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There is nothing in debating these topics...

Its a good fruit for the ego to go on...  

Somewhere deep inside we, the 'I' wants such spices to keep going and strengthen itself ...  

some how i would like to keep away from this... we all know what happened between two famous math fights. they left the essential teachings of Guru and his teachings and went about researching to defame each other. The cold war still persists.

Controversies are virus.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Infact, we all would have heard our elders say that one should not read or keep Mahabharata in Homes... thats basically because, these stories, could corrupt the reader. These are to be learnt only from a Guru. There have been some systems.. one cannot take initiations into mantras all by himself, a Guru has to initiate a disciple.

Mantras are not just syllables, they could prove destructive if wrongly used.

Our ancient seers, what ever puranas, we may read, they never recorded any controversial piece of informations, they are wise.

There is a saying ... "nadi moolam rishi moolam" should not be enquired upon at all meaning the source of a river and a rishi should never be enquired or even attempted to even know them at all.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

We have read in Puranas, many stories... In Ramayana we have seen how Sage Vishwamitra requested Sri Rama to come and kill those Rakshasas who were creating trouble while conducting Yajnas...

Those Rakshasas not to be literally taken, but, these bits of informations are themselves Rakshasas. They come and may affect a Sadhaka. If one is a Jivan Mukta its fine... all of us are just Sadhakas. These may tend to corrupt the minds and slow our progress and cause trouble to our faith! Why bring forth such Rakshasas ourselves?

Its like, showing porn videos to children.

... just my humble request and opinion... that these bits can be avoided... we are not going to gain anything out of it... these are not going to serve any purposes.... it will only create agitation in our (sadhakas) minds of

Why not we immerse ourselves only in Bhakti and inknowing the True Self... is this not our true duty?

Salutations to Sri Ramana

What are controversial and rubbish, need not be brought forward at all. This is my humble opinion. Its like opening the burial ground and extracting the rotten bones and smelling it.

Spiritually, its not good.

Salutations to Sri Ramana


Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

i never went to Tiruvannamalai ! I really wish to go there!

If you visit once, you will feel like visiting again and again... and that too very quickly and often one would want to visit Sri Ramanashramam.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Kuchela and Krishna
« on: August 02, 2010, 03:54:10 PM »
One day, before dawn, when I was restless in my bed, rolling from one side to another, Bhagavan came to me and asked "Are you not getting sleep? What are you worried about?" I told him "I am thinking of taking up sanyasa. If I do it here my people would discover it. So, I want to go away to a distant place like Varanasi and become a sanyasi there."  He at once went and brought Bhakta Vijayam, read out from it the portion dealing with Vitoba's determination to remain a sanyasi in a forest and the advice of his son Jnana Dev, that the same mind goes with a man whether he stays at home or retires into a forest, and told me I could attain jnana continuing to be a house holder.Thereupon I asked Bhagavan "Why did you become a Sanyasi?" He replied, "That was my destiny," and added, "Though it is irksome to remain a householder, it is easy to attain jnana that way."

 - Velacheri Rangachari Iyer's Reminiscences.

i feel, Rangan is Kuchela and Bhagavan is Krishna. The relationship between Sri Bhagavan and Rangan is very special.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Yesterday, night i was just remembering Sri Bhagavan along with Sri Sheshadri Swamigal.... for some strange reason, it just occured or flashed to me that Sheshadri Swamigal was Uma Devi, Unnamalai or Apitakuchalaambaal. She had come here, before her Parameshwara came. Sri Sheshadri Swamigal was a highest order Sri Vidya Upasaka, Sri Vidya Upasakas are known to be the Shakti. Our beloved Sri Ramana is Shiva and Sri Sheshadri swamigal is Shakti.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles Do Happen
« on: August 01, 2010, 07:06:10 PM »
If i am not wrong, the name of the attendant you are talking about in also Subramaniam.

General topics / Re: Why Advaita is Not To Be Applied to the Guru ?
« on: August 01, 2010, 05:47:31 PM »
Dear I,

The confusions regarding translating tamizh words or sanskrit into english is the most challenging. Infact, you translations have been very clear in all your posts. Infact, we are all thankful to persons like yourself and Sri Subramanaian, to play such an active part in this forum, without both your presence, there would have been just conversation thats all. That culture of behaving in presence of elders is a great boon to us all, as it is from this that one begins to eradicate the ego.

Dear Sir, if you feel, your english translations is poor, then i need to hide my head like an ostrich if i think of my english -

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

I have been to arunachalam once in dec 2009 and bhagavan willing want to visit again.

Its everybody's deep desire to be at ones home, its like being in a mother's womb to be in Ramanashramam. He will definitely pull us at the right time for sure.  :)

I had to make a small correction from myprevious post. I had mentioned that in the multiple edition of Arunachala's Raman, Boundless ocean of Grace, there are several  pictures of Bhagavan's handwriting, infact there are few captions of Bhagavan, not many, there are many rare pictures though.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Miracles Do Happen
« on: August 01, 2010, 05:07:07 PM »
Dear I,

I just saw inception...and at the risk of making this sound trivial, the whole concept of dream state and reality reminded me of sri bhagavan's teachings. Ofcourse a movie can be no comparison of bhagavan's teachings..but just the whole concept got me thinking about it...

Even during sri bhagavan's time, the concept of dream state was often discussed, especially by sh.major chadwick...and although he got replies from sri bhagavan..he picked it up at every possible opportunity...

Has any of u watched inception...did you draw any parallels to the dream state and reality given therein?

Star Trek Series and Matrix is also based on Vedantic philosophies only. Especially Matrix very much goes in the line of 'Maya' concept. Infact even James Camaroons Avatar is also based on 'Maya'. I don't know if anyone of you have watched Avatar.

and also, the best of them, I love is "The beautiful Mind" is the most intelligent movie made so far.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

Yes, your observation is so true, there seems to have been a sense of urgency, quickly writing and begin His journey. Infact, in the Asramamam, we have one book published called "The works of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi in His own handwriting" this conmtains allmost all works that we have read in several books, right from Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai, to Aatma Bodham in tamizh, Vedanta Saaram to songs like Appala Paattu, etc... His handwriting is like a Print published, I seldom came across any scratches in His writing and especially in the multiple edition of Arunachala's Raman, Boundless ocean of Grace, there are several pictures of Bhagavan's own hand writing.

a sample of Sri Bhagavans' handwriting from this book is given below (picked from Sri David Godman's website)

Bhagavan was a great artist too and the detailing in his drawing shows how observant He is, This is not a drawing of a novice. His has drawn the Holy Hill, that appears in most of the books -

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Re: Why Advaita is Not To Be Applied to the Guru ?
« on: August 01, 2010, 03:53:48 PM »
Dear I,

            Our normal understanding is that the gap between two thoughts (which you referred as cessation of thought) is silence.In reality, it is not silence because,the  awarer of absence of thought, is the 'I' thought also known as mind. JK beautifully explains that there is silence when there is  no ME to observe the silence.Here ME refers to the subject or the I thought.
             Sri Sadhu Om Swamigal in his book Path ramana terms this state of cessation of thought as Suddha Nilai (pure state) where as state of realization is termed as Mei Nilai or Anubuthi Nilai. Sadhu Om Swamigal says that during sadhana if anything is observed or experienced,it means that sadhana  of self enquiry is interrupted.Now,we the sadhakas are very curious to know the state of realization and a question was put to Bhagavan to describe that state and Bhagavan replied that when the devotee reaches the state of realization he will know of it.This is because the state of realization cannot be described in words.   

You have a wonderful knack of explaining things beautifully and in most simple words and briefly too! it is so very clear. Thank you.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

(Original manuscript as written by Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi in His own handwriting)

I have set out in quest of my Father in accordance with his command. This (meaning his person) has only embarked on a virtuous enterprise. Therefore, no one need grieve over this act. And no money need be spent in search of this. Your college fee has not been paid. Herewith rupees two."

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