »
Ah! Sri Ravi, thanks so much for revisiting this, what joy, what joy, do we need any else? i am indeed grateful to have been blessed to have known Mahakavi in my life. There have been many many great poets who are no less, or may be much great in stature, yet Mahakavi has his own place, where there is no place for anybody else. He is here, ever!

Such a moving poetry and heart melting. I share this video of a movie.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 03, 2014, 12:52:46 PM »
Stray thoughts...

for an advaitin, what is seen as dvaita by the dvaitin, what is seen as visishtaadvaita by the visishtaadvaitin, what is seen as shunya by the buddhists is verily shuddha "Advaitam" - pure advaita

for an dvaitin, what is sen as advaita by the advaitin, what is seen as visishtaadvaita by the visishtaadvaitin, what is seen as shunya by the buddhists is verily shuddha "Dvaitam" pure dvaita

for a visishtaadvaitin, what is sen as advaita by the advaitin, what is seen as dvaita by the dvaitin, what is seen as shunya by the buddhists is verily shuddha "Visishtaadvaitam" pure visishtaadvaita

for a buddhist, what is sen as advaita by the advaitin, what is seen as dvaita by the dvaitin, what is seen as visishtaadvaita by the visishtaadvaitin, is verily shuddha "shunyam" pure shunya

and so on... whatever else exists


The present convention, which is one of the most august assemblies ever held,
is in itself a vindication, a declaration to the world of the wonderful doctrine
preached in the Gita:

Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form,
I reach him; all men are struggling through paths
which in the end lead to me.

General Discussion / Glimpses from Complete works of Swami Vivekananda
« on: August 03, 2014, 10:31:55 AM »

We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. I am proud to belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites, who came to Southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering the remnant of the grand Zoroastrian nation. I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings:

As the different streams having their sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee.



One will encounter two ends in this subject. Whether to keep silent, simply be or carry on the actions as the Lord says.

If one is to question the validity of keeping silent, simply remaining quiet without actions, Bhagavan would perhaps say, just try and see. if one is to question the validity of actions, Bhagavan would perhaps say, actions are inert, seek within. These are individual specific. Bhagavan never gave mass advice or path (refer Paramahamsa Yogananada)

One should also understand that even simply being without doing anything is not just idle indolence. But it is as Bhagavan says below:

Is the state of 'being still' a state involving effort or effortless?

It is not an effortless state of indolence. All mundane activities which are ordinarily called effort are performed with the aid of a portion of the mind and with frequent breaks. But the act of communion with the Self (atma vyavahara) or remaining still inwardly is intense activity which is performed with the entire mind and without break

To take the discernment beyond its limitations, there have been Yogis who have been able to give up even food and breath too and remain in exalted states, but they were not like stones.

On one hand we can see Ramana bahgavan who remained fixed in one place, where as Shankara Bhagavat pada was extensively on the move. There is no difference between them. If we look at Vyasa Valmiki, then it appeares they have not even slept and engaged always in activities for the kind of works that they have provided for posterity.

I feel we should cast off such analyses and focus the attention on the goal. Realise God or Self, that is the main objective. Whether one is to remain fixed in one place or whether one has to wait for food to come on its own or strive for little food for sustenance or whether one is to be on move, let us see it later.

So presently, the objective being to realise God or Self, strive towards it. as Bhagvan himself has come down with two paths in the ultimate sense. Which ever path one is inclined to, one has to inculcate moderation, facilitate oneself with "Spiritual luxuries" such as eating satvic food, enough sleep, moderation in other activities, limit the vyavaharam as little as necessary alone.

Either Surrender and keep quiet or sit and enquire things out, sort out all issues sprouting from within.

For instance, when such questions arise as to whether one has to put effort or not, one has to either enquire discern the truth completely or surrender completely not even wanting to know the answer.

There are two ways. One is looking into the source of ?I? and merging into that source. The other is feeling ?I am helpless by myself, God alone is all-powerful and except by throwing myself completely on him, there is no other means of safety for me.? By this method one gradually develops the conviction that God alone exists and that the ego does not count. Both methods lead to the same goal. Complete surrender is another name for jnana or liberation.

All these questions, if we see subtly, they arise out of body identification, what is to act and what is to be still? The self is beyond stillness and action. Most questions, if we see, we ask from the level of body identification.

Either way, if one has surrendered, one gives no room for any questions, and cut such questions by the spirit of Surrender to God and if one is to enquire, one would ignore the weight of a question and would proceed inquiring the source of the question, as to whom is this question springing to.

so we now know, questions are springing from body identification, there is not sompletion, Purna as yet, then what is the ideal response, what should we do? discern this truth as above and ignore the question and move on which ever path one is inclined to. Really if one has got this message, one need not know anything more, learn anything more or even try and understand anything new as well, as we know, there is nothing to understand, i need to surrender, it is God's will His will prevails, He is the doer, Not I But Thou. or Who am I, Who am I? Who am I?


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 02, 2014, 12:10:12 PM »
Thanks Krishnan

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