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Dear I,

 :) Very happy to hear the account of your travel. Felt really exciting to hear about your darshanam of Arunachaleshwarar on that auspicious day.

It makes me wonder, really, even though in the days of Kali, where absolutely there is no discipline and regulations among people, somehow, Arunahcala attends to his devotees in his own way.

He is very much there, in such a big presence as the Hill itself, as Ramana Himself!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Re: How to watch the sense 'I am'
« on: March 16, 2010, 09:45:28 AM »
Dear I,

that means, like Krishna says in the Gita, Uddaret Atmanaatmaanam, the Self is its own friend and foe, one has to lift Himself from his own higher Self and not let itself fall from its own lower Self.

Mis-interpretaions and mis understandings are biggest grace in themselves, they bestow higher grace than 'Knowledge' itself. It is only because of Mis-interpretaions and mis understandings that we begin to enquire further.

More over it is only the Mind that distinguishes between Misunderstanding and Understanding.

Meditation, for is just being aware of ones own ego, till it gets dissolved into nothingness or everything ness.

Meditation is for me, "Chumma Iru", "Just being" Let all move around you, Just Be.

Bhagavan says - "To know and not to think"

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Re: How to watch the sense 'I am'
« on: March 16, 2010, 08:55:56 AM »
Dear I,

All interpretations and understanding are correct. There is no need for a confirmation from 'anothers' expereience, for understanding. For, it is ultimately only an acknowledgement for knowledge what one already has, thats all. If 'anothers' experience matches with our existing understanding, mind or the ego or the little 'I' nods in confirmation and at the same time, if the 'anothers' experience does not matches with our existing understanding, mind or the ego or the little 'I' nods in non confirmation and this leads to discussions, etc... anhd the Mind - ego - little 'I' goes on discussing so long the so called 'another' confirms to its own existing or preconceived knowledge.

The 'one' that wants knowledge is the ego, the knowledge that is being created in the process is also the ego's. The Mind some how wants to be acknowledged as a 'Jnani' or it wants to be acknowledged as a super consciousness, or it wants to just enjoy, relish having the title of "Self" or acknowledgement for having 'Self-Realised'

So in all these, who is the one that is wanting to get 'realised'? it is the ego - mind - little 'I'. Its like, as a stage drama is being enacted, you act as 'Ravana' character and forget that you are just the actor, and as a character - 'Ravana' tries to realise its Self as 'Rama' - which eventually becomes another character in itself. The ego - mind - little 'I' gets lost in the character of 'Ravana' tries so hard to realised its Self as 'Rama' instead of just casting away just the character of Ravana and remain as the one who performed the character.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Re: How to watch the sense 'I am'
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:41:00 PM »
Dear I,

Nisargadatta Maharaj said that it is very important to watch "I-am-ness" all the time.

How is that possible? 
How can the subject watch the subject itself?

Bhagavans explanation is given below -

"First the Self sees itself as object, then the Self sees itself as Void, and finally it sees itiself as Self, here there is no seeing as seeing is being"

The subject is ego, ego first begins watching itself, ego watching ego, and as a result of such an enquiry ego ceases to exist and Self shines and when this (occurs) the Subject will not be there, the ego will not be there, the very need to know that you are the Self has to end.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / a pair of sparrows
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:04:02 AM »
A pair of sparrows, a male and female, used to visit Bhagavan regulalry. The sparrows would put in their appearance every evening and perch on the doord. Bhagavan would forbid people to close the doors of the hall and even during the nights; although it was winter, saying they would come now and that they should not be shut up.

Sri Viswanatha Swami's narration - an incident which he witnessed for many days

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Bhagavan succeeded in being a friend of everyone - saint or sinner, prince or peasant, learned or ignorant, cow, dog or monkey. J.C. Molony (a district collector) who had gone to the hill to have darshan of Bhagavan has recorded how his dog preferred the company of Bhagavan to his own. "After visiting the sage on the hill, when I reached my camp, one of my dogs was missing. In the evening arrived the holyman leading the truant on a string. The sage said, 'he came back to me, and I should have liked to keep him, but why should I steal him from you?'"

All were welcomed to his charmed circle. Bhagavan gave freedom to all to enjoy his Saameepya (nearness) and his Soulabhya (easy accessibility).

Sri K Swaminathan in his remniscences in 'Face to Face with Bhagavan'

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: "I-I"
« on: March 14, 2010, 08:16:44 PM »
to me, it simply means - eternity. The reason of having two I's only signifies the eternity, birthless and deathless, the Consciousness.

Where as the single I means ego I, limitedness, non continuity. Naan here is Aham Karam. Jivaatma, I-I... is Paramaatma. Unlimited ness.

Consciousness cannot be measured, hence I feel I is repeated more than once as I-I which signifies infinite.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 02:42:24 PM »
I have seen most of those videos, just fyi

Its just a rationalist view. Its Naasthika.  it is only speculation.  thats all..

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 02:39:40 PM »
Before someone is to be operated, one has to examine whether a surgery is really required or not. just because, by word of mouth by another doctor, who has said that there is a tumor in brain, we can go ahead and operate.

My grandfather was operated wrongly on his left eye instead of his right eye and the doctor was the citys top doctor in his times. What can you say about it?

Again, BBC or any other organisation, I dont believe in any certifications that we can trust upon. You are just blindly talking based on the reports of media and not on your first hand information.

Media, today is only JOKE. and to trust them is dangerous!

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 02:20:28 PM »
Dear I,

The topic seems to deviate. I am just trying to convey that we should not pass comment on other Guru's. It is simple purely skeptical to say something, like you said

BBC has some very good information about
Satya Sai Baba! They too a video which describes how Satya sai baba is a fraud!
in all probability he is!

Shiridi Sai baba was a real Jnani! He is different!

But Satya Sai Baba ?? The other day he said that he would appear on moon !! why the earth would anyone do such a thing?
why bring out lingams from mouth? what does he want to prove?
why give vibhutis?  


Satya Sai has commented privately that Ramana is much less than him.

Does not this ammount to commenting?


As, I mentioned earlier "And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world" - Tennyson

Even during the times of Ramana, the Ramanashram manager tried to stop Paul Brunton from writing anything about Ramana and Ashramam as he began to write scandaleous information.

I am not talking about Swamis who are proved fakes. Untill proven guilty, can we say anything about anybody? Again, Satya Sai has so many followers, simply writing some informations ammounting to commenting will hurt the sentiments of so many followers. Its so simple, I am not deviating from this. There are so many who respect Satya Sai as their Guru. There are families of 3 - 4 generations that still follow Satya Sai.

We should restrict from commenting about Gurus who are not proven guilty. Thats all.

Vivekanandas sprit is always welcome - "anything that makes you weak physically, intellectually and spiritually, reject as poison, there is no life in it, it cannot be true .  Truth is strengthening. Truth is purity, truth is all-knowledge "

it is a simple voice from heart.

I think, Grahams initiative of not discussing about Gurus who are not physically dead for 50 years is very wise one.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 10:24:12 AM »
Dear I,

It is not unrelated article, its most potent with essense. What happens at Kalki Ashramam, or any other ashramam, happen at the will of the Supreme God hood. Whatever happens in the world, be it (as we perceive it as) good or bad, is happenning at the will of the supreme Self. We should only focus our attention of the very core purpose of being here, here in this e-ashramam. We should live the same spirit as real Ramanashramam.

By denouncing such events or praising such events, what purpose are we serving really? does the 'I' tries to acheive that by giving out rational views, it is saving one person from falling down to fraud? why does the I take the responsibility of all such events?

It is like how Ramana describes like in a temple, some figures which are sculpted to lift the weight of the ceiling in temples, but actually is not! similalrly, we unnecessarily take such burdens, which ultimately, deviate our path from Self Enquiry.

Nothing moves without the will of God.

Moreover, do we have first hand information about anything? Everything we hear is all only 100th hand information, what is true, what is false? what we know? We don't know, and before we say something, are we cent percent sure about the truth of the said information?
When such is not the case? how can we say anything after all?

The best course is to simple be silent and pray, as Ramana says, All will be Well

When everything is happening on HIS will, why should we mind HIS WORK?

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 09:51:31 AM »
Talk 161.

An elderly man from Ananthapur, after hearing the Vedas recited in the hall, stood up and asked:
“It is said that the non-Brahmins should not hear the recital of the Vedas.”

M.: Mind your business. Take care of what you came here for. Why do you waste your time in these matters? “I heard the recital,” you say. “Who is that ‘I’? Without knowing the ‘I’ you are using the word. If its significance be known there will be no doubt. Find the ‘I’ first and you may afterwards speak of other matters.” Continuing, Sri Bhagavan said: “The smritis say something. They are not appropriate now. I will reform the world, rewrite the smritis.” Saying so, people are cutting capers in the world from time immemorial. Such reformers have come and gone; but the ancient smritis still stand. Why waste time over such matters? Let each one mind his business. All will be well.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Slandering
« on: March 09, 2010, 09:36:06 AM »
(Shirdi) Baba required no special place, nor any special time for giving instructions. Whenever any occasion demanded, He gave them freely. Once it so happened that a Bhakta of Baba, reviled another behind his back, before other people. On leaving aside merits, he dwelt on the faults of his brother, and spoke so sarcastically, that the hearers were disgusted. Generally, we see that people have a tendency to scandalize others, un-necessarily; and this brings on hatred and ill-will. Saints see scandal, in another light. They say that there are various ways of cleansing or removing dirt, viz. by means of earth, water and soap etc., but a scandal-monger has got a way of his own. He removes the dirt (faults) of others by his tongue; so in a way of obliges the person, whom he reviles and for this he is to be thanked. Sai Baba had his own method of correcting the scandal-monger. He knew by his omniscience what the slanderer had done and when He met him at noon near the Lendi, Baba pointed out to him a pig that was eating filth near the fence and said to him - "Behold how, with what relish it is gorging dung. Your conduct is similar. You go on reviling your own brethren to your heart's content. After performing many deeds of merit, you are born a man, and if you act like this, will Shirdi help you in any way?" Needless to say, that the Bhakta took the lesson to his heart, and went away.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 09, 2010, 09:30:25 AM »

whether it is on (true) guru or (false) Guru will never fail,

It is bad practice to criticise Gurus, who are we to criticise? what are we? are we any authority? During Bhagavan Ramana's times, there were many many (fake) swamis, have we ever heard any comment by Ramana that he is fraud, fake etc...?

Its bad practrice.

If a devotee is to be faked by a Guru, that is his biggest teaching by the Guru.

Can there be any NON TEACHING? any where? even being cheated, etc... are the biggest teaching.

We have to restraint from gossips commenting and other various slandering.

Utmost importance is practice of Ahimsa, even more than having Brahma Jnanam. Hurting other by way of mouth is worst possible sin.

We are no body to tell people which is right way and wrong way.

verse 129 from Tirukkural:

"Theeyinal Sutta Pun Ullarum, Aarathe Naavinal Sutta Vadu" which means "The wound caused by fire heals with time, but the wound caused by harsh words will never heal".

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Baba & Ramana
« on: March 08, 2010, 12:07:58 PM »
"The old order changeth, yielding place to new, And God fulfils Himself in many ways, Lest one good custom should corrupt the world"

(King Arthur in Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur).

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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