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General topics / Re: Why Advaita is Not To Be Applied to the Guru ?
« on: August 09, 2010, 07:40:47 PM »
Dear I,
It is true that person should not apply the lesson what he learned from his guru. In many places it is said "do what I say but do not do what I do". Moreover, after learning how for it is good not to put it into practical life. The first problem is we have to live in this society. If we keep the truth in our heart, what is the use of learning. In one way it is good not to know any thing, but after knowing if we cannot put into practice then there is no meaning.

Truth is not something that is practiced, Truth is our very being. Truth is simple being. So long there is 'practice' involved in 'being' the Truth it is just a sadhana yet, the enquiry needs to still carry on so that the 'I' gets completely merged into Self.

Therefore, we need not worry about applying Truth in society, there is no application here. Only those who feel they have attained all that is there, they are the ones who really need to worry about this because they are deluded.

Truth is our being, there is no fear of applicability of applying it to anybody.

Therefore, this is only a gentle warning by the scriptured and Bhagavan that don't ever get deluded that you have attained the advaitic state and act inappropriately.

Even realisation is only a byproduct in the end. we will not know when we have attained realisation, for there is no attainment here, it is simply being one Self.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Do not kill the snake
« on: August 09, 2010, 07:09:27 PM »
One morning in December, 1945, Chinnaswami and others saw a snake crawling near Bhagavan's hall. People started shouting outside, "What kind of a snake is it? Beat it! Beat it! When Bhagavan heard the sound of beating of the snake he cried out, "Who is beating it?" Apparently this remonstration of Bhagavan was lost in the noise of the crowd, and the snake was killed. When Bhagavan came to know this he said, "If these persons are beaten like that, then they will know what it means to be beaten."

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

I feel everybody who gets in touch with Sri Bhagavan gets Dhiksha/Upadesha, Bhagavan gives Dhiksha to everybody. Some of us recognise it immediately and others a little later. There is no body who doesn't get Dhiksha/Upadesha.

He is verily Kalpavruksha.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

R. Narayana Iyer recollects -

Once a few very learned Sanskrit scholars were seated in the hall discussing portions of the Upanishads and other scriptural texts with Bhagavan. I felt in my heart, how great these people are and how fortunate they are to be so learned and to have such deep understanding and ability to discuss with our Bhagavn. I felt miserable. After the pandits had taken leave, Bhagavan turned to me and said, "What?" looking into my etes and studying my thoughts, "This is only the husk ! All this book learning and capacity to repeat the scriptures by memory is absolutely of no use. To know the Truth, you need not undergo all this torture of learning and capacity to repeact the scriptures by memory is absolutely of no use. To know the Truth, you need not undergo all this torture of learning. Not by reading do you get the Truth.

Be Quiet that is Truth. Be Still, that is God."

Then very graciously he turned to me again, and there was an immediate change in his tone and attitude. He asked, "Do you shave yourself?" Bewildered by this sudden change, I answered trembling that I did. "Ah", he said, "For shaving you use a mirror, don't you? You look into the mirror and then shave your face; you don't shave the image in the mirror. Similarly, all scriptured are meant only to show you the way of Realisation. They are meant for practice and attainment. Mere book learning and discussion are comparable to a man shaving the image in the mirror." From that day onwards my long-standing sense of inferiority vanished once for all.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Once on the 1940s, I was sitting outside the hall with many devotees. Bhagavan was reclining on a couch. A group of learned pandits was discussing passages from the Upanishads with great enthusiasm and profoundity. All, including Bhagavan, appeared to be attentively listening to the interesting discussion when, all of a sudden, Bhagavan rose from the couch, walked some distance and stood before a villager who was standing looking lowly with palms joined. All eyes turned to Bhagavan and the villager who was standing at a distance. They appeared to be conversing. Soon Bhagavan returned to his couch and the discussion was resumed.

Being curious to know why Bhagavan had to go to meet a villager, I slipped away from the discussion and caught up with the villager befre he left the Ashramam. He told me that Bhagavan was asking why I was standing so far and also asked my name, about my village, what I did, and about my family etc. I enquired, "Did you ask him anything?" The villager replied, "When I asked him how I could earn his blessings, he asked whether there was a temple in my village and the name of the village the name of the deity. When I told him the deity's name, he said, go on repeating the name of the deity and you would receive all the blessings needed"

I came back to Bhagavan's presence, but lots all interest in the discussions. I felt that the simple humility and devotion of a peasant had evoked a far greater response from our master than any amount of learning. I then decided that though a scholar by profession, I should always remain a humble, ignoranyt peasant at heart and pray for Bhagavan's grace and blessings.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Once an Ashramam deer was attacked by some animals and the wounds turned from bad to worse. Bhagavan sat near the deer, held its face in his hand, looking at its tearful eyes. The sarvadhikari of the Ashramam asked my(Dr. K. Subramanian) uncle who was standing close, to look after the deer and relieve Bhagavan. Bhagavan heard this but did not make any response, and sat there till the deer breathed its last. There is a samadhi for the deer near that of the cow Lakshmi.

When Bhagavan had blisters on his hands due to grinding chutney everyday and did not heed to the request of Viswanatha Swami not to undertake the job, Swami went to the kitchen early and did all the work Bhagavan used to do. Bhagavan asked him why he had done his work in the morning. When Swami said that he could not bear to see Bhagavan grinding chutney with blisters on his hands, Bhagavn said, "In the early days I used to go for bhiksha. Now I am getting free food in the Ashramam. That is why I do some work or the other in the kitchen. Today you have done my work. Please give me your dhoti. I will wash it for you." When Swami heard this he was moved to tears.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

M.V. Ramanachalam was a boyhood friend of Sri Bhagavan and son of M.S. Venkataramana Iyer.

Once, as a boy, while leaving the Ashramam, a deep sorrow suddenly overtook me and I began to cry. I refused to go with my mother, telling her that I wanted to stay with Bhagavan. Bhagavan who was going that way, stopped and told me gently, "Go with your mother now and come back when you are 21."

My father died when I was just 17. After a few months my mother took us for Bhagavan's darshan. When she prostrated she began to shed tears. As it was the custom in those days, my mother was not wearing any jewellary. She had her head shaved and covered it with her sari. She was wondering whether Bhagavan would recognise her and asked, "Bhagavan do you recognise me?" He smiled and said, "Why not? only the makeup has changed (veshyamdhaan maari irukku)."

When 21, as I got posted at a place near Tiruvannamalai, I could not go to the Ashramam on Sundays and holidays to sit at his feet. Once I took his permission to go to the summit of the hill. There I scrapped some Kartikai Deepam residue of soot from a rock and put it on a leaf. I wanted to present it to Bhagavan. When I came down, the sarvadhikari called and shouted, "Where were you? Bhagavan is waiting for you. Go and join him for lunch." After lunch, I approached him when attendant Krishnaswami was not there, for he would never allow anyone to approach Bhagavan easily. I took out the Deepam ghee which I had collected  from the summit and offered it to him. He pulled my hand closer and took the offered prasadam, and with great reverence applied it to his forehead saying, "Are you satisfied now?"

Salutations to Sri Ramana

A week before the mahanirvana, the cancerous growth near Bhagavan's left elbow had swollen to a big size  with bandage around it. A number of doctors and many important people were in the Nirvana Room. Aunt Alamelu took my last child, barely 11 months old, near Bhagavan. The child started prattling 'inga, inga' unusually loudly. Alamelu took the child far from Bhagavan but her prattle was audible to Bhagavan. Those were the days when the smallest movement of any part of the body would entail excruciating pain for Bhagavan. But he turned his face in all directions and sais, "I hear the voice of 'inga' bady. Is she here? Poor child! if she raises her voice, she is carried far away!" Someone ran to Aunt Alamelu who brought the child to Bhagavan, who looked at her with compassion saying 'inga'. The child shouted 'inga' and Bhagavan's face was wreathed in smiles.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Bhagavan & Rangan 6
« on: August 09, 2010, 10:45:05 AM »
I got very well with Bhagavans' mother because we had known each other when she lived in Madurai. On one occasion she told me, "One day when I was looking steadily at Bhagavan, his body gradually disappeared and in its place I saw the lingam. The lingam was very bright. I could not believe my eyes. I rubbed my eyes but I still saw the same, bright lingam. I was frightened because I thought my son was leaving us forever. Fortunately, the lingam gradually transformed itself into Bhagavan's body." After hearing her account I looked at Bhagavan for confirmation or comment, but he just smiled and said nothing.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

General topics / Arunagirinathar - Muthai Tharu
« on: August 08, 2010, 01:11:30 PM »
...In spite of her being reduced to this most pitiable condition, she could not imagine displeasing Arunagiri. But, now she was utterly helpless. She grew desparate and said, "Brother! I had been helping you with all that I had. But now I find no means to help you. Yet I cannot think of displeasing you. Brother, tell me what can I do? Well, only one means is left now. Though we are born of the same mother, our fathers are dfferent. Hence, the pleasure that you seek from a woman, you can find with me!"

She would have continued, but her throat choked; she became silent.

Lo! These words entered Arunagiri's heart like sharp arrows and shook his very being so fundamentally that he repented with a contrite heart for all his past misdeeds and wept bitterly. And in a moment he decided to put an end to his life as an expiation for all the sins committed by him.

Before his sister could understand as to what was happening to Arunagiri, he ran posthaste, climbed the tower of the Arunachala Temple, repented with an honest feeling, cried aloud the Name of the Lord, "Muruga! Muruga! Muruga!" and jumped down, to put an end to his miserable existence and thereby be freed from his sins.

Who can understand the ways of the Lord! Ere Arunagiri fell towards the ground, when there stood the Lord with His outstretched hands and held Arunagiri in His warm embrace. Yet, Arunagiri knew not anything.

With His Vel, the Lord wrote His sacred Mantra on Arunagiri's tongue, gave him a Japa Mala, named him "Arunagiri-naathar," and commanded him to sing His glories. Arunagirinathar hesitated. The Lord Himself then gave the first line as, Muthai Tharu...:

This song is held as Mantra Paadal (Manta Song) among Koumaarams (worshipers of Murugan), the song itself is so very potent and trigger one to tremendous source of Grace. Murugan songs are best when it is sung in Shanmukha priya raagam, the name of raaga itself conveys the fervour! Shanmuka Priya (Lord Murugan's favourite raaga)

Here is a nice link of the Song with tamizh lyrics.

muththaiththaru paththith thirunakai
     aththikkiRai saththis saravaNa
          muththikkoru viththuk gurupara ...... enavOthum

mukkatpara maRkuc churuthiyin
     muRpattathu kaRpith thiruvarum
          muppaththumu varkkath thamararum ...... adipENap

paththuththalai thaththak kaNaithodu
     otRaikkiri maththaip poruthoru
          pattappakal vattath thikiriyil ...... iravAkap

paththaRkira thaththaik kadaviya
     pachchaippuyal mechchath thakuporuL
          patchaththodu ratchith tharuLvathum ...... orunALE

thiththiththeya oththap paripura
     nirththappatham vaiththup payiravi
          thikkotkana dikkak kazhukodu ...... kazhuthAdath

thikkuppari attap payiravar
     thokkuththoku thokkuth thokuthoku
          chithrappavu rikkuth thrikadaka ...... enavOthak

koththuppaRai kottak kaLamisai
     kukkukkuku kukkuk kukukuku
          kuththipputhai pukkup pidiyena ...... muthukUkai

kotputRezha natpatR RavuNarai
     vettippali yittuk kulakiri
          kuththuppada oththup poravala ...... perumALE.

......... Meaning .........

muththaiththaru paththith thirunakai aththikkiRai: "You are the Consort of DEvayAnai* with a beautiful smile and lovely teeth looking like pearls!

saththis saravaNa: You are SaravaNabhava holding the powerful spear called SakthivEl!

muththikkoru viththuk gurupara: You are the foremost seed for the Heaven" -

enavOthum mukkatpara maRku: so praises Lord SivA, with three eyes (the Sun, the Moon and the Fire-Agni);

suruthiyin muRpattathu kaRpiththu: to that SivA, You preached the fundamental ManthrA OM dating earlier than the VEdAs

iruvarum muppaththumu varkkath thamararum adipENap:
while the other two of the Trinity (BrahmA and Vishnu), along with thirty three crores of DevAs, watched (Your preaching) and worshipped Your feet!

paththuththalai thaththak kaNaithodu: He shot an arrow to scatter the ten heads of RAvaNA (RAmAvathAram);

otRaikkiri maththaip poruthoru: He churned the milky ocean with the incomparable Mount Manthara (KUrmAvathAram);

pattappakal vattath thikiriyil iravAka: He hid the Sun with His ChakrA (disc) in daytime making it night (KrishnAvathAram);

paththaRkira thaththaik kadaviya: He drove the chariot for His friend and devotee, Arjunan (KrishnAvathAram);

pachchaippuyal mechchath thakuporuL: and He is Lord Vishnu, the emerald-green and cloud-complexioned. You are His favourite!

patchaththodu ratchith tharuLvathum orunALE: Will You be kind enough to come and protect me one of these days?

(The second half of this song describes Murugan's war against the demons)

thiththiththeya oththu: In accordance with the meter 'thiththiththeya',

ap paripura nirththappatham vaiththup payiravi thikkotka nadikka: anklets in Her feet jingled as Bhairavi (KALi) danced fiercely moving in all the eight directions;

kazhukodu kazhuthAda: the devils in the battlefield danced along with the eagles;

thikkuppari attap payiravar: the eight bhairavAs** protecting all directions

chithrappavu rikku thokkuththoku thokkuth thokuthoku thrikadaka enavOtha: choreographed for this unique dance in the meter of 'thokkuththoku thokkuth thokuthoku thrikadaka';

koththuppaRai kotta: a series of drums were beaten to the same tune;

kaLamisai muthukUkai: in the battlefield, old vultures screamed

kukkukkuku kukkuk kukukuku kuththipputhai pukkup pidiyena kotputRezha: 'kukkukkuku kukkuk kukukuku, stab and bury, attack and catch' and they kept revolving around the corpses, flying upwards in circles;

natpatR RavuNarai vettippali yittu: the hostile demons (asuras) were killed en masse; and

kulakiri kuththuppada: their mountain Krounchagiri was shattered into pieces

oththup poravala perumALE.: when You fought the righteous war, Oh Great One!


Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Bhagavan & Rangan 5
« on: August 08, 2010, 11:06:14 AM »
There were many occasions when I needed help and I soon got into the habit of telling Bhagavan all about my family troubles on my visits to the Skandashramam. On one occasion he turned to me and said, "You think that your own troubles are very great. What do you know of my troubles? Let me tell you about one incident.

Once, while climbing a steep part of the mountain, I was holding on to a rock to keep my balance. The rock was loose and would not take my weight. I fell back and was partly burried by a small avalance of stones. I managed to remove them but found my left thumb dislocated. It was hangine loosely near the finger. I pushed back the thumb into its socket." Bhagavan's mother told me that she could not bear to recall that accident. He came home bleeding all over.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Dreams - Chalam
« on: August 08, 2010, 10:45:05 AM »
In one of my dreams Bhagavan appeared and asked me, "Will you choose a writing career or Self Realisation?" I replied in the dream that I would choose Self Realisation. After this dream, people who had read my published stories used to ask, "What are you writing nowadays?" When I answered, "Bhagavan told me to stop," they would look at me in disbelief.

I continued my sadhana at home. If Bhagavan had not guided me through my dreams during that long period (before I moved to Arunachala permanently in 1950), I would have gone astray many times and would have been deceived by many.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear I,

Very true and i completely feel the same very strongly, that we should only share and discuss only informations of satvic nature. i very strongly feel so, discipline is essential and very important to keep our minds pure and divine.

More over, what ever sorrows or problems, people have to experience on part of their Prarabhdha Karma, others only act as tools, so that we end up experiencing our prarabhdha. They by themselves are not responsible for our sufferings prarabhdha karmas.

We remind ourselves a hundred times to not to take doer-ship of our actions, but when it comes to others, we so easily forget the teachings, Hitler too is only a tool in the hands of the ordainer, what ever was destined to happen was only to happen. it is sad to note that we usually end up thrusting doership on persons like Hitler.

Perhaps Bhagavan was only pointing out this that Hitler himself is not the doer, and he was only a 'tool', like wise Duryodhana, Shakuni Ravana, Kumbhakarna, Hiranyakashipu, etc... Certain incidents are beyond human grasp, we cannot know answers for all questions, its best to just leave them alone and rest in peace thinking of Sri Bhagavan.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Tamizh as we know toaday, its past, rare scriptures, manuscripts, everything we owe to Sri U V Swaminatha Iyer.

Further infomation can be checked from Wikipedia:

Infact, a lot of emotions come out watching this video, very wonderful!

He is called as Tamizh Thaathaa, compassionately by all

Salutations to Sri Ramana

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