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Dear ksksat27,

यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत ।
अभ्युत्थानमधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् ।। (4, 7)

When ever where ever there is decline of Dharma and predominance of Adharma prevails, at that time I manifest myself for protecting the Dharma, O Arjuna

So, Buddha was necessary at that time, Shankara was necessary at that time, Ramanuja was necessary at that time, Madhacharya was necessary at that time, Jnana Sambandhar was necessary at that time, A Mahavira was necessary at that time and a Vivenkananda was necessary at that time and so on... Allah was necessary at that time, Jesus was necessary at that time too

The point to note is not these past occurances, if we see within ourselves, there has to be balance, whenever we lose hold on the truth of the ultimate, a Guru appears to correct us.

For instance, when we are getting too much attached to Bhagavan's form and miss the essense(even though it is good), a Guru tells us not to get attached to this body! in some instance if we are getting too much attached to rituals (even though it is good) and miss the essense then a Guru like in a form of Buddha tells us to stop doing these rituals and if we get too much attached to intellectual knowledge and miss the essense then a Shankara, Jnana Sambandhar appears to correct us. When we lose the essense and just blindly just keep worshiping God without ahimsa, a Guru appears in the form of Mahavira and tells you instead of worshiping God, shower love to all living beings, and so on....

The object is to realise the essense our Self and not get caught in the mediums.

There is absolutely no Contradictions! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

This need for grace is also in subtle sense avidya. Infact the essense of Bhagavan is that we are ourselves grace. Like in some instance, when some devotee came to Bhagavan and was crying about his difficulties then an ashram inmate, to console this devotee by saying "its like Being in the shore of Ganges, you are crying out of thirst!" Muruganar just walks in and quotes from some old tamil verse to that devotee, "its like as if you are neck deep in th ganges water itself and are crying out of thirst"

Bhagavan who was silently looking at all these, said to Muruganar and to the other devotees "Apdi illa voi" "Its like as if Ganges herself is crying out of thirst"

In the same way, this requirement of grace will remain so long we feel different from Bhagavan. Bhagavan also quoted saying, "The Grace of the Guru is like an ocean. If he comes with a cup he will only get a cupful. It is no use complaining of the niggardliness of the ocean; the bigger the vessel the more he will be able to carry. It is entirely up to him"

When the cup is unlimited like the ocean, there is no place for 2 there, Guru and ourselves.

Bhagavan quoted from Tiruvoimozhi a tamil work “I discover that I am You, and all that I called mine is You,” the Visishtadvaita commentator said, “I reached so near God as to regard I and mine as God himself.”

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: September 25, 2011, 10:55:13 AM »
Dear Jyothi,

When Mother "got" Moksha, who is Bhagavan and who is Mother? who was with whom really? who is asking this question? who is seeing Bhagavan giving moksha to Mother? Really there is no 'giving' or 'taking' just see who is 'seeing' all these? :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Anil Ji,

In one instance a devotee during his conversations with Bhagavan on the subject of Self Enquiry asked thus -

D: Even so, I do not understand. “I”, you say, is the wrong “I” now. How to eliminate this wrong “I”?

M: You need not eliminate the wrong “I” How can “I” eliminate itself? All that you need to do is to find out its origin and abide there. Your efforts can extend only thus far. Then the Beyond will take care of itself. You are helpless there. No effort can reach it.

All our efforts are useful up to a point of recognition and abiding in that recognition constantly. We can only 'know it' but the "knowing" becoming "being" is beyond, it happens due to the pull of Bhagavan's grace.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Will faster-than-light particles bypass Einstein?
« on: September 24, 2011, 04:24:15 PM »
All these letters, e m c x ... so confusing  :o  ::)

Bhagavan says -

एकमक्षरं हृदि निरन्तरं
भासते स्वयं लिख्यते कथम्

Ekam Aksharam Hruthi Nirantaram
Bhasate Svayam Likhyate Katham?

One letter shines incessantly [and] spontaneously in the heart. How is it to be written?

 ;) Salutations to our Dear Bhagavan

General topics / Diligent Efforts
« on: September 24, 2011, 04:20:02 PM »
Self realisation can happen only with practise. This short story reveals the truth.

A disciple once approached his Guru and said that he did not find any progress despite devoting his time to meditation.

The Guru pointed out that he had not been really practising enough. He also alerted that death was immanent in about a week (for the disciple) and if he did not practise properly, self realisation would be postponed for several births.

The disciple on realising the seriousness of the issue, devoted his entire time for meditation. At the end of seven days, an impenetrable calmness had descended on him. When he met the Guru, the Guru pointed out that in his earlier efforts there was a lack of diligence and dedication. Hence he had to lie to him that he was to die in a week simply to push him to practise more. He also pointed out that only dedicated efforts can bring about self realisation.

The Hindu story thus conveys the truth of diligent efforts.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Contemplative Zen Story
« on: September 24, 2011, 04:16:06 PM »
A young Buddhist was perplexed about crossing a wide river on his journey home. In hopeless desperation of crossing the barrier that lay ahead of him, barring him from reaching the other end, he thought for hours. The Buddhist then was about to give up his pursuit, when he spotted a great master on the other bank.

The Buddhist shouted out to the master for help, "Oh wise one, can you tell me how I can get back to the other side of the river?"

The master in response looked about the river up and down and yelled back "Son you are on the other"

Salutations to Bhagavan

किमेकं दैवतं लोके किं वाप्येकं परायणं ।
स्तुवंतः कं कमर्चंतः प्राप्नुयुर्मानवाः शुभम् ॥ २ ॥

को धर्मः सर्वधर्माणां भवतः परमो मतः ।
किं जपन्मुच्यते जंतुर्जन्मसंसारबंधनात् ॥ ३ ॥

Kimekam daivatam loke kimvapyekam parayanam
stuvanth kam karchantah prapnuyurmaanavashubham

ko dharma sarva dharmanam bhavatah paramomatah
kim japamuchchate jantur janma samsara bandhanaat

We have to put ourselves in Yudhishtira's position! As in it should not be seen as Yudhishtra is asking this question to Bheeshma, the spirit has to be that we are ourselves asking this question to Bheeshma (Ramanar), we are seeking light.

Which is that One God (Truth) in the entire universe, which is the One we have to read, study, know, become aware? What is it that
by worshiping which, venerating which, knowing which can a man attain all auspiciousness as declared by the Scriptures?

O Grand Sire, what is it in you opinion, the greatest Dharma/Karma/Duty among all other Dharmas/Karmas/Duties by which one attains to that perfect Exaltation or Salvation? What is that Japa (Sadhana) by chanting whose name (performing that Sadhana) can ordinary folks, simpletons, all creatures can get released from the bondage of this Samsara?

This question is verily displays out quest, this questions exactly reflects our own position. We are all in the same shoes of Yudhishtira. Its our inner most urge to know the ultimate reality, its our innermost urge to know God, its our innermost urge to realise our Self. Lets ask the Grand Sire Bheeshma our deepest desire to know the ultimate Truth. O' Ramana, what is it that we need to do? what is the One Truth that we need to know? What is the one Sadhana that we need to do to know? the performance of which Sadhana shall reveal to me, a common man, a simpleton, the Greatest of all Auspiciousness as declared by the Scriptures?

O Ramana, what is the one Duty above all other duties? What is the most important thing above all the other important things in all Scriptures and Dharmas? O Ramana, by studying which, by worshiping which, by Knowing which, by Enquiring which, a simpleton like myself can attain to the Great Exaltation as declared by the scriptures?

This also reveals dichotomies that Yudhishtira had even then! There were already so many ways, some say, do this you will realise, others say do that you will realise, and few other say leave all that, do this and you will realise... what to do? so much confusion? Do I follow this guru or that Guru? Do I follow this God or that God, there are millions of Gods, and other religions say their God is the only God and my religions say this is the only God? Do I follow this religion or that religion? Do I follow Dvaita, Advaita or Visishtadvaita? Or do I believe that there is no God? O' God, what can I believe? So much Confusion. There are already millions of methods, which method to follow? There are hundreds of sadhanas, what sadhana do I do? How do I chose what is good for me?

In such utter confusion, out of extreme Virakti, Vexation, lets ask the Great Grand Sire, Bheeshma (Ramanar) to reveal to us just the Only One thing alone that would suffice in knowing our Self and attain Realisation.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Sreeswaroop ji,

Here, I collected a few Sutras from Narada Bhakti Sutras which are relevant to this topic here :)

तस्मिंस्तज्जने भेदाभावात्

Tasminstajjane bhedaabhaavaat

There is no disctinction between Him and His Devotees

अनिर्वचनीयं प्रेमस्वरूपं

Anirvachaneeyam Premasvarupam

The nature of love is inexpressible in words & is beyond description.

प्रकाशतेक्कापि पात्रे

Prakaashatekkaapi paatre

it finds expression very rarely in some worthy souls

गुणरहितं कामनारहितंप्रतिक्षणवर्धमानमविच्छिन्नं सूक्ष्मतरमनुभवरूपम्

Gunaarahitam Kaamanaarahitam pratikshanavarshamaanamavichchinnam sukshmataramanubhavasvarupam

It is beyond the fundamental Gunas, above all desires, growing intense moment by moment, incessant, most subtle, and fathomable only by intuition

तत्प्राप्य तदेवावलोकयति, तदेव श्रृणोति, तदेव भाष्यति, तदेव चिन्तयति

Tatpraapya tadevalokayati, tadeva shrunoti, tadeva bhaashyati, tadeva chintayati

When one has reached it, one sees that alone, hears about that alone, talks about that alone, thinks about that alone

कण्ठावरोधरोमाञ्चाश्रुभिः परस्परं लपमानाः पावयन्ति कुलानि पृथिवीं च​

Kantavarodharomaanchaashrubhih parasparam lapamaanaah paavayanti kulaani pruthivi

Conversing among one another with throats choked, hair standing on end, and tears flowing, the Lord's intimate servants purify their own followers and also the whole world.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Guru mantra
« on: September 24, 2011, 10:16:32 AM »
Dear ramana1359

தெளிவு குருவின் திருமேனி காண்டல்
தெளிவு குருவின் திருநாமம் செப்பல்
தெளிவு குருவின் திருவார்த்தை கேட்டல்
தெளிவு குருஉரு சிந்தித்தல் தானே.

திருமந்திரம் - 139

Clarity is seeing the holy Body of guru;
Clarity is saying the holy Name of guru;
Clarity is listening to the holy Words of guru;
Clarity is contemplating on the holy Form of guru.

Thirumanthiram - 139

There cannot be a better (Sadhana) than this one and the essense of your mantra
"Om namo Guru Dev namo"
is only this! When you chant this mantra have the spirit of the above verse!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Sreeswaroop ji,

May be "emotions" per say is not the right word, we could perhaps say "sensitivity" what else can we translate "Parama Prema" into English? I am lost for a translation word! :)

It was not intended to glorification of emotions. It has been my observation that jnanis are very sensitive.

Once HH Abhinava Vidya Theertha Swamigal of Sringeri once visited an orphanage in one of his tours, when he saw the children at the orphanage, tears just flowed in his eyes out of compassion for those children.

It cannot be denied that in todays times, expressions are not appreciated, it is signified as 'bad' thing even for a Sadhaka which I felt need not be so.

One has to be sensitive. Bhagavan said to the extant that it pains even to the trees as well.

A Spiritual person is not a "Jadam" but a Fire of the sun with coolness of the Moon.

Salutation to Bhagavan

Dear Subramanian Sir, Srkudai

Here is one more very pertinent incident that I recollected (has already been been posted before) -

Ramakrishna Swami, who had been serving Bhagavn for many years, started visiting a woman in the town. Her relatives caught him in her house, bound him hand and foot and locked him in a room. He managed to escape and came running to the Ashramam, pursued by his enemies. When he enetered the Ashramam gate, they gave up the chase. He entered the hall trembling and fell on the ground shouting 'save me, save me'. After Bhagavan had heard the man's confession, he looked at the culprit with understanding and pity and said, "You don't need to have this fear any longer. Go and sleep."

The Ashramam people requested Bhagavan to send him away, for his presence would tarnish the good name of the Ashramam. Bhagavan called the man and told him in front of everybody, "You have done some wrong, but you were too foolish not to keep it secret. Others do worse things, but they take care not to be caught. Now, the people who were not caught want you to leave the Ashramam because you were caught." The person was allowed to stay.

Salutations to Sri Ramana

Dear Subramanian Sir,

You have presented further "clarity" in the Annamalai Swami incident. I did not think in that dimension :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Ramakrishnan,

This is an interesting topic. Thanks for starting this one.

Emotions are of 2 types - positive emotions and negative emotions.

There are several instances where Bhagavan was chocked with emotion and tears of ecstasy used to flow in His graceful eyes. Tears flowed like a river when He took care of a very small squirrel which had just lost its mother. He wept at the passing away of Cow Lakshmi. He used to be chocked in tears on listening the stories of 63 Nayanmars and specially when he listened to Kannapa Nayanmar's story!

Getting emotional is per say not bad. We should not mix emotion with Self Enquiry. Bhagavan and scriptures have re-iterated at several instances that one should not bring Advaita into Life as in one should not display Advaita in Loukikam (worldly life)

Look at Sri Rama in Ramayana, How many times has Sri Rama cried? there are innumerable instances where Sri Rama has cried.

Emotion is a current and during which the Kundalini is awakened and is quite active. Positive Emotions should never be supressed in the guise of Discernment/Self Enquiry and the Advaita etc...

In Narada Bhakti Sutra, One who becomes affected by the pleasure potency of the Supreme Lord manifests various symptoms of ecstasy, such as slackening of the heart, laughing, crying, shivering, and dancing, Romancha - raising of hair, etc..

In todays world and todays culture, expressing emotions has become a sin, negativity, weakness which is bad.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Subramanian Sir, Srkudai,

I remembered an instance where Annamalai Swamy was worried about certain thought about women in his mind and he prayed to Bhagavan to help him out. Bhagavan very casually took him to a place and made him stand on a rock for some time, and told him not to move his feet no matter what! Annamalasi Swami could hold on for some time, he could bear the heat for some time and there after he could not, and then when he pleaded once again, Bhagavan told him to ease and then made hims aware where were his thoughts about women during this time. Annamalai realised the essence. Keeping awareness within.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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