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General Discussion / Re: Gems from Samskrutam
« on: August 23, 2016, 12:04:54 AM »
मनुष्याणां सहस्रेषु कश्चिद्यतति सिद्धये ।
यततामपि सिद्धानां कश्चिन्मां वेत्ति तत्त्वतः ॥

manuṣyāṇāṃ sahasreṣu kaścidyatati siddhaye,
yatatāmapi siddhānāṃ kaścinmāṃ vetti tattvataḥ.

Among thousands of men one here and there strives after perfection, and of those who strive and attain to perfection one here and there knows me in all the principles of my existence.

Bhagawad Gita 7.3
Vyasa Krishna

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 22, 2016, 10:44:27 PM »
Very good point Sri Ravi!  :) I wonder too!

It is just not enough if one gets a golden opportunity, but one should be blessed to even make good use of it. I Always believe along with this, a little but of luck or grace is always essential! The aspirant must have made some homework before after a good experience of life's trials and tribulations. One has to go through all odds of life in order to even be able to make use of a golden opportunity. This calls for our living our lives with awakened spirit, to be able to have attained by grace the blessed discrimination between the Real and Unreal - Shreys and Preyas. The Luck or grace also comes with our intentions and due diligence in living up to the ideals that we see!


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 22, 2016, 12:48:46 PM »
Thanks Sri Ravi, I had always wanted to share this, but was always worried at the size and i always could never post this. It was to be done by you.

Here is another beautiful incident -

A disciple was fortunate enough to get, after much difficulty, permission to meet His Holiness one evening. In the course of his talk, he boldly spoke thus: "Many a disciple coming to Sringeri returns disappointed for want of opportunities to hear a word of blessing or of encouragement or of advice from Your Holiness' lips. They will be greatly benefited if your Holiness can be more accessible."

H.H.: "You are mistaken. Those who seek to converse with me are mostly interested in matters in which I have no interest. They have no interest in matters in which I have interest. What purpose is served by granting interviews to them?"

Disciple: "I quite agree. But there are still some people who genuinely seek guidance from Your Holiness."

H.H.: "Seek help from me? Why, they want me to cure their illness or maladies? They want my help as a doctor. Is it for this, that this great institution was founded by the great Acharya?"

Disciple: "There are a few persons who long to approach Your Holiness for spiritual guidance but to their great regret are denied that opportunity."

H.H.: "If they really and sincerely long for my guidance they will in spite of my seeming inaccessibility force themselves upon me". With His characteristic smile, He added, "Just as you have done."

The disciple understood this both as a hint and as an admonition and did not deem it proper to pursue the subject further.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 22, 2016, 08:45:44 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Among all The greatest treasure
parents can give their children is
good Samskaram coupled with
Shraddha (Bhakti-Jnana-Vairagya)

And carrying forward this
Samskaram is the
greatest oblation the
child can give to this
parents and forefathers.


General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: August 19, 2016, 10:45:52 PM »


Sadhana is spiritual movement consciously systematized. Sadhana is the purpose for which we have come to this place.

Abhyasa and Sadhana are synonymous terms. The object of Sadhana is to release life from the limitations with which it is bound.

Sadhana is a lifelong process. Every day, every hour, every minute, is an onward march. Obstacles are innumerable in this great voyage. But, so long as you hold God as thy guide, there is nothing to worry about. You are sure to reach the other shore.

Some people have curiosity for the spiritual line. They have no real thirsting for liberation. They think that they will get certain powers or Siddhis (psychic powers) if they do some Yogic practices. When they do not attain the powers, they lose patience and give up the practices, abandon the spiritual path, and pooh-pooh the Yogis and Yoga.
Mere curiosity will not help you to attain any spiritual progress. Curiosity-mongering is more abominable than mischief-mongering. Introspect. Analyze your thoughts and find out whether you have real spiritual hunger or mere curiosity-mongering. Transmute curiosity-mongering into real thirsting for salvation by constant Satsang (association with the wise), study of good religious books, prayer, Japa, and meditation.

You must have interest and liking in your Sadhana. You must understand well the technique and benefits of Sadhana. You must select a Sadhana that is suitable for you. You must have the ability and capacity to do Sadhana. Then alone you will have joy in do ing the Sadhana and full success in it.


Good intentions alone will not do. They must be backed up by good actions. You must enter the spiritual path with the best intention of attaining Atma-Jnana (Self-knowledge), but unless you are vigilant and diligent, unless you do intense and rigorous Sadhana, unless you guard yourself against lust, anger and egoism and selfishness, the good intentions alone will not enable you to achieve success.
Moral purity and spiritual aspiration are the first steps in the seeker's path. Without a strong conviction in moral values, there can surely be no spiritual life, or even a good life.
Stern self-discipline is absolutely essential. Self-discipline does not mean suppression, but taming the brute within. It means humanization of the animal and spiritualization of the human.

You will have to break the virgin soil before you sow the seed. The seed breaks itself before it sprouts out as a plant. Destruction precedes construction. This is the immutable law of nature. You will have to destroy your brutal nature first before you develop divine nature.

The spiritual path is rugged, thorny, and precipitous. The thorns must be weeded out with patience and perseverance. Some of the thorns are internal; some are external. Lust, greed, wrath, delusion, vanity, etc., are the internal thorns. Company with evil-minded persons is the worst of all the external thorns. Therefore, shun ruthlessly evil company.

During the period of Sadhana, do not mix much; do not talk much; do not walk much; do not eat much; do not sleep much. Observe carefully the five 'do-not's'. Mixing will cause disturbances in the mind. Talking much will cause distraction of the mind. Walking much causes exhaustion and weakness. Eating much induces laziness and sleepiness.


During the period of Sadhana, avoid the company of women (or men in the case of women). You must never mix with young ladies (or men), however strong you may be. Maya works through under-currents so stealthily that you may not be aware of your actual downfall.

Keep the mind fully occupied with spiritual pursuits. Keep yourself at the farthest distance from everything that would stir up your passions. Then only you will be safe.
Do not live with householders. Do not test your spiritual strength and purity when you are a beginner on the spiritual path. Do not rush into evil associations when you are a spiritual neophyte to show that you have the courage to face sin and impurity. It will be a serious mistake. You will be running into a grave danger. You will have a quick downfall. A small fire will be very easily extinguished by a heap of dust.

Mind has a great power of imitation. This is the reason why a spiritual aspirant is prohibited from mixing with householders. His mind will try to imitate the minds of worldlings. Downfall will ensue.

If an aspirant moves with rich people, Zamindars, and Rajas, his mind begins to imitate the luxurious habits of these people and, ere long, he gets an unconscious downfall. Certain bad habits creep in him unconsciously. And he finds it difficult to tear out or remove these bad habits.

An aspirant can live only for a short time in his native place if there is an urgent call. Yogic rules and laws cannot permit him to stay there for a sufficiently long period, however suitable the place may be and whatever may be the degree of Vairagya of the aspirant. The force of impressions is tremendous. Unless all the Samskaras are thoroughly burnt through Nirvikalpa- Samadhi, it is not safe for one to stay for a long time in one's own native place. He is still within the danger zone.


The spiritual path may, in the beginning, appear to be very hard, thorny, precipitous and slippery. Renunciation of objects gives pain at the outset. If you struggle hard to tread the path, if you once make a strong determination and firm resolve, then it becomes very easy. You get interest and new joy. Your heart expands. You have a broad outlook of life. You have a new, wide vision. You feel the help from the invisible hands of the Indweller of your heart. Your doubts are cleared by themselves by getting answers from within. You can hear the shrill, sweet voice of God. There is an indescribable thrill of divine ecstasy from within. There is deep, abiding, everlasting joy and unruffled peace. There is ineffable, unabating, undiminishing, undecaying spiritual bliss. This gives new strength. The footing in the path becomes firmer and firmer. The Jivanmuktas, Yogins, Nitya- siddhas, Amara -purushas, and Chiranjivis lend their helping hands to the struggling aspirants. The aspirants feel this actually. The feeling of loneliness and of being neglected and forsaken vanishes entirely.

You are backed up at all times by a mighty power that works everywhere in the cosmos. Therefore you have nothing to fear. Take care of the details in Sadhana. The major factor will take care of itself.

Some aspirants leave Sadhana after some time. They expect great fruits quickly. They expect many Siddhis within a short time. When they do not get some, they give up the Sadhana. There are several ranges of consciousness between the ordinary human consciousness and the supra-consciousness of Brahman. Different veils have to be torn down on the way; many lower centres have to be opened up; many hurdles have to be crossed before the final goal is reached.


You have to plod on and scale many hills. You cannot climb the Everest in one jump. There is no jumping on the spiritual path.

Self-realization is not like a six-year post-graduate course. It is the result of intense protracted Sadhana.

There is no short-cut in the spiritual path. There is no royal road to the kingdom of immortal bliss. There is no half-measure in the divine path. Strict, hard discipline is wanted. Then alone you can conquer Maya. Only then can you control the mind.

Saints and Yogins will never think that they have controlled the mind. Only the deluded Sadhaka will imagine he has controlled the mind and get a terrible downfall. It is the very nature of life, mind, and Prakriti to be constantly in motion. When there is the idea in the mind that the highest goal is yet to be achieved, you will always move towards it. If you imagine that you have got to the top, you will anyhow have to move, and that movement will be downward. You will have a downfall. Aspire for higher realization till the breath ceases in the nostril.

Spiritual progress is slow, as the spiritual Sadhana is difficult and laborious. It is like the spiral. In the beginning, great striving is needed. Gradually, the circle becomes smaller and smaller. So also, the striving becomes less and less. The aspirant gains spiritual strength slowly. He marches faster and faster. Finally, he does not go by furlongs after furlongs. He proceeds by mile after mile. He gallops and gallops. Therefore, be patient; be persevering; be steady.


The gradual inward progress is mostly silent and unseen, like the quiet unfolding of a bud into a flower in the hours of the night. Therefore, do not be dejected. Do not depress yourself with the idea that you are not progressing. Real spiritual progress is really and accurately measured by the peacefulness, serenity, and calmness that you manifest in waking state. You will have a healthy body and mind, the excretions will be scanty, the voice will be sweet, the face will be brilliant, the eyes will be lustrous. You will be ever calm, tranquil, and poised; you will be ever cheerful, fearless, and contented. You will be dispassionate and discriminative. There will be no attraction for the world. Things that used to upset you before will not upset you now. You will have an unruffled mind. You will have introversion. Things that used to give you pleasure produce disgust or a reverse effect now. You will have a one-pointed, sharp, subtle mind. You will be longing to have more meditation. You will experience lights, visions, divine smell, divine taste. The idea that all forms are forms of the Lord will get stronger and stronger in you. You will feel everywhere the presence of God. You will experience the nearness of God. You will have a very steady Asana. You will develop a burning desire for selfless service.

Watch whether you are stationary in the spiritual path, retrogressing, or advancing. If your Japa, meditation or Vedantic Vichara thickens your veil and fattens your egoism, it is not then a spiritual Sadhana. Remember this point well. It is only a kind of occult practice. Watch, introspect. Practice self-analysis and kill ruthlessly this formidable egoism. This is important Sadhana. Egoism will lurk like a thief and assume various forms like a chameleon or a Bahurupi (a dramatic actor).

Do not stop the Sadhana when you get a few glimpses of realization. Continue practice till you are fully established in Bhuma, the unconditioned Brahman. This is important. If you stop practice and move about in the world, there is every likelihood of a downfall. The reaction will be tremendous. Examples are not lacking. Numerous persons have been so ruined. A glimpse cannot give you perfect safety. Do not be carried away by name and fame. You can renounce your wife, children, parents, house, friends, and relatives. It is very, very difficult to renounce the intellectual pleasure, the pleasure from name and fame. I seriously warn you. A man who can draw happiness from the Atman within, will never care a jot for this trivial, paltry affair. The world is a mighty big thing for a worldly man. It is a straw for the Knower of Brahman. It is a mustard, a pin's point, a dot, a bubble, an airy nothing for a Brahma-jnani (Knower of Brahman). Be circumspective. Ignore all these trivial things. Be steady with your practice. Never stop the practice till the final beatitude is reached. Never cease Sadhana till you can constantly dwell in full Brahmic consciousness.

Do not let failures discourage you, but go on doing your best. Do not brood over your past mistakes and failures, as this will only fill your mind with grief, regret and depression. Do not repeat them in future. Be cautious. Just think of the causes which led to your failures and try to remove them in future. Strengthen yourself with new vigour and virtues. Develop slowly your will-power.

Every temptation that is resisted, every evil thought that is curbed, every desire that is subdued, every bitter word that is withheld, every noble aspiration that is encouraged, every sublime thought that is cultivated, adds to the development of will-force, good character, and attainment of eternal bliss and immortality.

Every bit of Sadhana done is surely recorded without fail in your hidden consciousness. No Sadhana ever goes in vain. Every bit of it is credited immediately towards your evolution. This is the law. Think not negative thoughts, but calmly go on with the Sadhana. Be regular at it. Without missing a single day, proceed onward with your spiritual practices. Little by little, the power accumulates and it will grow. Ultimately, the cumulative force of all the continuous earnest Sadhana done perseveringly and patiently over a long period of life has its inevitable grand consummation at the supreme moment when it bears fruit in the form of blissful Realization.

Let the Sadhana be regular, continuous, unbroken, and earnest. Not only regularity, but also continuity in Sadhana and meditation is necessary if you want to attain Self-realization quickly. A spiritual stream once set going does not dry up, unless the channel-bed is locked, unless there is stagnation. Be vigilant eternally. Meditate regularly. Annihilate the under-current of Vasanas.


Sometimes the aspirant gets stuck up. He cannot proceed further in his path. Sometimes he is side-tracked through Siddhis. He loses his way and walks in some other direction. He misses the goal. Sometimes he is assailed by temptations and various oppositions. Sometimes he gets false contentment. He thinks he has reached his goal and stops all Sadhana. Sometimes he is careless, lazy, indolent. He cannot do any Sadhana. Therefore, be eternally vigilant, like the captain of a ship, like the surgeon in the operation theatre.

The spiritual path is full of hurdles. If you conquer one obstacle, another obstacle is ready to manifest. If you control the sense of taste, another Indriya is simply waiting to assault you with redoubled force and vigour. If you remove greed, anger is waiting to hurl you down. If you drive egoism through one door, it enters through another door. Great patience, perseverance, vigilance, and undaunted strength are needed.

Be frim, steady, and steadfast. People will mock at you; be silent. People will insult you; be silent. People will spread evil rumours about you; be silent. Stick to the spiritual path. Do not swerve. Seek the truth wherever it may lead you to, and whatever be the cost and sacrifice.


Act now. Live now. Know now. Realize now. Be happy now.
Every death is a reminder. Every bell that rings says, "The end is near". Every day robs off from you one part of your precious life. Therefore, you should be very earnest in plunging yourself in constant Sadhana.

Never fall a victim to fruitless regret. Today is the best day. Today is the day of your new birth. Start Sadhana now. With folded palms, bid good-bye to past mistakes and faults. You have learnt your lessons. March forward now with new hope, determination, and vigilance.

Waver not. Fear not. Doubt not. Do something substantial in the path of Sadhana instead of wasting your time in idle pursuits and lethargy. You have infinite strength within you. There is a vast reservoir of power within you. Therefore, do not lose heart. Obstacles are stepping stones to success. They will develop your will. Do not allow yourself to be crushed by them. Defects remind you of perfection. Sin reminds you of virtue. Chose the positive path.

If you think, "I will take a bath when all the waves of the sea subside", this is not possible. The waves will never subside and you will never take a bath. Even so, if you think, "I will start spiritual Sadhana or meditation when all my cares, worries and anxieties cease, when all my sons are fixed up in life, when I have ample leisure after retirement", this is not possible. You will not be able to sit even for half an hour when you become old. You will have no strength to do any rigorous Tapas  when you are in advanced senility.

You must start vigorous spiritual practices when you are young, whatever your conditions, circumstances and environments may be. Then only you will reap a rich spiritual harvest when you become old. You will enjoy the everlasting peace of the Eternal.


General Discussion / Re: Gems from Samskrutam
« on: August 19, 2016, 12:25:16 AM »
त्वमेव माता च पिता त्वमेव,
त्वमेव बन्धुश्च सखा त्वमेव।
त्वमेव विद्या द्रविणं त्वमेव,
त्वमेव सर्वं मम देव देव॥

You alone art the Mother and Mother
You alone art the Companion and Friend
You alone art the Knowledge and Wealth
You alone art my Everthing the Lord of Lords


A simple shloka and nothing greater and truer than this!

God alone is our everything. Nothing else!

General topics / Re: Pornography and Masturbation
« on: August 18, 2016, 10:49:06 AM »
Dear Orihh,

I would like to just add the following thoughts: Always remember, that darkness disappears automatically when the Sun rises. Just remember that you need not destroy darkness (and you cannot destroy it in truth). Likewise, all the issues you have before you, overcoming the lust and other vices, should be a by-product of your Bhakti (love - Bhakti is Sadhana) towards your God or Guru, and it never the other way - that God is beyond the vices and you need to overcome your vices to realise God! Realise God and the vices disappear themselves like darkness disappears when the Sun rises.

No matter how guilty one may be, no matter how bad one may be, know well that God sees you and the greatest good person as one and the same. A tear dropping from your eyes from the depths of your heart is the greatest prayer - purifier! Pray to God. He will help you. What is impossible for one who has won the grace of the Lord?

Just remember the real goal. A quote goes in Tamil, (Unnai Ni Arindayeanil unakku or kedum illai) If you know Thyself no harm can fall on you.

all the best

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: August 17, 2016, 03:09:33 PM »
I used to wonder many times why Kanchi Mahaswami has spoken so much about what is quite termed archaic these days. But i see that his talks as a beacon of light in our times stressing upon the basic karmas to be performed by one an all.

The basic problem today i see is that one is able to get Vedanta tatva easily but is unable to protect it due to lack of anushtanam.

Below is Sadhana Panchakam of Adi Shankara. It is sai to be one of the last upadesa during his last days -

॥साधन पञ्चकम्॥

वेदो नित्यमधीयतां तदुदितं कर्म स्वनुष्ठीयतां
  तेनेशस्य विधीयतामपचितिः काम्ये मतिस्त्यज्यताम्‌।
पापौघः परिधूयतां भवसुखे दोषोऽनुसन्धीयतां
  आत्मेच्छा व्यवसीयतां निजगृहात्तूर्णं विनिर्गम्यताम्‌॥१॥

सङ्गः सत्सु विधीयतां भगवतो भक्तिर्दृढाऽऽधीयतां
  शान्त्यादिः परिचीयतां दृढतरं कर्माशु सन्त्यज्यताम्‌।
सद्विद्वानुपसृप्यतां प्रतिदिनं तत्पादुका सेव्यतां
  ब्रह्मैकाक्षरमर्थ्यतां श्रुतिशिरोवाक्यं समाकर्ण्यताम्‌॥२॥

वाक्यार्थश्च विचार्यतां श्रुतिशिरः पक्षः समाश्रीयतां
  दुस्तर्कात्सुविरम्यतां श्रुतिमतस्तर्कोऽनुसन्धीयताम्‌।
ब्रह्मास्मीति विभाव्यतामहरहर्गर्वः परित्यज्यतां
  देहेऽहंमतिरुझ्यतां बुधजनैर्वादः परित्यज्यताम्‌॥३॥

क्षुद्व्याधिश्च चिकित्स्यतां प्रतिदिनं भिक्षौषधं भुज्यतां
  स्वाद्वन्नं न तु याच्यतां विधिवशात्प्राप्तेन सन्तुष्यताम्‌।
शीतोष्णादि विषह्यतां न तु वृथा वाक्यं समुच्चार्यतां
  औदासीन्यमभीप्स्यतां जनकृपानैष्ठुर्यमुत्सृज्यताम्‌॥४॥

एकान्ते सुखमास्यतां परतरे चेतः समाधीयतां
  पूर्णात्मा सुसमीक्ष्यतां जगदिदं तद्बाधितं दृश्यताम्‌।
प्राक्कर्म प्रविलाप्यतां चितिबलान्नाप्युत्तरैः श्लिष्यतां
  प्रारब्धं त्विह भुज्यतामथ परब्रह्मात्मना स्थीयताम्‌॥५॥


1. Study spiritual texts (?Vedas?) regularly and put into practice their teachings. Worship the Divine in that manner and give up the thought of desires. Wash away the negative habit-energy and examine the defects of worldly excitement. Hold on to the awareness of the Atman and leave at once your own limited identity.

2. Remain in the company of the holy (thoughts, words, deeds; books, music, art; people) and strengthen your devotion to God. Cultivate the qualities such as self-restraint and give up all work prompted by selfish desire. Approach those who are wise and holy, and serve them. Seek only the Imperishable Being (?God?) and hear
the words of the scripture.

3. Reflect over the meaning of the scripture and take refuge in its perspective. Keep away from vain arguments and follow the reasoning of the scripture. Always be aware that you are Brahman and completely give up all egoism. Eliminate the thought of ?I? connected with the body and don?t argue with the wise ones.

4. Through the daily medicine of alms, treat the disease of hunger. Don?t hanker after delicious food; be contented with whatever comes of its own. Forbear the polarities such as cold and heat and do not utter useless words. Do not expect kindness from others and abandon all harshness toward others.

5. Live happily in solitude and focus the mind on the God. See carefully the infinite Self and notice how it eliminates this fleeting existence called the world. Through the power of consciousness, dissolve your past karma, remain unaffected by your later karma, and experience your present karma. In this way, remain established in the awareness of the Supreme Self.

(Translation by Swami Tyagananda)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 17, 2016, 02:42:26 PM »
Just one more point i wanted to convey. According to Shruties. Astika Means not belief in God. But one who accepts the authority of Vedas. It does not mean one who believes in God. We can infer quite a bit from this very definition itself about Fate and Freewill!

All those who do not accept the authority of Vedas are Nastikya. Not non belief in God!

The concept of God that popularly exists here is more a christian idea. What the Shrutis themselves say is quite different from what we infer.



General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 17, 2016, 01:41:02 PM »
Dear Friends, I would like to share some thoughts -

There is absolute freedom for each and every one. Each one is an amsha of the Supreme. We are all the children of the God. All power rests in you. If it is so that we all do not have a free will, then who has all the power, it must be said so that it is God who has the supreme free will. Then the question boils down to Who am I and Who is God? As the saying goes, We are all mere instruments in the hands of God.

Now, coming down to the finer question, Who am I and Who is God? If it is God's will, then Who am I? Am I different from that Supreme God-Head who is Omnipotent Omniscient and Omnipresent, He is all pervading, Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma. Then who are we or Who am I in in that All prevasive Luminous. Do we truly have a separate existence apart from that Almighty?

Here is where the famous 3 Tatvas take their birth. Advaita observes there is no difference between the Jivatma and Paramatma. Visishtadvaita observes that there is no difference in spirit but it is qualified, where as the Dvaita absoutely observes that the Jivatma and Paramtma are definitely different and in no way are we any powerful.

All such questions on fate and freewill takes different forms as the case may be. If it is said that There is no freewill, then it should follow that you should not be experiencing the fruits of the actions that are taking place? But then why should you be experiencing pleasures and pains? If you have no free will why should you be born with repositories of Karmas, backlogs coming from many past births! There is Free Will.

To Sum up, What ever has already occured is Destiny, The present moment is yours. You have to act consciously. Krishna calls Arjuna Gudakesha meaning He who has conquered sleep. Krishna does not mean the ordinary sleeping. But he has awakened himself from the sleeplessness of submissiveness to fate or destiny, a routine mundane life. He has begun to enquire, He has begun to see that there is much more to life, his reasoning has awakened, this is what Krishna refers to when he addressed Arjuna as Gudakesha. He advised to exercise his intelligence in discriminating the truth from false. He is the Parama Hamsa - He who is able to discriminate the Truth from Falsehood.

The Vedas themselves advise you as folows:

Satyam Vada
Dharmam Vada.

सत्यं धर्मश्चैतानि मा मा हासिषुः  - Do not give up the path of Truth and Dharma?

The Entire Taittiriya Upanishad speaks about the exercising ones free will to the Best and highest.

One who really says there is no free will, then actually it is Nastikya. Astikya Darshana means he who believes in the authority of Vedas.

This is why our tradition always look upto the Shrutis to validate all statements of all gurus. It should be Shastra Pramana.

There is so much Gudbud (Mixture) these days, too much information, all good but no clarity only confusion!

Just look around you, look at the other animals, what difference is there between them and us, without freewill, we will just eat like a tiger and sleep like a lion and remain so innocently as a deer and so on.

Human Birth is Rare. Sages from the Vedic times to Avvaiyar all have strongly conveyed this power that Man has - free will. He has to use it as per the direction of Vedas - Shrutis.

If we have to depend on the Higher power to even speak Truth, then what sort of species are we? And what sort of 'thing' God should be?

Quite some time, I had this reflection (as below) which i had posted under the Light Post Topic:

one fine day....

d1 - Namaste cguruji, i am dejected thoroughly as all my efforts have gone waste, i am very tired and i have no peace inspite of all my sincere efforts. Please bless me some light.
cguru - Abandon all your efforts and thrust all your cares on the Lord, He shall take you to your source.
d1 - You have released me from a great burden cguruji, i am free of all my burden now. I am indeed blessed.

another fine day....

d2 - Namaste cguruji, i am absolutely depressed and in great low. I am just unable to just be. I surrendered all my burden on the Lord, yet i have no peace. Each moment i just live by the dictum of the Lord, yet i find no peace. I am just unable to remain quiet! Please relieve me of this burden, o cguruji.
cguru - Strive diligently, take all the responsibility onto yourself, carefuly tread the path with the guidance of a guru, put sincere effort, meditate, contemplate and attain peace.
d2 - yes indeed! Thank you so much of this great upadesa cguruji, I am blessed, i am indeed blessed.

In general, it is simply absolving oneself from any responsibility from acting consciously, by thrusting one's freewill to some God. There is a fine difference here between Genuine Surrender and fake Surrender. One has to be quite prudent in knowing the fine difference.

On the other hand one who truly has surrendered to the will of God will never have any doubts. Because he has merged with the Supreme. He has no independent will apart from God. God is He. He is God!


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 16, 2016, 11:45:33 PM »
Having presented these thoughts let me also convey one more to conclude my thoughts. You mentioned about being troubled by Tamas and other things.

Let me tell you a time tested method shared by all in our sanathana dharma.

Keep yourself very busy. Work hard. Keep yourself filled with activities from waking up to the time you sleep. Actually this is the secret of Sanyasa. Real sanyasis are not simply sitting doing nothing. They are always in constant work. They are the most busiest of men you will find really - the real ones! Those who are sincere to the core shine! Only the sincere ones are graced!

Over come your Tamas by your Rajas. Engage in lots of activities. Excell in all things you are doing. Just dont exist but live your life. By this not only you earn a good name but also you would have conquered your Tamas. When Tamas is reasonably won over you will really be able to spend more time mentally, if Tamas is dominant then you need to engage your body and mind both in activities. Having over come Tamas now you will be really capable to remain without much physical activity. Here since Rajas is dominant you will have to overcome Rajas by Satva by spiritual activities. You will be in a real position to defeat your vices. Channelise your Rajas into Spiritual activities. Contribute your effort in such activities.

Like this apply your self well. What force can stop you?

Your question is not a loner. I am sure it is a question to allmost all spiritual aspirants only nobody speaks about them!

It actually some amount of courage and wisdom to speak about it with an intention to over come it. So you already have the necessary courage and wiadom to go all the way.

Trust in yourself and then the God will trust you!


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 16, 2016, 11:30:20 PM »
Krishnan, i have some more thoughts to share.  We all are familiar with the word Tapas. The root - Tap (तप्) means literally to burn! What is beautifully described by the word Penance. Every Sadhaka has to go through this burn up - burning up of ones own vices and defects. Just look at how many great people in the past and even now sincerely doing Tapas. Spiritual perfection does not come so easily. All without exception go through this difficulty. We all need to imbibe the character of Hanuman as Swami Vivekananda says. Please go through the conversation below. It beautifully conveys to us the wonderful spirit we must imbibe in our sadhana. If you truly want it then what stops you? If you realy realy want it no force in the universe can stop you.

Disciple: What ideal should we follow now?

Swamiji: You have now to make the character of Mahavira your ideal. See how at the command of Ramachandra he crossed the ocean. He had no care for life or death! He was a perfect master of his senses and wonderfully sagacious. You have now to build your life on this great ideal of personal service. Through that, all other ideals will gradually manifest in life. Obedience to the Guru without questioning, and strict observance of Brahmacharya -- this is the secret of success. As on the one hand Hanuman represent the ideal of service, so on the other hand he represents leonine courage, striking the whole world with awe. He has not the least hesitation in sacrificing his life for the good of Rama. A supreme indifference to everything except the service of Rama, even to the attainment of the status of Brahma and Shiva, the great World - gods! Only the carrying out of Shri Rama's best is the one vow of this life! Such whole - hearted devotion is wanted. Playing on the Khol and Kartal and dancing in the frenzy of Kirtana has degenerated the whole people. They are, in the first place, a race of dyspeptics -- and if in addition to this they dance and jump in that way, how can they bear the strain? In trying to imitate the highest Sadhana, the preliminary qualification for which is absolute purity, they have been swallowed in dire Tamas. In every district and village you may visit, you will find only the sound of the Khol and Kartal! Are not drums made in the country? Are not trumpets and kettle - drums available in India? Make the boys hear the deep - toned sound of these instruments. Hearing from boyhood the sound of these effeminate forms of music and listening to the kirtana, the country is well - nigh converted into a country of women. What more degradation can you expect? Even the poet's imagination fails to draw this picture! The Damaru[1] and horn have to be sounded, drums are to be beaten so as to raise the deep and martial notes, and with "Mahavira, Mahavira" on your lips and shouting "Hara, Hara, Vyom, Vyom", the quarters are to be reverberated. The music which awakens only the softer feelings of man is to be stopped now for some time. Stopping the light tunes such as Kheal and Tappa for some time, the people are to be accustomed to hear the Dhrupad music. Through the thunder - roll of the dignified Vedic hymns, life is to be brought back into the country. In everything the austere spirit of heroic manhood is to be revived. In following such an ideal lies the good of the people and the country. If you can build your character after such an ideal, then a thousand others will follow. But take care that you do not swerve an inch from the ideal. Never lose heart. In eating, dressing, or lying, in singing or playing, in enjoyment or disease, always manifest the highest moral courage. Then only will you attain the grace of Mahashakti, the Divine Mother.

Disciple: Sir, at times I am overcome by low spirits, I don't know how.

Swamiji: Then think like this: "Whose child am I? I associate with him and shall I have such weak - mindedness and lowness of spirits?" Stamping down such weakness of mind and heart, stand up, saying, "I am possessed of heroism -- i am possessed of a steady intellect -- i am a knower of Brahman, a man of illumination." Be fully conscious of your dignity by remembering, "I am the disciple of such and such who is the companion - in - life of Shri Ramakrishna, the conqueror of lust and wealth." This will produce a good effect. He who has not this pride has no awakening of Brahman within him. Haven't you heard Ramprasad's song? He used to say, "Whom do I fear in the world, whose sovereign is the

Divine Mother!" Keep such a pride always awake in the mind. Then weakness of mind and heart will no longer be able to approach you. Never allow weakness to overtake your mind. Remember Mahavira, remember the Divine Mother! And you will see that all weakness, all cowardice will vanish at once.

Saying these words, Swamiji came downstairs and took his accustomed seat on a cot in the courtyard. Then, addressing the assembled Sannyasins and Brahmacharins, he said, "Here is the unveiled presence of Brahman. Fie upon those who disregarding It set their mind on other things! Ah! here is Brahman as palpable as a fruit in one's palm. Don't you see? Here!"

These words were spoken in such an appealing way, that every one stood motionless like a figure painted on canvas and felt as if he were suddenly drawn into the depth of meditation. . . . After some time that tension of feeling passed and they regained their normal consciousness.

Next, in the course of a walk, Swamiji spoke to the disciple. "Did you see how everybody had become concentrated today? These are all children of Shri Ramakrishna, and on the very uttering of the words, they felt the truth."

Disciple: Sir, not to speak of them, even my heart was overflowing with an unearthly bliss! But now it appears like a vanished dream.

Swamiji: Everything will come in time. Now, go on working. Set yourself to some work for the good of men sunk in ignorance and delusion. You will see that such experiences will come of themselves.

Disciple: I feel nervous to enter into its labyrinths -- neither have I the strength. The scriptures also say, "Impenetrable is the path of Karma".

Swamiji: What do you wish to do then?

Disciple: To live and hold discussion with one like
you, who has realised the truth of all scriptures and through hearing, thinking, and meditating on the Truth to realise Brahman in this very life. I have no enthusiasm, nor perhaps the strength, for anything else.

Swamiji: If you love that, well, you can go on doing it. And speak about your thoughts and conclusions about the Shastras to others, it will benefit them. So long as there is the body, one cannot live without doing some work or other; therefore one should do such work as is conducive to the good of others. Your own realisations and conclusions about scriptural truths may benefit many a seeker after Truth. Put them into writing which may help many others.

Disciple: First let me realise the Truth, then I shall write. Shri Ramakrishna used to say; "Without the badge of authority, none will listen to you."

Swamiji: There may be many in the world who have got stuck in that stage of spiritual discipline and reasoning through which you are passing, without being able to pass beyond that stage. Your experience and way of thinking, if recorded, may be of benefit to them at least. If you put down in easy language the substance of the discussions which you hold with the Sadhus of this Math, it may help many.

Disciple: Since you wish it, I shall try to do it.

Swamiji: What is the good of that spiritual practice or realisation which does not benefit others, does not conduce to the well - being of people sunk in ignorance and delusion, does not help in rescuing them from the clutches of lust and wealth? Do you think, so long as one Jiva endures in bondage, you will have any liberation? So long as he is not liberated -- it may take several lifetimes -- you will have to be born to help him, to make him realise Brahman. Every Jiva is part of yourself -- which is the rationale of all work for others. As you desire the whole - hearted good of your wife and children, knowing them to be your own, so when a like amount of love and attraction for every Jiva will awaken in you, then I shall know that Brahman is awakening in you, not a moment before. When this feeling of the all - round good of all without respect for caste or colour will awaken in your heart, then I shall know you are advancing towards the ideal.

Disciple: Sir, it is a most tremendous statement that without the salvation of all, there shall be no salvation for an individual! I have never heard of such a wonderful proposition.

Swamiji: There is a class of Vedantists who hold such a view. They say that individual liberation is not the real and perfect form of liberation, but universal and collective liberation is true Mukti. Of course, both merits and defects can be pointed out in that view.

Disciple: According to Vedanta, the state of individualised existence is the root of bondage, and the Infinite Intelligence, through desires and effects of works, appears bound in that limiting condition. When by means of discrimination that limiting condition vanishes and the Jiva is bereft of all adjuncts, then how can there be bondage for the Atman which is of the essence of transcendent Intelligence? He for whom the idea of the Jiva and the world is a persisting reality may think that without the liberation of all he has no liberation. But when the mind becomes bereft of all limiting adjuncts and is merged in Brahman, where is there any differentiation for him? So nothing can operate as a bar to his Mukti.

Swamiji: Yes, what you say is right, and most Vedantins hold that view, which is also flawless. In that view, individual liberation is not barred. But just consider the greatness of his heart who thinks that he will take the whole universe with him to liberation!

Disciple: Sir, it may indicate boldness of heart, but it is not supported by the scriptures.

Swamiji was in an abstracted mood and did not listen to the words. After some time he said: "Day and night think and meditate on Brahman, meditate with great one - pointedness of mind. And during the time of awakeness to outward life, either do some work for the sake of others or repeat in your mind, `Let good happen to Jivas and the world!' `Let the mind of all flow in the direction of Brahman!' Even by such continuous current of thought the world will be benefited. Nothing good in the world becomes fruitless, be it work or thought. Your thought - currents will perhaps rouse the religious feeling of someone in America."

Disciple: Sir, please bless me that my mind may be concentrated on the Truth.

Swamiji: So it will be. If you have earnestness of desire, it will certainly be.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 16, 2016, 04:54:04 PM »
please tell me one thing.  as regards me, I am fully fluent on both Vishnu and lalitha sahasranama. 

nowadays my mind simply refuses and is not inclined to chant all these beautiful sthothras.....all it is dwelling is on desires, lust and fear .

if someone has to learn these stothras it is different, but for someone who has heard this and can chant without seeing book ( along with others) ,  if then also I am not chanting, simply immersed in endless desires and fears, how to come out? please suggest practical tips.

Dear Krishnan, you had written in the other topic as above. I am taking a liberty to respond to you. You asked for practical tips. Infact you have been asking about this quite a number of times in the past.

Krishnan, to be honest, there are no such practical steps in Truth! It is only how you take it! This moment, Now, you decide how you want to live your life and LIVE UP TO IT THAT WAY. This is the only secret, and this is the only real practical advise.

Do not wait for some glorious moment in some future that something miraculous may happen and our life changes suddenly.

The only true miracle lies in your own hand, in your own conviction and in your own courage. Be the Change you want to be. A saying goes in Sanskrit - उद्योगिनं पुरुषसिंहमुपैति लक्ष्मीः Goddess Lakshmi goes behind only those who are industrious and enterprising lion among men!

If you, or for that matter anybody feel that they have to overcome something, discard something and aspire to live in a befitting manner, then it is only in their own wisdom to start living it.

Ask yourself how you want to live! What do you want to do! How do you want to be! How do you want to spend the time! What is it that you have to overcome!

All the answers are within yourself. If there is something one has to overcome, nobody else can over come it but yourself. If there is something to overcome, then also know that there is also the power and perseverance gifted to you by the Lord to over that obstacle!

And remember it is not going to be easy! Which is why such a one is called a DHEERA (धीरः)

Wish you all the best!


General Discussion / Re: Vishnu Sahasranama
« on: August 16, 2016, 03:39:53 PM »
geyaM giitaa naama sahasraM
dhyeyaM shriipati ruupamajasram .
neyaM sajjana saNge chittaM
deyaM diinajanaaya cha vittam. (27)

Regularly recite from the Gita, meditate on Nama Sahasra [Vishnu sahasranama] in your heart, and chant His thousand glories. Take delight to be with the noble and the holy. Distribute your wealth in charity to the poor and the needy.

(Adi Shankara)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 16, 2016, 08:34:55 AM »
Just sharing this in a lighter vein, i had long before received this as a forward -

A young couple came into the church office to fill out a pre-marriage questionnaire form. The young man, who had never talked to a pastor before, was quite nervous and the pastor tried to put him at ease.

When they came to the question, "Are you entering this marriage of your own free will?" there was a long pause.

Finally, the girl looked over at the apprehensive young man and said, "Put down yes."

Fine example of fate and free will


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