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Just for the benefit of all, Dear friends, Effort towards Ultimate Truth is broadly classified into two:

Saguna Upasana and
Nirguna Upasana

In Saguna meditation, the devotee considers himself as entirely different from the object of worship. The worshipper makes a total, unreserved, ungrudging, self-surrender to the Lord. He respects, honours, adores the Lord and depends on Him for everything, for food, protection and his very existence. He looks always for help of any sort from the Ishta Devata. There is nothing independent for him. He is an instrument in the hands of the Lord. His hands, legs, senses, mind, Buddhi, physical body belong to the Lord. A devotee does not at all like the idea of Jnana or merging. He likes to have his separate entity as a servant and to serve, worship and love the Lord always. He does not like to become sugar as a Jnani, but like to taste sugar and eat sugar. This method of worship is one of contraction. Suppose there is a circle. You have a position in the centre. You contract yourself to a point and merge in the circumference. This is Saguna meditation. This is suitable for people of emotional temperament. Vast majority of persons are fit for this line of worship only.

In Nirguna meditation, the aspirant takes himself as Brahman. He denies and sublates the false adjuncts or fictitious environments as egoism, mind and body. He depends upon himself and upon himself alone. The aspirant asserts boldly. He reflects, reasons out, investigates, discriminates and meditates on the Self. He does not want to taste sugar but wants to become a solid mass of sugar itself. He wants merging. He likes to be identical with Brahman. This method is one of expansion of lower self. Suppose there is a circle. You have a position in the centre. You so expand by Sadhana to a very great extent that you occupy the whole circle, and envelop the circumference. This method of meditation is suitable for persons of fine intellect, bold understanding, strong and accurate reasoning and powerful will. Only a microscopic minority of persons is fit for this line of meditation.

(Swami Sivananda)

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Bhagavan's Self Enquiry falls under Nirguna Upasana. Each follows what each is well inclined with. But What ever each one follows, must have equal Samatva Bhava (as often said by Bhagavan) towards all and all paths.

A Saguna Upasaki sees Narayana in all, He becomes a servent of Servant of Gods, such is his humble attitude.
A Nirguna Upasaki sees Self in all, He becomes the Brahman principle in all, Brahman is all, and sees no difference.

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General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: September 06, 2014, 08:11:10 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 06, 2014, 07:49:36 PM »
In my opinion,  let us do sadhana first rather than trying to find the 'spirit of unity' in different teachings

Krishnan, you do any sadhana only to find the 'spirit of unity' when you say you are seeing unity, then you see things differently, and you are imposing onto yourself a spirit of some unity just because Self is in all, it is not so, like this!

This is not some unity in diversity, but the truth is, there is no diversity at all, but only Self! Variations and differences are mind created! If somebody sees difference is paths, Gods, religions, then there is an error in understanding!

The Vedic revelation do not say, there is only one God, but it says EVERYTHING IS GOD. It does not even say "though there are differences, the underlying principle is Same, of God, or Self" but it proclaims with authority - EVERYTHING IS BRAHMAN (sarvam Khalu idam Brahma)

There is no Unity in Self, Everything is only Self!

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Dear Sri Anil Ji,

I hope you not mind some pointers, if i just present some comments that might be a tease for the vibrating mind, anyways, it is of good thing, as these helps one and all to become better and better:

as I am concerned, I can have nothing to do whatever with a statement, which suggests or seems to suggest, even remotely, that the Self-enquiry as taught by Sri Bahgwan is just a upasana or a method among so many other kinds of upasanas or methods.

It appears from your expressions, response to my post, a feeling from you that sounds "how dare somebody says Self Enquiry is just a Upasana, Self Enquiry is much greater and bigger, greatest no body dare make it just a Upasana, it is much bigger than other mere upasanas"

However you did say, you are not against other sadhanas, fair enough! But, While i appreciate your extreme devotion to the path of Self Enquiry, am afraid there is a sense in you that expresses, perhaps unnoticed by you, Self Enquiry is above all other paths.

Your words express so much distaste as if hurt to even compare Self Enquiry with other paths. It is as if you dont even want Self Enquiry to be mentioned among other paths.

I have indeed found, as Sri Bhagwan has taught, that the Self-enquiry is the Practice as well as the Goal.

Well, a Upasana is verily just as you have said above! Upasana is none else! Upasana is like the fire stick by which you burn the funeral pyre and eventually put the stick into the pyre as well! Every Upasana is an end in itself!

I appreciate your devotion but am afraid, you are totally biased and closed minded. The spirit of your reasoning is not all inclusive, am afraid!

I hope you would take the tease in spirit. You may chose to ignore. no hard feelings, these are all just illusions!

:)

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Dear Sri Ravi, Sri Anil ji and friends,

I vaguely remembered this poem I had previously read only in my schools, and I searched it out and how wonderful it is. I am not sure, it may have been posted before as well, but yet, I would like to post it again here:

Where The Mind Is Without Fear
Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

Rabindranath Tagore

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 06, 2014, 11:10:47 AM »
Where The Mind Is Without Fear
Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

Rabindranath Tagore

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:54:33 AM »
Stray thoughts..

Dear friends, we often come across from the words of various Guru, thoughts such as this is ONE GREAT DIRECT METHOD, THIS IS ONE INFALLIBLE MEANS, some even have also expressed some ways to be the only true path, some even out a screw to our logic and appear absolutely fanatic as well, to some.

It is obligatory to the endeavour of a sincere aspirant to discern the Real Essence in all of them. To a THIRSTING ASPIRANT, even a dunes stone without any attributes of Godhoot or Guruhood alone is enough to trigger the spark of Absolute Truth! We have had examples, for instance the 24 Guru of the Avadhoota just to quote one.

I raise my heart boldly and express, look beyond the forms and their words of Ramana, Ramakrishna, Sivananda, Shankara, Vivekananda and name them all, there is a MORE GREATER BEING THAN ALL OF THEM,        WITHIN each one, that is the source of all the external glories of all Gods and Gurus. Recognise your own potential, without any identity.

It becomes necessary to go beyond the schools, one has received ones graduation, to really graduate.

Just drop all Gods and Gurus, no matter how emotional we may be with them. Our Guru Bhakti or God Bhakti will not become corrupt. :-)

Spiritual quest is a Science, it is not mere emotional drug, even the person filled with tears of ecstasy is a science.

We need to open up our hands soooo much that we don't have hands at all, only then can we embrace all from all sides!

Humble musings...

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Dear Sri Ravi,

Just one thought, or rather an humble observation, I felt urged to share, is that, Self enquiry also is just an Upasana among so many other kinds of Upasanas, which are the Sethu Bridge, which facilitate the Jeevaatma to traverse towards Paramaatma.

Self enquiry, itself actually isn't actual abidance, in my humble understanding, it is yet another method that helps facilitate one to cut asunder the darkness of limited identity.

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 06, 2014, 09:15:38 AM »
Dear Sri Anil ji,

Thanks so much, yes they are indeed so resonating from within myself too! I enjoy these as passively as even you have :-) they emerge of their own in the great aMrita Matanam, the great Churning of Mind, that spits out some sparks from within.

Pranams,

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:13:17 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Wilfully reject the companionship with the mind. Remain divorced from it at all times!

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 05:00:51 AM »
Stray thoughts...

There is a point or a center bereft of pains and pleasures. Pains and pleasures become known only by that point or center. Know that thoroughly somehow!

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:44:29 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Mind cannot function without you!

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:42:36 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Sun is worshipped because it remains even in illusions, dreams, while we are asleep and while we are awake!

Such is the Self or God.

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:38:27 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Just be ALERT, wherever you are, be it in darkness or in the light.

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:31:15 AM »
Stray thoughts...

Being under the sway of Vaasanaas simply means dreaming while awake!

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