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General Discussion / Nostradamus Predictions
« on: April 02, 2009, 04:44:22 PM »
EVERYONE in the West, from statesman to crossing-sweeper, is aware of the fame of NOSTRADAMUS, the French-Jewish seer who died more than 400 years ago. The reason for his extraordinary popularity is quite simple. Many predictions published by Nostradamus in 1555 have been completely vindicated by the passage of time. Writing more than 400 years ago, he not only foresaw the two World Wars of the 20th century, but also came close to mentioning Hitler by name!

Quatrain 75, Century X
Long awaited, he will not take birth in Europe, India will produce the immortal ruler, Seeing wisdom and power of unlimited scope, Asia will bow before this conquering scholar.

Quatrain 96, Century X
The religion of the name of the seas triumphs. This prophecy need a little explication. In geography, one finds the Hindu Maha Sagar (the Indian Ocean in English). Hinduism is the only religion with a sea (an ocean, rather) named after it.

Quatrain 50, Century L
From the peninsula where three seas meet, Comes the ruler to whom Thursday is holy, His wisdom and might all nations will greet, To oppose him in Asia will be folly. South India is the only peninsula in the entire globe where three seas meet a point and stretch away.

The great Hindu leader will hence be a south Indian who offers worship on Thursdays. It is easy to see why Nostradamus specifically mentions Thursday as the holy day. It is only Hindus who consider Thursday sacred.

He will bind Asia together under his rule. He however, will not be a tyrant. But he will win over the communists by persuading them of the timeless varieties of Hinduism. Russia will become India's ally

The seer's forecast seems to suggest that Russia will be the first among Communist countries to abandon Marxism in favour of Hinduism. The Red comrades in our midst will doubtless throw up their hands in horror at the mere idea. But Riencourt, the French writer, quotes a prophecy made by Ramakrishna Parmahamsa shortly before his death which strongly supports the French seer's prediction. Shri Ramakrishna declared that his next birth would be to the north-west of India. In other words, he will be reborn in Russia as a Hindu holy man!


General topics / Re: Change in life
« on: April 02, 2009, 02:21:25 PM »
Dear Subramanian.

Its a beautiful and touching post. I feel Change exists so long the Vasanas exist. After all Vasanas are the desire for change. One is not happy with what is already. One wants change, difference, new, creation. Vasanas are like the river, it keeps moving and then finally it reaches the ocean which is still non moving and non changing.

If one is not happy even with the change, like the water which evaporates and rain and reach different places so do we!


Some months back, I happened to see a discovery channel programme, A young Buddhist monk somewhere near Nepal Tibet border sat under a Banyan Tree for months together and it caught the attention of the Discovery channel crew members and they made a documentary of the young monk. The set few cameras for covering the young monk's activities continuously. This exercise was carried on for a period of more than 3 months.

The Young monk did not move an inch, nor opened his eyes, nor had food of water. It seems he took a vow to meditate for 13 years till he becomes a Buddha or the enlightened.

Hearing about this young monks intense Tapas, his Guru came to him and had his Darshan and left. This Guru spoke to the Discovery crew members about some yogic techniques, breath and others by which one is able to attract the moisture in the Atmosphere and other energies in the air by which a Yogi can sustain His body and remain with water or food for days together.

about 3 months passed by the crew members still find the young Monk unmoved. Huge crowds began flocking around the monk and some people who were guarding the monk created a circle and began collecting money from people who wanted to have darshan of the monk. Soon there was a lot of disturbances.

The Young Monk one night sometime after 3 months got up and went into the forest and no one could trace his whereabouts. The close associates said that the monk wanted solitude and left the place.

It was an interesting documentary. I was reminded of Bhagawan who remained motionless of ?? number of weeks in the Pathala Linga Shrine.

What stops us from such deep enquiry? They say its because of our Vasanas. Either we don't have the 100% desire for Self enquiry, we usually have 50% 60% 70% or so and the rest 50% 40% or 30% for worldly desires. we want both! thats the whole problem!

The So called Vasanas - We want them, the desires. There are 2 ways from here.

1.  control all your desires and meditate. do not allow the desires to take hold of you. This is very very tough.
2.  accept the Ashrama you are in. for Ex Grihasthasrama entitles for the householder to desire rightfully and enjoy the materialistic life for some years and then retire to the forest to know the Self.

But most of us probably want both the (1) and (2) we sometimes want to curb all our desires and sometimes want to enjoy for lacking the poise to control our desires.

The Yogic path also describes the Ashtanga Yoga:

Yama           -Social discipline
Niyama   -Discipline of the self
Asana   -Physical discipline through the practice of postures
Pranayama   -Mental discipline through breath control
Pratyahara   -Discipline of the senses through withdrawal
Dharana   -Concentration
Dhyana   -Meditation
Samadhi   -Self-realisation

The famous Yoga Teacher BKS Iyengar says one should not jump the Ashtanga Yoga say from Yama to Dharana and Samadhi, Its not possible. One has to pass all the 8 stages to Samadhi else it will be endless cycle.


General Discussion / Re: The Elections are coming!
« on: April 02, 2009, 12:30:52 AM »
I really wish and hope that India becomes a Spiritual Super Power and not a Nuclear Super Power. I wish that Golden age comes very soon! Yes this Politics is a circus no doubt about it but as we are still very much part of the society and not yet Jnanis. Its like we are in Grihasthashrama, we are bound by our duty towards the nation to create a better nation for posterity.

Vedic Mathematics is bing taught in Russia, USA, UK, Singapore and many other countries but here in India how many will even be aware of Mathematics?

Chess originated here in India, But in Russia, Its made a compulsory module in School.

Indian culture is very well recognised abroad in USA, UK and many European countries and the ideals of Vedic life is being taught well here Its being discouraged!

Where are moral values being taught here in Schools? in UK tender has been sent to some premuim institutions like Ramakrishna, Satya Sai, Chinmaya etc.. to run educational institutions in their country!

How much of of our Indian History is being taught in schools? The greatest epics Ramayana Mahabharatha are they included in school? If a child knows the story of Harishchandra He will learn the importance of Satyam or Truth and will imbibe the qualitie of the Vedanta.

We dont have any dearth of Spiritual Gurus with Wisdome and foresight here. Just to illustrate Sri Sri Ravishankar has addressed more than 100 parliaments and other political gathering in more than 100 countries but he has not addressed the Indian Parliement as yet! Such is the State in India.

Its like the Kabir Doha

Kasturi Kundali Base Mrig Dunde Banmaahi
Aise Ghati Ghati Ram Hai Duniya Dekhe Naahi

Like how the Kasturi deer goes in search of fragrence of itself, likewise the whole world (India) is in vein search of God(Prosperity) all over


Dear Udai,

Very true,

Sadhana is necessary for those persons who are not able to firmly establish themselves as the Self at all times.

The word Sadhana itself means 'leading straight to a Goal' or 'establishment of Truth' or 'accomplishment' or 'completion' or 'perfection'

Its like the Balance scale - weighing equally in the middle.

neither prejudiced by past not in fear of the future. The moment only the moment.

Sadhana is necessary only if the weighing scale is imbalanced either this way or the other.


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Paradox of Advaita
« on: April 01, 2009, 01:57:07 PM »
“There is no such thing as realising the Self ” – Bhagavan has
often said this in order to remind those who asked that the
Self alone is, now and eternally, and is not something new to
be discovered. This paradox is of the essence of non-dualism"

In answer to a question as to what is the best way to the goal,
Bhagavan said: ‘There is no goal to be reached. There is nothing to
be attained. You are the Self. You exist always. Nothing more can
be predicated of the Self than that it exists. Seeing God or the Self
is only being the Self, that is yourself. Seeing is Being. You, being
the Self, want to know how to attain the Self. It is like a man being
at Ramanasramam and asking how many ways there are of going
to Ramanasramam and which is the best way for him. All that is
required of you is to give up the thought that you are this body and
give up all thoughts of external things or the non-Self. As often as
the mind goes out towards objects, stop it and fix it in the Self or
‘I’. That is all the effort required on your part.'

Despite this paradox, however, Bhagavan also stressed the
necessity of effort.

Ceaseless practice is essential until one attains without the
least effort that natural and primal state of mind which is free
from thought, in other words, until the ‘I’, ‘my’ and ‘mine’ are
completely eradicated and destroyed.

It is in order to safeguard the viewpoint that there is nothing
new to be discovered that Advaita explains that it is only a
question of removing the screen of ignorance, just as by
removing water-plants one reveals beneath them the water
that was already there, or as the removal of clouds reveals the
blue sky that is there already but was hidden by them.

The Self always is. There is no knowing it. It is not
some new knowledge to be acquired. What is new and not here
and now cannot be permanent. The Self always is, but
knowledge of it is obstructed and the obstruction is called
ignorance. Remove the ignorance and knowledge shines forth.
In fact, it is not the Self that has this ignorance or even
knowledge. These are only accretions to be cleared away. That
is why the Self is said to be beyond knowledge and ignorance.
It remains as it naturally is – that is all.

Sometimes people complained of the difficulty of quelling
thoughts. Bhagavan brought them round again to Self-enquiry
by reminding them that it is the thinker or, in case of doubt,
the doubter whom one must examine. There may be a thousand
doubts, but one does not doubt the existence of the doubter.
Who is he?

- Sri Ramana

General Discussion / What does the Cross Mean
« on: April 01, 2009, 01:33:26 PM »
I was reading one of the lectures of Satya Sai Baba during some Christmas. He said the real meaning or essence of the Cross is cutting the I

The I is to be cut. Thats what the horizontal line signifies, This the the Cross of Jesus!

It was a beautiful explanation!!


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Madalasa Upadesha
« on: April 01, 2009, 01:27:31 PM »
I came across a similar topic discussed by Bhagawan:

The trouble is that it is extremely difficult to regard the body
or the objective world as unreal. Bhagavan admitted that in
the following dialogue:

Devotee: I have a toothache; is that only a thought?
Bhagawan: Yes.
Devotee: Then why can’t I think that there is no toothache, and
so cure myself?
Bhagawan: One does not feel the toothache when one is absorbed
in other thoughts or when asleep.
Devotee: But still it remains.
Bhagawan: So strong is man’s conviction of the reality of the world
that it is not easily shaken off. But the world is no more real
than the individual who sees it.

The Seeker himself is Unreal.

There is only one 'I' when the seeking began, the seeker was created. when the seeking ends the seeker dies and the 'I'  remains...

Devotee: Why did the Self manifest as this miserable world?
Bhagawan: In order that you might seek it. Your eyes cannot see
themselves but if you hold a mirror in front of them they see
themselves. Creation is the mirror. See yourself first and then
see the whole world as the Self.


:)  I should have presumed that one! Din't strike to me that one comma !!

Have you come across any work on being "Still" what it is to be "Summa Iru"

Has Thayumanavar written anything about this topic. I feel this "Summa Iru" is Tricky!!


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Madalasa Upadesha
« on: April 01, 2009, 12:50:39 PM »
Dear Udai,

Very beautiful verses and nice illustrations, especially the Diamond one is very good!

You mentioned that if there is pain, the body just conveys it.

But, I feel the body is absolutely lifeless, its the same 'I' that conveys the pain as well. The body does not convey anything. The pain is also in the mind level only. what does the body know of pain or pleasure? Pain or Pleasure is only for the 'I' only. This also is a delusion only!

This 'I' feels that it is inside the body and the body is its residence and when some other entity comes to take the body, this 'I' gets disgusted and fights for it does not want to share it with anybody. Like when we keep our finger in the fire, the 'I' immediately orders to remove the finger from the fire for the fear that the finger may be burnt and eaten by fire.

Body is made up of 5 elements:


Fire dies in water
Water disappears in fire
Air Dries water
Space sucks Air
Earth dissolves in water

Each of the 5 elements are enemies to each other. therefore when we come into contact with any of the 5 elements the 'I' fears. It does not want to share its residence with anybody.


Dear Subramanian,

These verses are excellent. Could you explain further this line given below:

"Remain still, mind in the face of everything!"

Thank you


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles Do Happen
« on: April 01, 2009, 12:28:05 PM »
Very interesting post!

I would like to go back around again afresh and learn the abcd of Self enquiry!

What is the first 'I' and the other 'I'

Bhagawan says the when one wakes up, it is the though I-am-the-body that rises first. So the first 'I' is that we operate from the Body's point of view. That I need to use my hands legs mouth to talk and all the daily chores and responsibilities.

What is the Other 'I'? Bhagawan says this real 'I' exists in all the three states. waking, sleeping and dream states. It is absolutely untouched by anything!

The body being unreal, is it only a thought then? as we are only the spirit in the body, they say body is just like a cloth! If it is a cloth then it must be separate from the real 'I'

I can understand that I am not this body, I am the one residing in the body! is this also a thought only? that I am residing in this body? because when I say I am residing in this body, then it amounts to giving existence to this body. Yes the body is Lifeless but I am the Life in the body. Is body there?

If the real I exist in Sleep, then It is not known at all! Its absolute thoughtless state. therefore in the dream and waking states it is along with the thoughts, therefore the one in sleep is pure without thoughts.

It only means thoughtless state. Not even 'I' is there.

Who actually Sleeps anyway? is it the body? but body is lifeless! or is it the life force 'I' what is sleeping? what is to be awake ?

'I' am there whole day doing something and I am totally dissolved in sleep lost or dead.


Dear Subramanian,

Yesterday, I too kept chanting Arunachala Siva till I fell asleep, I dint know when I fell asleep, then the very first thing I remembered in the morning was Arunachala Siva. There was a very short moment, I was neither asleep, nor awake, but then I began to think where was I in that moment, just now? before I asked this question to myself!


Devotee: What will it be like when one achieves Self-realization?

Bhagawan: The question is wrong, one does not realize
anything new”

Devotee: I do not get you, Swami

Bhagawan: It is very simple. Now you feel you
are in the world. There you feel that the world is in you

General topics / Re: Spiritual Practice : some guidelines
« on: April 01, 2009, 11:19:30 AM »
“Can a man ever understand God’s ways? I too think of
God sometimes as good and sometimes as bad. He has kept
us deluded by His great illusion. Sometimes He wakes us up
and sometimes He keeps us unconscious. One moment the
ignorance disappears, and the next moment is covers our mind.
If you throw a brickbat into a pond covered with moss, you
get a glimpse of the water. But a few moments later the moss
comes dancing back and covers the water. One is aware of
pleasure and pain, birth and death, disease and grief, as long
as one is identified with the body. All these belong to the
body alone, and not to the soul. . . Attaining Self-knowledge,
one looks on pleasure and pain, birth and death, as a dream”.

— Sri Ramakrishna

General Discussion / Re: The Elections are coming!
« on: March 31, 2009, 08:48:49 PM »
Talking about Elections and the Money Power.

Come this elections and find total expenses of all the political parties amount to 8000 Crores!

Is there any difference between the Satyam fraud of 8000 crores and Election expenses of 8000 crores?

What can we do? They spend 8000 crores for us to vote!! rater buy our votes!!!

Utter Nonsense. I have least bit of respect to all the politicians !!!! Useless goons of the Nations!! this 8000 crores can help lift poverty!! Education system can be improved!! Its ABSURD

If an honest persons wills to contest the elections what can he do? where from he can get money?


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