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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 07:09:37 PM »
Dear I,

"I have come to the firm conclusion that I am nothing, I have no design, no color, I have no image of myself.
In the early morning when the waking state happens, that kiss of beingness appears, vibrant in the entire universe, and vibrating in myself".


Just remember every moment every second nothing happens to you compare to deep sleep sstate. There is no you, "that kiss of beingness" only vibrating during the period which seems to be your waking state.

Yes at most what I can do at most only affirm I's limitedness. what can this I do? it cannot do a thing! What this I can do is only affirm that It does not know. it can just give up!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 07:00:16 PM »
Dear I,

You have just mentioned the same question what I just raised:

When human being jumps he doesn't think at that moment, the thinking happens after/before actual event. The thinker is born after/before actual event. Is it not?

Thats what I am asking!, See the jumping only occurs because the thinking happens before or after the event! Can we say jumping happened automatically here? the thinking before has caused the jumping! and thinking afterwards will result in something else!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 10:47:53 AM »
Now,

when the role has to do, respond, what happens here? Does not the role move according to what the director decides? But then how does the role continue? There must be someone to direct it right? which says ok, do this, do that!

Where as the consciousness is just a witness right? how should it matter to it what the role does?

We need to analyse and understand the Kartutvam here.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 10:44:47 AM »
Dear I,

the discussion is more concerned about practical real life self enquiry.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 10:42:35 AM »
Dear I,

Lets keep aside this aspect, about Role merging to self and all. That true that there is no Merging a all, its a delusion. But the discussion is about how to deal it with practical aspect, real time, how are we to deal with the situations, for ex: the illustration ABCDE, what does one do here?

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 31, 2009, 07:52:39 AM »
Dear I,

Yes, That was the question here. The one that is directing the role is the role itself. Its true that one must lose oneself totally, then everything happpens spontaneously.

"Let us just be without any exclusion of anything that happens. That is us." - is just still only a knowledge right for the role? Therefore when you say "Let us be without any exclusion of anything......" is it not just a role that is deciding this? Because the consciousness is not bothered whether you  decide to be without any exclusion of anything that happens! One one that is saying "That is us." is it not the role again? Is there any necessity for Consciousness to state that it is this? exclusion of all these.....

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:55:36 PM »
Dear I,

I am having to move out a little, now, cant log on for another couple of hours. These Vasanas from outside, require me to move out of Comp now  ;D catch you later,

Bye

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:47:24 PM »
But then, when the role has to do, respond, what happens here? Does not the role move according to what the director decides? But then how does the role continue? There must be someone to direct it right? which says ok, do this, do that!

Where as the consciousness is just a witness right? how should it matter to it what the role does?

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:35:36 PM »
Karturaajnaya Praapyate Phalam,
Karma Kim Phalam Karma Tajjadam

By the will of the Creator, action bears fruit. Is
action, then, supreme? No, it is inert, unconscious.

We have read and learnt that really the Doer, or the Kartutva is not us but verily the God, or the Self. But in sticky situations, (It seems like) we are supposed/forced to DO SOMETHING, ,,, like in my illustration ABCDEF

There is a need to go through this properly.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:32:27 PM »
Dear I,

Like you day, yes, thats probably the best 'I' can do... and keep going. probably, like a ripe fruit that falls from the tree on its own accord, some time or the other other, it - role has to go.... will fall of on its own accord.

The thing that was causing a hindrance is that, the 'I' is ready to accept what comes to it, but there is confusion in executing the actions, as to what has to be really done.... like I mentioned in my previous post with an illustration, what does the person do with A B C D E....

Here what comes into the picture is Kartutva, Doership.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:12:55 PM »
Dear I,

But then, the one that is affirming that the one troubled is not I but only the role such as father etc... is again just one more character right? Because the Consiousness is not troubled in reality, it is not bothered actually whether the character is troubled or not or whether the I is relieved of the trouble or not. So is it not the same 'I' that invents one more character - Witness? So what is happening is that when 'I' affirms that it is not I but just the role, and not 'I' but just the mind, is it not involuntarily, unknowingly playing another character of that of a one who is affirming that it is not this role, but I am the one who is appropriating the roles respectively. So this becomes another role in itself. Its like, in a movie, when the Hero is threatened, the director or the seer, introduces a supporting character to ease the role of the Hero...

But is it not still a character? Its like when the bulb gets fused, we are just replacing it with another bulb, or if the bulb is not giving enough light, we are just replacing it with another high wattage bulb that gives more light or a character that is just able to cope with the situation.

Therefore in the end, what is happening is that the movie just continues and 'I' continues to watch the movie.



'I' just feel, there is something more to investigate, enquire here. Yes at the same time I am also aware that this itself is a hindrance as well. I sense it is something very simple, and it takes no effort at all. But still its like, So near Yet so far, though there is no distance to it or is it a destiny as well.

I have noticed, for all the Vasanas that are of self itself, own vasanas, we are able to apply the Self Enquiry and affirm and ease out, but when the vasanas are from non-self (seems like) then there is absolutely no grip at all.

Salutations to Sri Ramana


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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:50:51 PM »
Dear I,

To analyse this exercise more practically, When the situation seems more demanding, to rightly put it, when we say that Vasanas are having a strong hold, like in real life situations, when say, for example, your loved one is behaving in a way he/she ought not be like that, who does not listen to you, and continues to be like that. How to exercise Self enquiry here, for one hand A is behaving badly, B is being insulted, hurt, C is asking you to look in and check A's temper, A is not listening at all, who remains totally adamant. B is still being insulted, is demanding to see his side truth hurt. C is still forcing. A is totally justifying its Stand of losing its temper.

What can a person do here.

1. Whether to remain silent and see who is it that is seeing all this, discriminate all these as illusions and remain at peace
2. Whether to listen to C's request and try and control A, who is still not listening, heeding at all, then remain at peace of being contented fr doing just the duty
3. B, who is being insulted, hurt is expecting some help, pulling the person to his side and see his truth
4. Whether to listen to A's stand of his reason to lose temper which is being justified.
5. after all the probable options, if one is to be just by himself not getting involved absolutely, all of them A B C D E F and off course all family, don't just let him be by himself. They expect this person to simply do something. When He actually does something, one of the persons A B C D E F .... take him to task....

What does one do?

If one has to ignore all these absolutely, then Sanyasam is only way right? Any which ways one or more persons are always left dissatisfied and demand action from this one. But this person is not interested in all these at all. How to exercise Self Enquiry here!
 
Salutations to Sri Ramana

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General topics / Madhura Bhakti - Gopikas Selling Milk, Curds..
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:33:08 PM »
It is really so delightful to see thee Gopikas on the streets to sell milk and curds in their pails that were kept one upon the other on their heads. A Gopika was determined to sell buttermilk, contemplated on the Divine Feet of Bala Murali, entirely forgetting herself, uttered in bliss Govinda! Oh Damodara! Oh Madhava... they usually call out loudly, "milk!", "curds!" beckoning people to come. But strangely they have forgotton themselves and are moving around calling - "Govinda!", "Damodara", "Madhava", "Muralidhara"... They have forgotten the very purpose of their visit. One would wonder if they would have rebirth? Will they ever be born again? What a gifted souls they were! They are really blessed!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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Dear I,

Yes, thats true. Eventually, he has to see it himself, and will see that He - Itself is That Self - Mumbai.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Self Inquiry?
« on: December 30, 2009, 01:55:27 PM »
Dear I,

Very true words! Same words from Ramana Maharshi goes like this:

"It is said “I AM that I AM”. That means a person must abide as the ‘I’. He is always the ‘I’ alone. He is nothing else. Yet he asks “Who am I?” A victim of illusion would ask “Who am I?” and not a man fully aware of himself. The wrong identity of the Self with the non-self makes you ask, “Who am I?”

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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