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yes any thing could trigger a small fire and one can realise any moment!/


General topics / Re: Vishnu Sahasranamam and Self Enquiry
« on: September 23, 2011, 11:00:00 AM »
Many are already aware about the occurance of Vishnu Sahasranaamam, it appears during the battle between the Kauravas and Pandavas  . This was reveled by Bheeshma to Yudhishtra when he lay in a death bed of arrows. Adi Shankara's commentary directly begins from this verse -

श्री वैशंपायन उवाच

श्रुत्वा धर्मानशेषेण पावनानि च सर्वशः ।
युधिष्ठिरः शांतनवं पुनरेवाभ्यभ्याषत ॥ १ ॥

Vaishampaya, the pupil of Veda Vyaasa, continues to narrate these incidents to Janamejaya, son of Parikshit who was the son of Abhimanyu and grand son of Arjuna and whose Uncle was Lord Krishna.

Yudhishtra had already listed to various other Dharmas by Bheeshma about Raja Dharma, and many other Dharmas very carefully and fully. Finally, He was most interested in the way to Salvation and wanted to know the marga or the way to cleanse himself off avidya/ignorance and He asked The Great Pithamaha once again -


in the sense that Bhagavan's way does not give importance in 'knowing' the observations, He tells to ignore what ever the discernments may be, just keep holding on to the "DISCERN-ER" and not even bother about what is "DISCERNED"

generally, we tend to get carried away by what we discern and stay put in that!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear srkudai,

these are good approach, I felt personally Bhagavan's Self Enquiry circumvents all of these preliminary discernment's and hits directly at the Bulls-Eye!

It is beneficial for many though :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: September 23, 2011, 10:33:44 AM »
and moreover, A guru can appear in any way, He could be just your mother, father or your uncle, he could be your teacher as well.

Approach the one you respect the maximum who is in your vicinity, it could be some body, grandfather, a respected elder. Approach such a respected person and seek guidance in this regard :)

Satguru Paahi Paahi,

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: September 23, 2011, 10:21:43 AM »
What about the people who cannot find their Guru must do? Or they who follow a Guru who is not physically present? Do they have to forget about japa practice? Is mantra japa something like concentration practice or there is something more?

Dear ramana1359

it can never happen that one does not find a Guru. That is impossible! A Guru is always there, just we need to recognise HIM. He is just before us like the huge himalayas, just we need to recognise that.

This can never happen that one does not find a guru. so :) no worries, the more we sincerely we do our bit, we would be able to recognise the Gurur who is  even Pratyaksha ever present!

not only Mantra, keep chanting shlokas, with deep fervor, bhakti.

Have this attitude,

त्वमेव माता च पिता त्वमेव, त्वमेव बन्धुश्च सखा त्वमेव, त्वमेव विद्या, द्रविणं त्वमेव, त्वमेव सर्वं ममः देवदेवा

Tvameva Maataa Ca Pitaa Tvameva
Tvameva Bandhush-Ca Sakhaa Tvameva
Tvameva Vidyaa Dravinnam Tvameva
Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva Deva

You are my Mother And You Truly are my Father
You are my Relative And You Truly are my Friend
You are my Knowledge and You Truly are my Wealth
You are my All, My God of Gods

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear srkudai,

yes that is the process... of crossing the "samsara"

It is said that Dakshninamurty resides behind the Manasa sarovara in the Himalayas

If we look deeply, He resides behind Manasa Sarovara - i.e. behind the lake of the mind!


Dear amiatal,

I appreciate your very careful observations of my addressing as "We" Yes you are absolutely correct! I use that term consciously, because, in the end, what ever you say, and when I read it, it is "I" who interpret what you say and so your thoughts are mine only!

You would have also observed when I was a member here previously, I used to address everybody as "Dear I" just because I am only talking to myself alone" for there is no one else except my mind, there is only "my mind" and no "another mind" at All times I am only in conversations with myself alone!

Salutations to Bhagavan

already we are vexed up with so many things :D God knows still what we need to get vexed up with  ;)

the thing is that getting vexed up also has its set of repercussions. We have to see our loved ones worry about us... and all those emotional dynamics and also get vexed up even with that as well in the end, it could lead one to great Depression as well if one is really not equipped with proper discernment!

There are other ways too.

we are aware that if we drop expectations then we have no problems. But still we are unable to drop so

Vexing up happens on proper discernment. it can't be forced, we have to experience the futility and then the fruit drops all by itself.

We Know, but still we Know Not yet!


This is the Crux of the situation Udai what you said -

unless we decide, they wont go,

its like jumping off a cliff and leaving completely to the LORD? Are we ready yet to make that jump of Faith?

in that Crux of the situation, just knowing that we have to decide is not enough is what I have observed,

When there is absolute discernment, then we jump on the go!

Do we have that Discernment/Conviction yet?

Dear Subramanian Sir,

Yes you have mentioned the best example - "one thorn should be taken and it should be used to remove the other thorn"

Burning out of camphor and yet remain!

Dear srkudai,

:) i to have read/re read/re read these chapters from ABD :)

Expectations do not drop by our effort! when the discernment happens, it drops of its own accord, just like a ripe fruit falling off on its own accord!

as mentioned earlier, when a human being dies, immediately we begin to refer the person as "It" or "Body" only no matter how close the person has been! Its automatic.

I believe that dropping expectations is not achieved by our efforts ALONE.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear srkudai,

no doubt, these pointer do take us further. nothing to debate this thought! :)

you see my point was that this discussion here at the moment will seem to make us more clearer, may seem to give us clarity. But on the topic of "Lack of renunciation" or "Dropping expectations" in the battle field, we are unable to over come the dichotomies.

Dear Srubramanian Sir,

another thought occurred! As I read Suddha Manas, I interpreted it  as Erase the manas/ mind and what remains is just the Self, on the lines of a camphor burning out itself! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Vaishnavi,

There are many great useful meditative aid quotes. But I don't remember who said all these -

"Observe the enquirer"

"observe the observer"

"enquire the enquirer"

"dont watch your thought, watch the thinker"

"Awareness watching Awareness"

there are many such aids, that takes your further

Salutations to Bhagavan

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