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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Eckhart Tolle
« on: May 14, 2009, 09:47:34 PM »
Dear Subramanian,

 :)  God's creation is perfect beyond any doubt. There is not a lest bit of imperfection anywhere at all. Including the corrupt, Dirt, sewage, Excreta, Filth, Bad words, insult, and all those things that we Hate & etc... are also one of many aspects of the Great Lord. Since beyond doubt, we know that there is only one energy - Brahman - God, even the so called Satans, Evil Tantriks, Black Magicians also derive their energy from the same Pure single energy of the One Lord. In the same way, all knowledge, opinions and variations in interpretations and books etc... also represent the same glory of the Single Atman - Brahman in its own glorious way. Sri Ramana remained unmoved when miscreants urinated on him!

Truth is the light that cannot be hidden at all. In any place, in all places it shows itself like the High Beam striking at our eyes. when This Light is seen the rest (filth, doubt, controversial subject, etc...) also becomes part of that Light only.

I have come to find that the Truth is the same everywhere, it is the eternal consciousness. The Truth is but only the Truth alone. Call it Vedantic Truth, Bibilic Truth, Islamic Truth, Satanic Truth, the Black Magic Truth. With the consciousness, one is never scared about himself. He never changes. Even when trained by a Satan, Black Magician, Evil Tantriks. Or even when attacked by them. these all will be found to be only illusion!

It was only because of this that I was also able to appreciate U G Krishnamurty, His criticisms of Budha, Jesus & Shankara did not ridicule me. Because I know what a Budha, Shankara, Jesus really is - Consciousness.

Eckhart Tolle is an excellent thinker. His views very much correspond to our own Vedic lore.

Nagaraj


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Dear Udai,

Nice post! It is believed that Lakshmana had never slept during the entire 14 years of Vanavasam with Sri Rama and Sita. He remained awake when his beloved brother and sister in law slept, he stayed awake to keep an eye on surroundings for the safety of Sri Rama and Sita.

In this 'sadhana' of meditating as consciousness, one difficulty one passes through is that, in the effort to remain the consciousness, when certain situations demand a response or rather a response becomes mandatory, sometimes one does not know what the correct response should be. what should I do now? - kind of situations! This is called Dharmasankatam - either this or that - but which? In such cases, we can just respond either way and just leave it and see what happens eventually as the Consciousness - These are the key situations where the Doer-ship creeps in.

Nagaraj

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The Msytery of the Present moment can be made easy like this -  As long as you are conscious/aware or awareness - Witnessing You are in the Present Moment. Whenever you are Unconscious or not aware not witnessing you are either in Past or the Future.

It is this consciousness alone Sri Ramana taught to Sri Ganapathy Muni when he first Met The Great Sage -

He had met the yet-to-be-called Sri Ramana on the southern slopes of Arunachala. One day he was assailed by pains, troubles, doubts. He remembered that the young Swami was on the hill, and at midday, a little after noon, he climbed and found him sitting outside Virupaksha cave, alone. He prostrated and said, "All the scriptures that have to be read, I have read. All the mantras and japa that have to be done, I have done. Still I have no peace. Please save me." The young Swami took a little time. For at least fifteen minutes he silently gazed at him. Then in Tamil, he spoke. The English translation is simple:

"If one watches whence the notion 'I' arises, the mind is absorbed in That; that is tapas. When you recite a mantra, watch where the sound is coming from, within you; when you sing a song or prayer, watch where it is emanating from: your Heart. Put your attention on That. That is tyaga, that is TAPASYA, that is all."

Consciousness is THIS - watching the notion "I" arising - all the activities that go on. when one is aware of this i.e. being a witness to all that is happening That is being described here by Ramana. This is being in the NOW or the present Moment. when this watching is not there - one is lost in either past of the future.

When you are the Consciousness there is no Future or Past because it is not possible to become aware/conscious for your past or your future! Both are not there. If at all you want to be conscious or aware are be the consciousness It is only possible NOW and only now This Very Moment. any planning for future or thinking about whether you ever were aware of this conscious in the past is all part of past.

This is Tapasya - It is Tapas as long as it becomes your True Nature - Your natural state. Sri Ramana always remained as this consciousness - the eternal I.

Nagaraj



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Dear Vinita / Udai,

I just remembered Arjuna in the Battlefield when I read this written by Udai -

But irrespective of the mental habits ... once one knows one is the Consciousness ... how does it matter what habits are there of mind ? who cares to change. one just remains as consciousness ... this too is proper attitude.

We are all verily Arjuna stuck in the Battlefield of Life in search of "Enlightenment" and Krishna is nothing but the "Consciousness" one this Krishna (Consciousness) took over Arjuna, none of his actions were able to affect him. He got the wisdom (rather he is the wisdom itself!) and did not bother about his actions of killing his own blood relatives. His Vasanas - Habits did not anymore affect him. He became a SthithaPryagna. Arjuna is said to be Nara Narayana. Like the unification of Shiva and Shakti, this is the unification of Nara and Narayana.

Later even when Arjuna heard the death of Krishna, all other pandavas cried with pain at the loss of Krishna whereas Arjuna was least affected!

What ever opinions or thinking happens just be aware of it. being aware of itself is consciousness. no need to analyse or bother. Let the analysis happen. Let the process go on with your awareness! initially you can start acknowledging your own thoughts to it by saying "ok", "Oh, is it?", "I see", "Good, Great, carry on", etc... as though you are corresponding to another person and letting that person be and carry on his/her duties. once you get a grip of this "I" nothing will affect you. For all the role is not being played by you for you are that "I" the awareness or consciousness. the one that is playing the role, thinking, analysing is the Not you. Don't worry about the Mystery of "you" awareness/consciousness and the "Actor" on the "Non-I" the unconsciousness who does all actions!

:)

Nagaraj

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Dear Udai :)

Infact my post is an inspiration form Echart Tolle's book only. It is one book that has influenced me so much. It has widened and broadened my outlook towards Spirituality and enlightenment. Its definitely a wonderful book for any person who is on a spiritual journey. His teachings are so lucid and more importantly PRACTICE-ABLE.

I have heard about Thich Nhat Hanh, and I know he was a Buddhist teacher whose teachings are quite similar to those  of Echart's, but I have not got a chance to read his teachings. I will check out the website you have provided.

Like you said, :) even I have wondered and felt happy many times conversing with you over topics here. Firstly, I was set at rest because when I saw your replies and your points, I could see the same quest in you just as mine in the same way! I also felt that Ok!, I seem to be going on the correct path and not backwards :). I don't see myself as an orthodox student of spirituality, I mean, I am quite open to various interpretations of the grand Truth. I always appreciate the Truth in most abstract forms. There are so many perspectives. Its like the moon, the sun and the stars look the same from where ever you see it, from any country! ( :D Yep! there is no route !)

True, one cannot but be a witness always. reminding oneself as the witness is to only to become aware of ones true Nature - the eternal I.
Whether one is aware or not, one is always a witness. But if one is not conscious about this, He becomes Witnessed - This is the Key here - to remain as just the Witness and not Witnessed or Witnessing...  This is the difference between Conscious awareness -Witness or witness-er or the "I" and Unconscious awareness - Witnessed!

Thanks Udai :), in many ways you too have played a key role in making me understand things when I went haywire. I too pray to you, Brother! Sri Ramana be with you always!

Love,
Nagaraj


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General topics / Re: Handling of Depression
« on: May 13, 2009, 04:43:46 PM »
Dear Munagala

This roughly translates like this - (Very limited sanskrit knowledge  Excuses Please  ::) )

Om - Pranava Mantra
Hreem / Dum - These are Bija Mantras
uththishta purushi - The Goddess who awakens everyone/ Who rises everyone above who pray to her
kim svapishi Bhayam may samupasThitham - Then how can fear / or dreams come to one who prays to the Uththishta Purushi
yadi sakya masakyam - Suppose possible becomes impossible
tanmay bhagavathi samaya - reach out to Bhagawati

Maybe somebody else will be able to translate it better :) I feel Udai  can do it better!

Nagaraj

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The more you are identified with thinking, your likes and dislikes, judgments and interpretations, which is to say less present you are as the watching consciousness, the stronger the emotional energy will be, whether you are aware of it or not. If you cannot feel your emotions, if you are cut off from them, you will eventually experience them on a purely physical level, as a physical problem or symptom.

If you notice, people who carry a lot of anger inside without being aware of it  and without expressing it are more likely to be attacked, verbally or even physically, by other angry people, and often for no apparent reason.

Its important to keep track of what's going on inside you at this moment. It is very necessary to focus ones attention internally and feel the energy of the emotion within. There is no need to analyse, just mere watching would suffice.

One of the main tasks of mind is to fight or remove that emotion, what ever it may be - likes and dislikes can be summed up in one term - "pain". Anything in excess is always an imbalance in the emotional energy within. Too much pleasure or too much pain is always an imbalance within. The mind can never achieve its goal - to remove that "pain". all but it can achieve is to only cover it up temporarily. The harder the mind struggles to get rid of pain, the greater the pain. One has to understand that the mind can never find a solution, because, it itself is an intrinsic part of the "problem"

The more practical approach would be to not try or not seek to become free of the "problem". Become present. Be there as an observer of the mind. Be awake, Here and Now.

The greater part of Human pain is unnecessary. It is Self-Created as long as the unabsorbed mind runs your life. The Pains or Likes or Dislikes is always some form of nonacceptance, some form unconscious resistance to what is, on the level of thought, the resistance if some form of judgment. ON emotional level, it is some form of negativity.

The intensity of pain depends on the the degree of if resistance to the Present Moment and this in turn depends on how strongly  you are identified with your mind. That is to say "Unabsorbed Mind" When you are not watching your thoughts - "Not Watching"!

The better way is - the more you are able to honor and accept the NOW - Present Moment, the more you are free of pain, of suffering - and free of egoic mind.

All you have to do is just WATCH - thats all. you don't have to do a thing to solve your problem. Feel the emotional energy within - when you are aware alive watching within, the pain fades away, you are least affected by it.

Accept - Then Act. What ever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it, make it your friend and ally, not your enemy. This will miraculously transform you whole life.

Every emotional pain that you experience leaves behind a residue of pain that lives on in you. it merges withe the pain from the past. which was already there, and becomes lodged in your mind and body. This, of course, includes the pain you suffered as a child, caused by the unconsciousness of the world into which you were born - that is you did not know to watch within or watch you mind and its thoughts.

The reality is that the "pain" wants to survive, its survival depends on YOU - it wants you to be unconscious - Unabsorbed Mind - Not watching it. It is its food - Your unconsciousness - your remain unawakened! (Be awake, Be alive the moment).

Pain can only feed on pain, Pain cannot feed on Joy - your natural state - state of awaken-ness, alive.

Remember this, the pain is afraid of CONSCIOUSNESS, ALIVENESS, Be here and now. Be the Observer. This means It (Pain, Likes, Dislikes) cannot use you anymore. It can use you only when you are unaware, sleeping, unconsciousness.

WATCH!

Nagaraj

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General topics / Shortest road to Self Realisation
« on: May 11, 2009, 09:46:26 PM »
No way is short or long, but some people are more in earnest and some are less. I can tell you about myself. I was a simple man, but I trusted my Guru. What he told me to do, I did. He told me to concentrate on 'I am' -- I did. He told me that I am beyond all perceivables and conceivables -- I believed. I gave him my heart and soul, my entire attention and the whole of my spare time (I had to work to keep my family alive). As a result of faith and earnest application, I realised my self (swarupa) within three years.

- Nisargadatta Maharaj

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General topics / How does one go beyond the mind?
« on: May 11, 2009, 09:41:28 PM »
There are many starting points -- they all lead to the same goal. You may begin with selfless work, abandoning the fruits of action; you may then give up thinking and end in giving up all desires. Here, giving up (tyaga) is the operational factor. Or, you may not bother about any thing you want, or think, or do and just stay put in the thought and feeling 'I am', focussing 'I am' firmly in your mind. All kinds of experience may come to you -- remain unmoved in the knowledge that all perceivable is transient, and only the 'I am' endures.

- Nisargadatta Maharaj

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We look into the mirror everyday and see who we are - We look into our face, our eyes, hair, etc... for a moment Just walk aside the mirror and what do you see? there is no reflection at all! again walk back towards the mirror and see again your face, eyes, nose, hair, etc... Talk to yourself seeing the mirror, Oh, This is how I look today, my hair seems to be graying, etc... like this so many times a day we talk and think about  the real Self - "My Hair", "My eyes", "My Body", "My skin", etc... Have you ever wondered who is this "MY" is? we keep using this words 'I' and 'My' so many number of times each day and all most in every conversation that we have.

We affirm the real Self each time when we say "My this" or "My that"... but we do it unconsciously. Just try and practice doing these consciously. Next time when you look into the mirror, be aware when you see your reflection and when you think subconsciously - "My Hair is graying", "My eyes are beautiful", "My skin is glowing", "I am looking fat and I need to reduce weight" etc.... what ever it may be. If you are consciously alive, you will be able to see your thoughts. Once you are consciously alive, you will be sure when you say " My Hair" or "My eyes" etc... that I am THAT "MY" alone and not get identified with attributes like Body, Hair, eyes, etc...

Like this, in every moment, we keep affirming the Self without our consciousness. Try and be alive - really Be here and now, when you walk feel the weight of your body and the touch that connects your feet and the Mother Earth - walk graciously with reverence to Mother Earth. When you see, see with reverence that You are seeing Your own glory or the Lord Almighty, when you touch yourself - touch with full awareness. when you scratch your skin when the mosquito bites, do it graciously with utmost care. When you are talking to somebody, talk with great reverence as though you are talking to Sri Ramana Maharshi, When you breathe, breathe consciously. This one thing alone is sufficient - being aware of your each and every breath. breath in completely and slowly and steadily - Give yourself enough air to breath in and breath out slowly acknowledging your true nature. Like this you will always be HERE and NOW. The challenge is to sustain it continually. This is possible when you are consciously alive always and celebrate everything that is happening around you. Feel the Air touching you from the fan or outside and thank Vayu for proving air to you. when you drink water, drink with full awareness - feel the water go into your food pipe and cool your intestine and reach your stomach - You can feel - just be attentive I practice this. when you eat - eat with full awareness - relish the taste of the food and let your tongue enjoy completely - Let the Taste buds really enjoy themselves. Be alive. Eat SLOWLY. Even attending the Nature calls do it with full awareness. What went in is going out. Even when you are typing here in your computer press the buttons in the key board graciously like as if you are massaging your Guru. When you see something see it as if you are seeing the beautiful image of Lord Krishna or your own Ishta Devatha....

This is so Easy - Being alive all moments is so easy and so pleasurable. Try it and you will be happy and also people around you will be happy by your presence. You will be generating so much energy around you - the Energy of Love, Celebration, and Joy!

sustain the knowledge that You are THAT and not who you think you are!

Nagaraj

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Kaupeena Panchakam by Sri Adi Shankaracharya
This is a very short poem with five stanzas written by Shankaracharya which glorifies the life of a Sannyasi. A Sadhu renounces every thing before entering in to Sannyas, and wears only a kaupina aka kaupeena (loin cloth). That too is for the sake of the world.

Vedantha Vakhyeshu Sada ramantho,
Bhikshannamathrena trishtimantha,
Vishokamantha karane charantha,
Kaupeenavantha Khalu bhaghyavantha -1

Who is reveling in the thoughts of Vedantic declarations,
Whom does a meager portion of begged-food satisfy,
Who is walking around without a trace of sorrow
The man with just the loincloth is indeed the lucky one. -1



Moolam tharo kevalam ashrayantha,
Panidhvayam bhokthuma manthrayantha,
Kandhamiva sreemapi kuthsayantha,
Kaupeenavantha Khalu bhaghyavantha -2

Who rests (sleeps) at the roots of a tree,
Taking only two hands-full of food
Who is disregarding wealth as a torn piece of cloth
The man with just the loincloth is indeed the lucky one. -2



Swananda bhava pari thushti mantha,
Sushantha sarvendriya vruthi mantha,
Aharnisam brahma sukhe ramantha,
Kaupeenavantha Khalu bhaghyavantha - 3

Always contented in the joy of ones own self
Who is peaceful by curbing desires his senses
Who is immersed day and night in the bliss of Brahman
The man with just the loincloth is indeed the lucky one. -3


Dehadhi bhavam parivarthayantha,
Swathmana athmanyavalokayantha,
Naantha na Madhyam na bahi smarantha,
Kaupeenavantha Khalu bhaghyavantha - 4


Always witnessing the changes of his own body,
Who is seeing himself as the Self, the changeless,
And who never bothers to think about the end, middle and outside (of the world),
The man with just the loincloth is indeed the lucky one. -4


Brahmaksharam pavanamucharantho,
Brahmahamasmeethi vibhavayantha,
Bhikshashano dikshu paribramayantha,
Kaupeenavantha Khalu bhaghyavantha - 5


Always singing the sacred glory of Brahman, the eternal
Always contemplating that ‘I am Brahman’,
Who is wandering around just on alms obtained,
The man with just the loincloth is indeed the lucky one. -5


Nagaraj

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Dear Nobody,

One way which I follow is this -

By understanding, I know and have learned that I am not this Body. I am definitely something different from my body. I don't know Who am I. But I know that I am not the eyes, but I am some thing else that sees through my eyes but does not see and similarly I am That something which is breathing in and out but does not breathe. I am something that feels the touch in my skin but does not feel, etc... Like this I know I am THAT Something Else and DEFINITELY not this body.

When Likes and Dislikes come to me, I just tell to my self or rather remind myself that I am THAT something else (Which is called the Atma) and not this Body of mine. This Likes and Dislikes is not for Me and I am not this Body but THAT something else. By this atleast I am able to handle things better.

I do this exercise of reminding myself that I am something else and not this body. Make of Fake but keep reminding yourself your true nature.

I know by my understanding that my True Nature is devoid of any likes and dislikes. Keep affirming everyday every moment your own True Nature.

Remind yourself What your are NOT. At least we can affirm WHAT WE KNOW - That we are NOT This!

Nagaraj




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General topics / Re: Handling of Depression
« on: May 08, 2009, 09:27:41 AM »
      Dear Subramanian,

      Yes its very inspiring to see the kitchen workers and book shop workers in Ramanashram. No holidays even! We should be least bit complaining here in this world :)


Do not expect that you can be free of depression instantly and forever just because you want that to happen. However, you can treat the disease of depression or lessen its occurrence by adopting various methods:

  • You can cure many cases of depression by a deeper insight into the problem or misunderstanding that is bothering you. In some cases you may ward off depression by the exercise of your will power alone.

  • Practice Hatha Yoga and Praanayama (Breathing) exercises  whenever you feel your spirit is beginning to sink. These Satvic exercises bring harmony and balance to the mind and body. Or swim or jog or go for an invigorating walk in a beautiful natural setting. Just changing the atmosphere often causes your depressed mood to give way to a cheerful one.

  • Do not give serious attention to negative thoughts. They are baseless. As you help your mind regain its strength, these thoughts will disappear.

  • Look your problems straight in the eye and realise that adversity is a great teacher with a divine purpose. It helps you to overhaul your personality so that things hiding in your consciousness are brought to the surface. When you are strong enough, Nature has mysterious  way o bringing  you the right challenging situations for your evolution. Through each difficult situation, Nature seems to whisper, "Can I tell you a secret? It is going to be a little painful, and perhaps depressing, but there is no choice. You have to know it."

...... To be Continued (Handling Depression Artistically)


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General topics / Re: The Differences
« on: May 08, 2009, 09:09:12 AM »
Dear Karthikeyan, :)

Let alone Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva and others who propounded theories be! Why don't you find out the truth yourself? Why to follow or believe or accept any theories? may be its none of these - Advaita, Dvaita or Visishtadvaita! could be! who knows? the best course is to find out yourself!

Really, find out who is the Ramanuja Shankara or Madhva? I found out that They are all not different from me. They are all verily me. There is a Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva in me - I and not in the books or past or history or mythology.

The first lesson in Vedanta spirituality (as said by Vyasa) is that one should not simply believe anything written here but one has to understand, feel and only when one is convinced and becomes That should one accept what is being taught. Therefore find out for yourself what is THERE actually.

In your post, you have listed the set of points of Ramanuja against Advaita written by somebody on the Internet world according to his own understanding. Similarly why don't you list set of your own points on what you have understood? Validate your own self and not Shankara or Ramanuja or Madhva. Infact they are not going to offer any help to you! thats the reality!

The Reality is that there are no answers or confirmations or validations of what is Right or Wrong or what is Correct or False from anybody. Ultimately you will have to validate all of them by your own self. So why not investigate yourself?

Infact, There are no theories for the TRUTH. in some ways, Shankara, Ramanuja and Madhva have only caused damage by propounding their theories including Buddha.

Investigating on these theories is only waste of time!

In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says -

uddhared atmanatmanam
natmanam avasadayet
atmaiva hy atmano bandhur
atmaiva ripur atmanah


A man must elevate himself by his own mind, not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well. Ramana has said ones own Self is ones Guru. That Self is the GURU you see whoever it may be!

Therefore, It rests only on you alone and not on Shankara or Ramanuja or Madhva or Buddha or anybody else.

We only read commentaries of Bhagavad Gita and various other Vedantic texts written by some one. Why not read it yourself and validate the real essence of Vetantic verses by yourself and not try to validate the commentator's interpretations! why to read the interpretations of others? By doing this one will progress faster whereas if one gets stuck with the theories of Shankara or Ramanuja or Madhva or Buddha, it will only halt ones progress spiritually!

Instead, just take the word by word meaning of the Sanskrit words in the Verses and try and comprehend the essence of the Verse by your own understanding. Sometimes the commentary is just pollution! you may compare your own understanding with the commentary and validate the commentator yourself rather accepting what the commentator says. Most times I find the commentaries Too much waste information. Its simply Dust!

Ramana Maharshi never knew Advaita or Dvaita or Visishtadvaita! Actually he did not set any theories. He only happened to discover at later years that his own understanding matched with NOT Shankara's but the Scriptures - The Upanishads and Vedas!

So why not find out yourself!

It would be great for you as well as all of us if you put forward your own questions through your own analysis rather put forth somebody else's analysis and points

:)

Nagaraj




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General topics / Re: Gnana, Bhakti and Yoga
« on: May 06, 2009, 11:32:28 PM »
You are correct Dear Subramanian, All paths finally lead one to the path of Gnana.

Sankara says in Vivekachoodamani about action and knowledge
Chittasya shudhaye karma na tu vasthoopalabdhaye
Vasthu siddhir vicharena na kinchit karma kotibhih

Actions are for purification of the mind alone and not for realization or knowledge of an existing entity. Vasthu or knowledge about an existing entity (realization of the only existing entity which is Brahman) is achieved through ENQUIRY alone and not through thousands of karma.

Ramana Maharshi says in Upadesa Saaram

Kaaya vaan manah kaaryam uttamam
Poojanam japah chintanam kramaat

Work done by body, words and mind is greater to one another in order. The action performed through body is Pooja or offering. The actions performed through words are JAPA or Chanting. The action performed through mind is contemplation or meditation

Nagaraj


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