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General Discussion / Re: Meditation - eyes open ,eyes closed
« on: March 05, 2010, 08:03:20 AM »
Dear I,

Firstly, we need to introspect and see, which eyes, we are talking about. So long you are able to meditate, thats what counts, it does not matter if your eyes are open or closed or half open or half closed. when you are meditating why bother about the eyes are closed or not, just enquire about the 'I' which is able to cognise whether the eyes are open or closed.

I am reminded about the famous verses from Kena Upanishad, it will be of much use to your introspection:

Not that which the eye can see, but that whereby the eye can see: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the ear can hear, but that whereby the ear can hear: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which speech can illuminate, but that by which speech can be illuminated: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore;

Not that which the mind can think, but that whereby the mind can think: know that to be Brahman the eternal, and not what people here adore.

We dont see through our eyes, our eyes are just like the camera, we are that which/who see through the camera or eyes. And really, when we are truly meditating, we, as in 'I' will not be there to see all these, whether eyes are open, ears are hearning, whether there is a body, etc...

Who am 'I' to whom all these doubts are arising to? The doubter and his source have to be enquired upon, Sri Ramana says!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General Discussion / Re: The value of Certificates
« on: March 04, 2010, 08:42:23 PM »
Dear I,

That was just an initial reaction. There is no contentions against your point! Thats truth! Its just natural, a (Guru) who is said to have over 2.5 lacs + followers, is bound to cause anxiety to those who are true and sincere aspirants of Truth.

This person called himself "Paramahamsa" Sanyasin and Paramahamsa is the highest order of Sanyasam. He carried with him, on his shoulders, lacs and lacs of devotees hopes and faith.

In a country, which is known as the land of great sages and saints, we are in times where such a highly respectable (state) is used for such ignoble activities. Interestingly, this person hails from Tiruvannamalai.

Well, all these are just speculations, no body knows the truth! It is actually of no importance or relevance to 'I' as such. But heart feels for those lacs of devotees who have laid such respects and belief on a Guru who seems dubious. Faith, today is already a rare boon, if Guru's themselves are to be doubted, it is a voice of concern.

Yes, the truth is truth, one should learn who is a true Guru who is a false Guru etc... but irrespective of whether a person is true or false, his teachings remain untouched, it is the light of knowledge that we should venerate as a Guru and not the body of a person which is just inert!

But yes, Sanathana Dharma has passed toughest test of times over centuries after centuries, this is nothing in such big scale of time! Splashing mud on saints - just meant that such a venerated (position) (state) of highest Sanyasa order such as 'Paramahamsa' is played with.

Like there is respect for seats. The Seat of a Judge is respect worthy, the Seat of President of India which held the gracious presence of personbs like Abdul Kalam is respect worthy. When such respect worthy seat is used for filthy games, it is, what to say, just feel not nice about it!

Sad part is that masses, only know a fake after such incidents. Untill then, such a person is venerated as a "Jagad Guru"

Off course, there is actually no mud splash on saints, it is not to be taken literally!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I's

I personally feel, this topic deserves to be locked!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General Discussion / Re: The value of Certificates
« on: March 03, 2010, 04:11:24 PM »
This Nithyananda news has been very hot today in south Indian TV channels.

Don't know about its truth, but such news are hurting the sentiments of people. It is a mud splash on the glorious lives of saints.

This is Kali. What more to say? One more of Fake Gurus

Salutations to Sri Ramana

All that goes up, has to come down.

Dust to Dust, Ashes to Ashes.

This is the concept of putting Vibhuti or ashes on our forehead everyday. Everything, every ideas, concepts, this side, that side, body, etc... all will be burned eventually.

Death if inevitable for all that is born!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The topic sounds like a wrestling match!!   

Well, most wrestling matches are fixed I hear.......

Who is the winner here? Neither Maharshi nor Maharaj, but the refree - 'I' the reigning & undefeated Champion !!! :D

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Mantras / Shlokas
« on: February 27, 2010, 03:10:38 PM »
Dear I,

It is so refreshing. Chanting Mantras, Vedas are always great refreshers, mind quietener, tremendous vibrations of grace is easily perceivable.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Naama Japa
« on: February 26, 2010, 11:04:15 PM »
As advised by Nanasaheb Chandorkar his wife used to do Naam-Jap regularly. Once when She was sitting near Sai Baba in Shirdi, He said, "My mother you grind a lot of grains, but the outcome is useless."

Sai Baba was referring to the chanting or remembrance of God's name in a mechanical way. When the name is chanted, sung or remembered, it should have the feeling of love, bhava, with it. When we call our near and dear ones, there is an element of love in that, when we call a complete stranger on the road it is different,than a mother calls her little child. So the name of God, chanted or remembered, without any love or feeling is useless.

Baba (Shirdi Sai Baba) jokingly used to say to Nana, "Nana, amongst all these people, there is not even a single swan? There are just crows!"

Salutations to Sri Ramana

All fear is only the fear of unknown. Instead of searching and knowing the unknown, it is best advised (as per the Maharshi) to focus on what is known that is the Self, the (feeling) of 'I am' let aside everything else, but this (feeling) of 'I am' never remains unknown at all times. This (feeling) of 'I am' is that which the sword cannot pierce, fire cannot burn, the water cannot melt, the air cannot dry. There is absolutely no harm at all for (this). It is in destructible! what is there apart from (this) to fear about!

All fear is just the same fear as in when one fears to jump int the waters to learn swimming, but all fear disappears when once one jumps pass through the water!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Humour / Re: Learning Silence
« on: February 26, 2010, 08:25:06 AM »
Just a small pointer I felt to share - The more we try to learn about silence, the more we are going away from it! Who is the 'I' that has come about to learn Silence. Who am I to whom these thoughts are arising to?

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

Yes, the enquiry as to who am 'I' to whom these thoughts are arising has to be carried out. Once there is a recognition of delusion, it is a (progress) made, recognition of such a delusion is tremendous grace in itself.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I's,

It is only the same 'I' communicating to the same 'I', 'I' conversing with 'I', who is this 'I'? untill this is enquired and till when there is no 'I' till then 'I' continues.

'I' has to give up, It can't know, it knows it can't but still persists so that it can continue for ever, its only agenda - to keep going!

Whether one says 'I' is realised or
Whether one says 'I' is not realised or
Whether one is absolutely neutral to both of the above

All are one and the same - 'I' it is the same 'I' -

The Maharshi says in Ramana Hridayam -

हासार्हं भवति द्वयं च गदितं जाने न मामित्यहं
जाने मामिति चोदितं विषयतां स्वस्यैव नेतुं स्वयं ।
आत्मानं किमु कस्यचिद्वद भवेदात्मद्वयं कुत्रचित्
आत्मैको भवतीति विद्ध्यनुभवाल्लोके समस्तस्य च ॥ (38)

The two statements, 'I do not know myself' and 'I know myself', are equally ridiculous. Does anyone, anywhere have two selves, so that the self can become an object of knowledge to himself? Know from the common experience of all men alike that the real Self is only one.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

I have a couple of points to share about Nandi,

Nandi was/is the Guru of Tirumular, the great saint who gave us the great work Tirumantiram. To me I have always felt that Nandi is our Higher Self, our uplifting self, just like how Krishna says in the Gita,

udharet atmana atmanamatmanamavasadayeta
atma eva hi atmanah bandhuh atma eva ripuh atmanah

One should lift himself up by own efforts and should not degrade himself because one's own self is his own friend, and one's own self is his own enemy.

Nandi becomes our uplifting friend and always turn towards Siva, which is our pure and real nature. It signifies that we should always meditate (looking) upon our true Self (Shiva).

Another significance is that Nandi is Jivaatma and Siva is Paramaatma, and Jiva has to always meditate on Paramaatma, which is what is signified in temples where Nandi always looks at Siva.

It is also said that no one should walk in between the space, i.e. block the view of Nandi towards, it signifies to me that we should not let any distractions come by in our Sadhana on meditating our real Self - Siva.

The concept of Siva sitting upon Nandi also signifies the destruction of Ego, i.e. just like what Bhagavan has said that the the Ego(Nandi) is the Seat of the Self/Siva.

Also there is a practice that we should look at the Linga only through the ears of Nandi before we enter the Ganbha Griha. It signifies that, when we look through the ears of Nandi, that we should always look and listen - Sravana and Manana only about our real Nature - Siva.

Bull also signifies lethargy, laziness, and all the other Tamasic and Rajasic qualities, through the Sandhana of Sravana/Manana - looking/meditating always without deviating from any desires and allow the Jivatama become Paramaatma.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Some points as picked up from Maha Yoga -
The Sage explains to us that the unalloyed, complete and timeless bliss of the Egoless State is due to the fact that the ego — itself the root of discontent, desire, and the fever of activity — is dead once for all, so that it can no more raise its ugly head. “As a small animal cannot raise its head when the ocean overflows, so this little ego cannot raise its head in the State of Illumination (by the pure Consciousness).

Egolessness is impersonality. Now we shall ask ourselves the question: Which is greater, personality or impersonality? Personality seems to be something, and impersonality nothing. But that is because we do not easily see that personality is limitation to a body, while impersonality is just the absence of all limitation. In both there is the same Consciousness. Personality is consciousness cabined, cribbed and confined, and impersonality is Consciousness as It really is, unconfined, infinite and pure.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

Both are true, This is correct, That is correct, everything is absolutely correct! What I feel is that Advaita is true, Dwaita is also true, Visishtadvaita is also true, Sunys is also true. Anything and everything is always pointing only towards the Self alone at all times.

Bhagavans answers were tailor made for each devotees based on their 'pakva'

All this are just a food for the intellect which just seeks more and more food. Really it does not matter whether there is duality during practice or advaita during practice, by analysing thus, we are just deviating from enquiring the I and focusing or defining what state 'I' am in now!

Self Enquiry is beyond Advaita, Dwaita, Visishtadvaita, Sunya, etc... like Bhagavan has said, that Turiya, which is said to be the 4th state is really not a state but is just told to one who enquires, but it is irrelevant.

A true seeker does not really bother about understanding states, but just focus on the 'I' that has sprouted! Everything else is just disturbance and mind - 'Samsara'

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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