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Dear Srkudai,

Its a catch 22 situation until we are able to.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: It will come out alright in the end
« on: September 20, 2011, 08:26:50 AM »
Dear Anand,

To me Bhagavan means that all these feelings, bad times, etc... are all temporary, they pass even if we hold on to it, as it is prakruti. So its a definite assurance that those things would go away and one need not worry about it.

Just remember some of your past, they have all gone by, yesterday's sorrow is no more there now but it was such great cause of pain then, now its nothing even when we think about that!

when we were young, on not doing our homework, we feared the wrath of our teacher, but its gone!

Like this, Happiness and Sorrowfulness, both are transient. They don't last permanently, But yourself have been a witness to all these right from your childhood days to now, you are unchanged, and you will continue to be! you experienced happiness, sorrow, anger, frustration, despondent feelings, etc... and are unchanged

All those experiences have kept changing and moved but you remain still unchanged. Bhagavan asks us to focus our attention on that which remains unchanged and not not what that changes, for we have no use or control over them for they will end according to nature or prakruti.

Any feelings, situations, depressions, anger, happiness, etc... all are temporary, so let them be, do not take ashrayam on them and get depressed and React with emotions, do not depend on these temporary things as they are going to deceive you. You just hold on to the permanent Bhagavan says! He says like Krishna in BG, to remain the same in heat and cold, in happpiness and sorrow, pain and pleasure by RECOGNISING / DISCERNING THE REALITY OF ALL THESE TEMPORARY FEELINGS.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Anand,

There is nothing to worry, Krishna says in BG -

स्वल्पमस्य धर्मस्य त्रायते महतो भयात्

There is no loss of effort in this yoga (Practice). Even if it is stopped in the middle(due to various samsara problems), no harm is produced. Even a little of this knowledge, even a little practice of this yoga(Practice), protects man from great fear.

A litttle bit of practice or even no practice, even the thought of God or even if it is just a passing thought about Self Enquiry, it benefits.

Moreover, Krishna also assures as follows - (already posted under topic "Daily Mssage from AHAM, Repy 206)

Even if our lives were to end, Krishna says in BG -

He who has fallen from Yoga, obtains the higher words to which men of meritorious deeds alone are entitled and having resided there thereafter take birth in a house of the pious or wealthy

Or he is born in the amily of enlightened Yogis itself; but to get such a birth in this worlf is very difficult

O Kurunandana, He regains in that borth the spiritual insight of his previous birth and through that he strives harder than ever for perfection!

He feels drawn towards God by force of the habit acquired in his previous birth, even the seeker of enlightenment on yoga rises above the actions prescribed by the word of the Vedas

The Yogi However, who diligently takes up the pratice attains perfection in this very life, with the help of inheritance from many births and being thoroughly purged of sin, then reaches the SUPREME STATE

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Prashant,

Ramana Maharshi says - "The physical organ is on the left; that is not denied. But the Heart of which I speak is non-physical and is only on the right side. It is my experience, no authority is required by me. Still you can find confirmation in a Malayalam Ayurvedic book and in Sita Upanishad; and he produced the quotation (mantra) from the latter and repeated the text (sloka) from the former."

It is the centre of the Self. The Self is the centre of the centres. This heart represents psychic centre and not the physical centre. This is the Seat of the Self.

Ramana Maharshi Says - "Atman is in the Heart itself and IS the Heart itself"

Ramana Maharshi had studied in a Christian school when he was in Madurai, hence he was well aware about the Bible. He once referred to the Bible for - "Be still and know that I am God", Psalm 46, found in Ecclesiates. "There is one alone and there is no second" and "the wise man's heart is on the right hand and a fool's heart is at the left."

The famous one from the bible is "I am That I am"

Also whenever we do Nyasa before we start some particular Parayanams, we use the Bija Mantras, etc... which goes like this

.......... Iti Bijam we keep our fingers on the right side of chest, signifying the centre of the Bija or source.
.......... Iti Shaktihi on the left side of our chest.
.......... Iti Keelakam on the center base of our chest.

It is simply a pure witness of all the activities of the Sukshma Aham-kara

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Vishnu Sahasranamam and Self Enquiry
« on: September 19, 2011, 12:18:43 PM »
Dear friends,

I wanted to start a topic on Vishnu Sahasranamam. I feel Vishnu Sahasranamam is an excellent stotram that portraits the highest Brahman. Its a very common practice to chant Vishnu Sahasranamam in most South Indian houses even today. I have always found many parallels in the Sahasranama and Bhagavan's teachings and felt it would be great opportunity to go through the 1000 names of Vishnu here with the interpretations of Bhagavan's teachings.

When we listen to the name "Vishnu" what immediately comes to our mind is only the figure of Vishnu with a mace, Abhaya Hastam, etc... which is fine but it is more important to discern the real meaning of the word "Vishnu" which means "He who pervades everywhere" what Bhagavan says as "the Self, which is everywhere"

Learning Vishnu Sahasranamam and chanting it with understanding by itself is Self Enquiry exactly as revealed by Bhagavan.

Most of us have questions regarding the methodology of Self Enquiry. Practices such as Chanting Vishnu Sahasranamam by itself is method, as in we need not even worry about method as to how to do self enquiry, whether it is like this? or different? or am I doing it correctly? etc... The method/formula is already given in the form of Shlokas and we only need to contemplate on the shlokas in that order which is Self Enquiry itself.

Chanting Vishnu Sahasranamam itself is Enquiring into Self.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Bhagavan's voice
« on: September 19, 2011, 11:29:12 AM »
there are some sentences mentioned exactly as uttered by Bhagavan in Talks and Day by Day with Bhagavan and Chrished Memories by Kanakammaal and I internally try to listen to the voice of Bhagavan and its very sweet, brief and soft! None like Him

Salutations to Bhagavan

Apparently, Bhagavan speaks when you talk to him. As Sadhaks, we all do feel low often due to the burden of Samsara and at times and I often resort to Bhagavan (his photograph) and talk to him about my confusions in handling the situations and I mean literally talk to Bhagavan just like how we talk to others, He also responds in the language of silence as you have mentioned Bhagavan's words -

"When there is Heart-contact, there is no use for spoken words"

In the end the situations are taken care by themselves. He makes you stay "Summa Iru" He forcefully makes ones outgoing mind inward and is rested and that Karma is taken care by itself instead of us dabbling with the situations and complicate and increase the karmas further!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Subramanian Sir,

Yes, I have read about this Bhagavan's statement of desiring the Self. But without this one cannot be Bhagavan's devotee or even more one cannot come into spirituality. Without this desire one cannot be here doing vichara. So this desire is already there in everybody. But eventually one has to give up even this desire; Give Up even that for Bhagavan. Sharanagati Bhavam,, complete Sharanagati Bhavam; Thou Will alone; doesn't matter even if I mave have to take 100 more janmams but with complete Sharanagati to Thou Holy Feet.

and Yes, Bhagavan has talked about Parial Surrender. To begin with each of us has no other option but this. Its Automatic along with desiring the Self.

Till we realise and are able to Abide as Self each of us is able to only partially Surrender. Complete Surrendering is Realisation of Self, Abidance as Self. in This way, Surrender is just only once, Final Surrender and all surrendering before this is all partial. Until this, we are still caught up with ourselves and being in the company of Bhagavan etc... Spiritual inclinations, etc.. are all acts of partial Surrender.

These are no planned efforts. "avan arulal avan thal vananki" Only if He wills will we be able to Surrender.

Bhagavan also has mentioned that after a certain point, we have nothing more in our hands, where all efforts cease. It is all upto HIM then. Then we will begin  to get the Bhavam such as not even desiring Self but just Thou.

Nochur Acharyal, in his pravachanams has also mentioned about this topic on how many devotees considered even Self Realisation lesser than being with the feeling of presence of Bhagavan, He used to say that some devotees feel so deeply "who even wants Aatmanubhavam? I want only Bhagavan alne and nothing else"

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: September 14, 2011, 05:55:53 PM »
Traditionally speaking, according to the shruti's any mantra will only be effective only when we receive a Dheeksha from a Guru.

Legend has it that even Valmiki got Rama Naama Dheeksha from Narada. At that time, Valmiki could not even utter the word "Rama" and was only able to utter it as "Mara"

However, these days, people take up by themlseves, which too will accrue same effect. Its best to seek a Guru and get a Dheeksha specially if it is a "Mantra"

For Nama Japa, one may take by oneself, say Rama, Rama Jai Raja Ram, Rama, Rama Jai Sita Ram or Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare. Bhagavata says, Nama Smarana is best for Kali Yuga to get salvation.

Since in our country we have the Guru Sihsya Parampara since time immemorial, its best advised to seek from one Guru.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Puranas
« on: September 14, 2011, 04:33:11 PM »
Dear Ramana1359,

In my humble opinion No Puranas are either Satwic or Rajasic or even Tamasic. It is actually a mis information, whereever you may have read it from.

In my humble opinion, Puranas are "Divine Light of Knowledge"

There is no question of Satwic or Rajasic or Tamasic in it.

Satwic, Rajasic and Tamasic are only the attributes of "Mind" for humans, and does not apply to Puranas or any Scriptures!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear ramana1359,

Surrender to any God, personal or impersonal or Saguna Brahman or Nirguna Brahman if that act leads you live virtuously and wisely and helps you to curb ego or work of our minds.

That Surrender also means not even having the desire for liberation as well !

Salutations to Bhagavan

Adding a couple of more thoughts for our daily practical life.

If we carefully look at people and are able to discern, recognise as to why they are like the way they are seen, then we can clearly see their insecurities, lack of love, lack of care, fears etc...

If we are able to discern these aspects in other humans then we are truly human beings. Suppose we are able to recognise that somebody is actually very insecure and thats why the are cranky, then discernment and surrendering is not to go and tell them "Dont feel insecure and give them loads of empty advise" but to "live and make them feel secure without words"  Supose a person is depressed, then instead of telling them "dont be depressed in life" just holding their hands in their journey of life is Living the Truth, Recognition. Responding instead of Reacting after proper recognition and discernment is Surrendering!

Really feel each and every word of what we say Truthfully is Tapas.

सत्यम् ब्रूयात् प्रियम् ब्रूयात् न ब्रूयात् सत्यमप्रियम् |
प्रियम् नानृतं ब्रूयात् एष धर्मः सनातनः ||

satyam bruyat priyam bruyat na bruyat satyam apriyam
priyam ca nanrutam bruyat esha dharmah sanatanah

Speak truth in such a way that it should be pleasing to others. Never speak truth, which is unpleasant to others. Never speak untruth, which might be pleasant. This is the path of eternal morality, sanatana dharma.

Showing kindness after such discernment and not REACTING without proper recognition or discernment  is True Surrendering in LIFE.

If we are clearly able to see TRUTH in everybody, with the wisdom of Recognition and Discernment then we will easily be able to FORGIVE people for their histrionics and for their behavior and instead of reacting with anger, if we are able to respond with love and compassion, then we become light for many people.

What people want is just care, love, compassion, no matter who, our family or our bosses at work or any street urchin. Anybody!

and instead of solving our daily problems, if we are able to fill it with love and compassion, most problems themselves get solved. Its only when we use our freewill in the name of correcting situations and people that leads to dissatisfaction and friction. People dont want advise, they want LOVE, Compassion, Care. This is Recognition/Discernment Surrendering our Free will to solve people or advise people or say to people what they did was wrong or what they did was right.

This wisdom is recognition of the weakness in the other and letting go of our own truth for a bigger cause. We may be true but we should not hold on to "our truth" like a leach. Let go our victory sometimes for others is surrendering.

Love is a Divine Healer. Bhagavan's unsullied love was/is such a balm for everybody to their bosom heart!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Anand,

Surrender is not gradual. It happens just once. There is no concept to Surrendering. If we have some residue concept or idea to surrender then it only means we have still not been able to surrender yet, we are unable to let go our "FREE WILL"

What is there to surrender really? what is it that we need to surrender? What is being surrendered? What is it that is aspired to be surrendered? When we reflect on these questions very carefully, we can discern that its our interpreting mind which is required to be surrendered. That which is expressing itself out is aspiring to surrender!

It leads us to a slightly paradoxical understanding! When we see into the question as to what it is that needs to be surrenderd, we see that it is the very thing that is wanting to surrender, trying to surrender itself! the very agent that is asking this question! it is the thinking agent - the mind! It is this thinking stuff - mind that needs to be surrendered!

So when we say phrases such as "I want to surrender", "How to Surrender?" etc...

We are identifying ourselves as the mind extended as body. Rope is seen as Snake by mistake. we are asking how to kill the snake, how to take off the snake. The snake cannot be surrendered or killed! It is really non existent! The presence of snake was only mistake! As in the unreality of snake cannot be destroyed or surrenderd. Its a Discernment or a Recognition. Similalrly Surrendering is only simple Discernment or Recognition of the Truth and LIVING WITH THIS DISCERNEMENT AND RECOGNITION ALWAYS.

Upon enquiry and after discernement, after recognition, it is found that it is only rope that always existed and a snake never existed in first place. It was just Avidya or Ignorance or Darkness or a MIrage! Like how we can never destroy darkness, and in the Light of Recognition, there is no more darkness. "Astoma Sadgamaya" (Lead me from Darkness to Light) In the end it is only a "recognition" of the Truth. Upon this recognition, there is nothing more to do.

We are trying to kill a snake that never existed! Similarly, our desire to surrender is exactly the same. The more effort we put in surrendering, we fail but the moment we recognise this understanding, this discernment leads us to surrender. TRUE RECOGNITION IS SURRENDERING.

Bhagavan says enquire into the source of this mind and he says it will not exist and only Self will be found to exist.

In Guruvachaka Kovai, Bhagavan says -

Like the offering of a bit of jaggery, taken off from Lord Ganesa made of jaggery, is the offering of one's own self to God. Is there any entity called the self, apart from Him? (Guru Ramana Vachana Mala, 111)


Finally, All the above beautiful discernments, knowledge has to be be put to test of the fire of the razor's edge.

The beauty of books lies not in the shelf but it lies on the person reading the book and assimilating the contents of it and by living by it!

Vedas say - "Satyam Vada, Dharma Chara" "Speak only Truth, Lead only Dharmic path" If we keep chanting this Vedic mantra with proper Swara but if we are unable to live it, then its like a donkey carrying huge loads of Sandal Wood.

Even after knowing this Truth, even after this discernment, the reality for each one of us would be very different. The Real task is all about LIVING the TRUTH and here all knowledge is just as good as a Donkey carrying a bundle of Sandal wood.

Its a tough task. Requires Enormous sincerity in our intention. What is the use of knowledge if we are unable to put use of it? Just knowing is not enough, what is important is LIVING THE KNOWLEDGE, LIVING THE DISCERNMENT, LIVING THE TRUTH and this simultaneously leads us to absolute Surrender or Sharanagati.

The only Free Will we seem to have is only to chose to abide as Self, WE HAVE FREE WILL TO SURRENDER, lest it is affected by our mind and ego.

Sad Guru Paahi Paahi

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Puranas
« on: September 14, 2011, 10:49:15 AM »
Dear Ramana1359

The external world is a direct reflection of our inner Self.

If we look with Tamasic eyes, the puranas are Tamasic,
with Rajasic, its Rajasic,
with Satwic, its Satwic.

The Subject makes the object.

If a person is Satwic, He sees even the worst Tamasic object as Satwic, as a leela of the Lord

Sarwam Vishnu Mayam Jagat

Salutations to Bhagavan

We have to be Steadfast in our Sadhana!

The Book of the Self, if we get used to it, nothing like it, this book in endless, if we really start looking at it, there is no end to the recognition. That Book is about One Self itself that one which looks. There cannot be more fascinating book than this. This book is verily "Upanishad" This book itself is verily the "Vedas"

Salutations to Bhagavan

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