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General topics / Handling of Depression
« on: May 06, 2009, 10:54:08 PM »
Depression, the pain of loneliness, helplessness, gloom and despair, is a malady that affects everyone, young and old. However, that depressed state of mind is not your true state. It is your birth right to vibrate with strength and courage, to face life like a Hero.

Certain environments and disappointing conditions promote depression of mind and engender a sense of loneliness. At times, depression develops for no reason. However, the reason lies in the Karmic movement of the past.

Most of us, especially ones who turn into spirituality when life seems futile also face depression. Spirituality should not be an alternative to depression in life. Life itself is Spirituality. Therefore one should keep a check of ones mental state and not ignore this depression hide the realities of life by "turning to spirituality"

Depression has three aspects:

1.  Causal - involved in Karmas, backed up by ignorance of one's spiritual nature
2.  Astral - in the form of psychological imbalance
3.  Physical

When you are depressed, your spirit sinks, and mental weakness restricts the flow of vitality in your body and leads to physical imbalance. If you develop the habit of being depressed again and again for a sustained period of time, various diseases may result.

Depression is a contagious disease with a destructive influence on the people around you. It is said, "Smile and the world smiles with you; weep and the world adds a hundred sighs to your grieving soul."

It can become an addiction. Often, it is cultivated as a habit due to lack of psychological education. There will be many times in your life that you will need to withdraw from other people in order to reflect and understand a situation better. However, falling into a depression is not the correct way of withdrawing.

..... To be continued... (Handling Depression)  (From a popular spiritual magazine)

General topics / Re: The Differences
« on: May 06, 2009, 12:02:33 AM »
Dear Karthikeyan,

I think Subramanian has been explaining very lucidly your doubts. I felt a pictorial explanation of the theories of Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva would make it much easier -

The small circle in Visishtadvaita and Dvaita is "I" or "you" and the Big circle is any of Vishnu swarupam. Whereas in Advaita, there is only one circle, there is no small circle and big circle, there is only one. the "I" or "you", Narayana, Shiva, Shakti, or for that matter anything or anyone Christ, Allah, Buddha is one and the same and this is the eternal "I" as stated by Ramana, The Pure I.

Ramanuja and Madhva predominantly saw/focussed on the smaller circle whereas Shankara saw only the One whole circle!

My personal belief and understanding is that even a Visishtadvaitin and Dvaitin will ultimately get merged (Not to be taken Literally, Merging into whole is KNOWLEDGE or Gnana or 'to-know' or 'being') into the Whole - the One - Advaita Tatvam. I have come to understand that one begins his spiritual journey as a Dvaitin, then becomes a Visishtadvaitin and finally realises that He alone IS - Advaita Tatvam. That Sat-Chit-Ananda Tatvam is Advaita Tatvam. And when this happens He will Not Bother about Advaita or Dvaita or Visishtadvaita or any other theory.

You may right click and open in new window to view a bigger picture given above!

Hope it Helps! :)


General topics / Gnana, Bhakti and Yoga
« on: May 05, 2009, 11:44:31 PM »
I heard partly a discourse being telecast in TV yesterday. The discourser said, one who prays to Vishnu becomes a great Bhakta, one who prays to Shiva becomes a great Gnani and one who prays to Shakti becomes a Yogi (Kundalini)

Thoughts then flashed in my mind that Sri Shankara was a Great Bhakta, a Great Gnani and a Great Yogi too!

It was nice bit of information and I thought, I would share it here!


General topics / Bhakti - Sivananda Lahari
« on: April 28, 2009, 07:19:32 PM »
अंकोलं निज बीज सन्ततिरयस्कान्तोपलं सूचिका
साध्वी नैज विभुं लता क्षिति-रुहं सिन्धुस्सरिद् वल्लभम् ।
प्राप्नोतीह यथा तथा पशु-पतेः पादारविन्द-द्वयं
चेतो-वृत्तिरुपेत्य तिष्ठति सदा सा भक्तिरित्युच्यते

ankOlaM nija bIja santatir-ayaskAntOpalaM sUcikA
sAdhvI naija vibhuM latA kshiti-ruhaM sindhuh-sarid-vallabham
prApnOtIha yathA tathA paSu-patEH pAdAravinda-dvayaM
cEtOvRttir-upEtya tishThati sadA sA bhaktir-iti-ucyatE

That state of mind is called Bhakti (Divine Love) wherein all movements of thought go automatically to the lotus feet of the Lord and stick to them for ever just as the seed of Ankola tree (on falling) gravitates to the parent tree, the iron needle to the magnetic stone the devoted wife to her husband, the creeper to the tree and the river to the ocean.

Shivananda Lahari (61)


General topics / Bhakti Lakshanam (attributes of Bhakti)
« on: April 28, 2009, 05:13:08 PM »
In Narada Bhakti Sutra we have the following Sutra which describes the attributes of Bhakti -

Kantha avarodha romancha ashrubhih parasparam lapmaanaah paavayanthi kulaani prithiveem cha

Word Meaning

Kantha avarodha –  throats choked with emotion,
Romancha – hairs are standing to end
Ashrubhih – eyes covered with tears,
Parasparam lapamaanaah – converse with each other in broken words;
Paavayanthi kulaani – (they) purify their tribe (family as well)
Prithiveem cha – and entire Earth.


General topics / Eyes filled with copious tears arising out of joy
« on: April 28, 2009, 05:10:15 PM »
SphurasphaaraJyothsnaaDhavalithatale kaapi Pulini
Sukhaaseenaah Shaantadhvanishu Rajanishu dyusaritah
Bhavaabhogodvignaah Shiva Shiva Shivetyuchchavasah
Kadaa yaayaamontargatabahumabaashpaakuladashaam

Sitting in peaceful posture, during nights when all sounds are stilled into silence, somehwhere on the banks of the heavenly river which shine with the white glow of the bright-diffused moon-light, and fearful of the nuseries of birth and death, crying aloud "Shiva, Shiva, Shiva" Ah! when shall we attain that ecstasy which is characterised by copious tears of joy held in internal control

- Vairagya Shatakam (85)


General topics / Divine Medicine
« on: April 27, 2009, 11:21:38 PM »
Vyamoha-prasam aushadham muni-mano-vritti-pravritty-aushadham
Daityendrarti-karaushadham tri-bhuvane sanjivanaikaushadham
Bhaktatyanta-hitaushadham bhava-bhaya-pradhvamsanaikaushadham
Sreyah-prapti-karaushadham piba manah sri-krishna-divyaushadham

Medicine that cures improper desires,
Medicine in the minds of sages,
Which makes them to meditate,
Medicine for controlling king among Rakshasas,
Medicine which gives life to the three worlds,
Medicine which cures the travails of devotees,
Medicine that cures fear of existence,
Medicine that can bring all glory,
Is the holy medicine of Sri Krishna.
And so ,devotees drink it to your fill..

- Mukunda Mala of Kulasekara Alzwar


General topics / Life of Man
« on: April 27, 2009, 01:35:50 PM »
Aayurvarshashatam nrunaam parimitam raatrau tadardhan gatam
tasyaardhasya parasya chaardhamaparam balatvatvrdhatvayoh
sheham vyaadhiviyogadukha sahitam sevaadibhirniyate
jeevo vaaritaranchachalatare soukyam kutah praaninaam

The life of a man (as ordained) is limited to one hundred years; half of it is spent in night, and out of the other half one half again is pased in childhood and old age and the rest which has its illness, bereavements, and troubles is spent in serving (others). What happiness can there be for mortals in a life (again) which is even more uncertain than the ripples (on the surface) of water?

Variragya shatakam - 49


General topics / Re: Karna
« on: April 23, 2009, 12:33:11 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

Mahabharata signifies that justice is hard as stone. Justice does not have any sort of emotions.

Bheeshma took the vow of Brahmacharya for the sake of his father, Shantanu. He pledged that he would never forsake the throne of Hastinapura. Therefore Bheeshma could not help but just see Draupadi being stripped in the assembly, even though he knew the truth. He was more akin towards Hastinapura Throne. The Throne of Hastinapura blinded him. But he knew his end

Dritarashtra was a typical human with too much affection towards his sons that it blinded him the Truth. But he knew his end.

Drona who was in utter poverty, had no option but to be with Dritarashtra. Money for living blinded him. But he knew his end.

Karna, who only took the side of Duryodhana just because he held him high when the whole world forsake him. Arjuna did not go about and tell people that he was the greatest archer, but it was, Bheeshma, Drona and others who held him high. Arjuna did not care to prove to anyone that he was a greatest archer. but Karna did not like everyone praising Arjuna even without proving his archery. He did not even bother to think what sort of person was Duryodhana before accepting his friendship. Initially Duryodhana praised Karna only to spite the Pandavas where as for Karna, it was a burning ego cooled down when Duryodhana accepted him. What was the need for Karna to get entangled in a war between two groups with who he had no connection? only because Duryodhana praised him! He also knew his end. Even when he knew that he was the eldest of Pandavas, he promised Kunti that the would not kill his brothers except Arjuna. after the war there would still remain Pancha Pandavas - Either He or Arjuna would survive. He could not accept this.

He had a lot of Good qualities, He took a vow that in day time, whoever came to him for alms, he would never say no to them. Hence When Indra came he had to give away his Kavacham. There was no moderation in his vow.

Balarama did not join the war on wither side because he was the teacher for both Duryodhana and Bheema.

Krishna, who seems a man of stone, totally non emotional person is the all Supreme God. He did not have any MOTIVE at all. all else had some motive or the other. Krishna really did not play any role at all. He just flowed like a river!

All the characters in Mahabharata are some way or the other to be found in each one of us. It is known as the 5th Veda.


General topics / Karna
« on: April 22, 2009, 08:16:55 PM »
The most poignant character in Maharbharata is Karna. Soul Stirring. Oh Krishna! There is a lot of essence to learn from this song.

This is a very beautiful song form Tamil movie Karna about Karna:

Ullathil nalla ullam
Vallavan vaguthadhadaa, Karna
Varuvadhai edhirkolladaa.

The most beautiful amongst souls
Shall never fall to the fatal tell of time
Thus, say the greatest of men, Karna
Prepare for the fate that shall be thine.

Thaaikku nee magan illai
Thambikku annan illai
Oor pazhi etraayadaa
Naanum un pazhi kondenadaa

You aren't a son unto your own mother (referring to Kunti's desertion)
And not a brother to each of your sibling (the Pandavas)
Oh! How you bore the insinuations!
I too shall be your sinner by my cunning. (The ploys Krishna uses to bare Karna)

Mannavar paNi erkum
KaNNan paNi seyya
Unnadi paNivaanadaa
Manniththu arulvaayadaa, Karnaa

He who is served by the greatest kings
(That) Krishna, to serve you, is ready
By bowing to your magnanimity.
Karna, will you grace me with mercy?

Senjotru kadantheerka
Seraatha idam sairndhu
Vanjaththil viyinthayadaa, Karna
Vanjakan, Kannanadaa

To repay the hand that fed you
You pledged your loyalty to the vile Kauravaa
And fell in the trap of great deception, Karna.
(Though) the greatest knave is the son of Vasudeva.


Dear Subramanian,

Excellent Verses! The thinker ceases to exist in the 'I am' ness awareness. For in complete Atma Nishta there is no thoughts. 'I am' ness is full in itself. there are no more thoughts.

Dear Udai

This is what I was trying to tell in discussions in "Mandalasa Gita" thread. There will be no more thoughts or thinking. Atma Nishta is pure Mouna or Summa Iru. Stillness. There are no thoughts or thinking. Even in this state of 'I am' There is no feeling of I am Ness as well. Its used here only for our understanding, for feeling complete is also a thought by itself. 'I am' ness is Atma Nishta. Devoid of anything thoughts and thinkiing and any action or activity. absolute stillness.

I had been to Shirdi, Triambakeshwar and few other temples in Maharashtra. I enjoyed it. I could only see Sri Ramana Maharshi in Shirdi. For the Kakada Aarati, He was so graciously seated with benevolent smile just like Ramana. Sri Ramana is everywhere!


General topics / Re: Twenty Avataras of Vishnu
« on: April 11, 2009, 11:17:59 AM »

It is the same one who is expecting everything.

One is a Hindu, Christian, Muslim and Other at the same times. Its the only one which is expecting a Christ, Kalki, Buddha and Mahdi.


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Madalasa Upadesha
« on: April 11, 2009, 11:10:43 AM »
Dear Munagala,

True, one will eventually find that the Sage, the Books, all Teachings come from ones own Consciousness alone. Eventually He will realise that there is no Sage apart from ones own Consciousness, There is no one realised apart from ones own Consciousness alone.

The Consciousness is the source of everything, from Ignorence to Eternal.


General topics / Re: Twenty Avataras of Vishnu
« on: April 11, 2009, 09:55:40 AM »
Kalki is an Avatar of Vishnu seated on a horse who goes and destroys the wicked.

The significance of Horse is (knowledge eg. (hayaghreeva)) according to our Scriptures, and seated on it is Vishnu (Conscience) and to destroy the wicked in the Kali is by Knowledge alone. not by weapons or bloodshed.

It is destruction of neiscence in our own self - Bhagwan's Enquiry is the best example - By who am I we are killing the neiscence. In Kali Yuga, Vishnu takes an avatar in every Self alone and not physically!

When the enquiry begins, Vishnu has taken an Avatar!


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Madalasa Upadesha
« on: April 11, 2009, 09:43:28 AM »
Dear Munagala,

I am not telling anything new. Even the glorious Vedas and Upanishadas and teachings of Ramana echo this only. The Jagrit Swapna and Sushupti.  Sri Ramana himself told only the fourth i.e. Turiya alone is your nature!

The fact that we live in a physical plane itself is maya. There is no Physical Plane! Infact there are  no Planes at all! What is to "Live" what is "Living" ? Who is living ?

even the sleep that we normally have is also not the Turiya, If it is the reality, then why does one sleep (awake) again? Turiya is beyind this ! Understanding this is the Supreme Reality! It is the goal of any Sadhana. One has to really cross the ocean of samsara!

The Consciousness does not sleep at all! So who sleeps actually? Sleep only exists only when Jagrit Swapna Sushupti are there. In fact we are all only awakedly sleeping Dreaming (Jagrit Swapna Sushupti)!  we need to really wake up! wake up from the Jagrit Swapna and Sushupti! There is actually no awakening also, For the Consciousness is ever there - Turiya !   awakening is only for understanding for the person who is Sleeping!

"The fourth state is not that which is conscious of the subjective, nor that which is conscious of the objective, nor that which is conscious of both, nor that which is simple consciousness, nor that which is all-sentient mass, nor that which is all darkness. It is unseen, transcendent, the sole essence of the consciousness of self, the completion of the world."

- Mandukya Upanishad


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