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Dear Krishna,

Truly, we can never really get to know what really Buddha say or did! can we? Whether he opposed or whatever, over the ages, different people have interpreted Buddha according to their own personal experiences. Buddha himself never wrote any thing. It was only his disciples and followers who wrote what Buddha said.

As a general answer to your question, my views would again be my first response to you. At that time a Buddha was necessary :) ! There has to be balance and after that a Shankara was necessary? IF Buddha was not to happen, we would never have seen Shankara!

When Shankara was at Kashi (if am not woring) he saw so many guru kulams, many upagurus teaching their shishyas grammers and other things. He was very heart broken when he saw at one place near the Ganges, a Kamandalu fell of somebody's hand and fell down the steps making noise. A teacher there, who was teaching grammer to his students, diverted the attention of his students towards this falling Kamandalu and started teaching his students the sound of the falling Kamandalu, how the sound is produced such as "drukrun" and the students were repeating it. Shankara was heart broken, which inspired him to compose the most famous "Moha Mudgara"(hammering illusion) or "Bhaja Givindam"

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भज गोविन्दं भज गोविन्दं,
गोविन्दं भज मूढ़मते।
संप्राप्ते सन्निहिते काले,
न हि न हि रक्षति डुकृञ् करणे ।।


Bhaja Govindam bhaja govindam
Bhaja Govindam mudhamate
Samprapte sannihite kale
Nahi nahi rakshati dukrn karane

Worship Govinda, worship Govinda,
Worship Govinda, foolish one!
Rules of grammar profit nothing
Once the hour of death draws nigh

Don't you see a Buddha in Shankara here? :) When He met Kumarila Bhatta who was self immolating himself because he committed some sin, Shankara convinced him that was not necessary after the dawn of Jnana! (see further reading)

As regards to todays Buddhists and Jains opinions, why even bother about somebody's opinion? specially in this Kali Yuga? All people will talk what they will ! Our job is only to look at the truth we are able to see for ourselves!

There is a famous song written by a great tamil poet Kannadasan -

He sang -

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Paramasivan kazhuthil irunthu paambu kettathu
Garuda sowkyama..
Yaarum irukkum idathil irunthu kondaal ellaam sowkiyame garudan sonnathu
Athil artham ullAthu...

From the neck of Lord Shiva, the snake asked "eagle are you doing fine?”. (in a teasing tone)

Lord Shiva’s neck is adorned with a snake, here the snake is in a safe place (Shiva’s neck) and is questioning (in a teasing tone) the eagle (traditionally, its arch enemy) about its well-being)

The eagle replies, “If everyone stays in their designated (rightful) place, then everything will be fine”,

There is a (deeper) meaning in what the eagle said.

Hope you are able to see that subtle essense  ;)

Whether by reading the Vedas or Qur'an or the Bible, or what ever, if that is helping one to move from Asatoma Sadgamaya from Darkness to Light of discernment, that itself is "Veda" He is Wise !

 :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Ulladu Narpadu Verse 27
« on: September 28, 2011, 09:00:47 PM »
Dear Ramakrishnan,

Yes, this verse has deeply impacted me too! Its a powerful "mantra" we can say! :)

On one hand, this 'I' which raises about is actually said to not exist at all! Now bringing the classic Rajju Sarpa example where a rope is seen as snake by mistake, in the same way, the reappearance of snake again and again is the emergence of 'I' and the non emergence is itself the Self i.e. rope.

Somehow by the grace of Bhagavan we will become aware of this but the real challenge is living by this realisation which is tapas, constant tapas i feel. Its a conscious effort every moment. Its a moment to moment awareness. Which is what is conveyed in the Mahavakya -

प्रज्ञानं ब्रह्म​
Pragnyaanam brahma

Its a constant being awareness of awareness itself.

Tapas. Tapas and only Tapas it is I feel! There are many hindrances, no doubt, the powerful pull of Vasanas. There is no short cut electric current thats going to happen which will completely free us from these vasanas and desires. Its only our Conscious Efforts alone that is Tapas. That is the only way. Tapas is living the Truth.

Tapas is living the Truth.

Tapas/Conscious Effort is the only way to "be" without the emergence of I

There is no other way but to just be without allowing the emergence of 'I'

Consciously remaining

Sat Chit Ananda (Existence/Being - Consciousness/Tapas/Effortless Effort - Bliss/Ananda)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Ulladu Narpadu Verse 27
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:55:35 PM »
Dear Ramakrishnan,

This is a very personal topic for anybody, and the more we discuss the lesser we actually are doing justice to oneself!  ;) in fact, this discussion will happen only after "Naan" uditha piragu (Emergence of I) and Bhagavan says remain without Udhiyaamal (non emergence of I)

in a nutshell, shun all urges and be, remain!

However lets see further :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Urge to hold the breath!
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:44:02 PM »
Dear Ramakrishnan,

I too have observed this in my case as well.

But, the trick is in ignoring it, and persist focusing on your Self. It only meant that your attention to Self is lost that moment and which is why you were able to see that urge to hold your breath otherwise you are in absolute concentration. It only means there has been a break in concentration on Self! These are all tricks of the mind which has the tendency to go outwards!

Just renew your attention on your Self and this urge will disappear. If you notice this urge then it only indicates that attention is NOT 100%

If the attention is completely focused, we will not be able to see all these, to register these urges! Hope you are able to see from this angle :)

Helpers:

  • Watch who is it that wants to hold the breath!
  • Watch your breath, breathe normally and just keep watching your breath rhythm and renew Self Enquiry consciously!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Humour / I AM THAT
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:16:13 PM »
I found this amazing cartoon from internet  ;)



Salutations to Bhagavan

4026
Dear Matthias,

You will be happy to know that in many traditions, during pujas, Buddha is included in Hindu Puja. Infact one section of Hindus consider Buddha as one of the Avatars of Vishnu, after Krishna.

While doing Sankalpam during any puja ... we say, "Boudhaavatare" meaning, in the place where Buddha Avatar was there, Ramakshetre meaning place of Rama, etc... after quoting all the great Gods and Avatars and holy places in this Bharata Country, I resolve to begin this puja today, under this constellation, in this day, this year, this Yuga, etc...

Salutations to Bhagavan

4027
Dear Matthias,

I have always felt the difference between Buddha and Shankara as this -

Buddha saw Half empty, Shankara saw Half filled. In essense, both are one and the same! When one says, Nothingness it means the same as Everythingness.

Everythingness = Nothingness (Both are infinity)

The value of "zero" is infinity! on a lighter side, when we divide any number by '0' there can be no result, as in it is not possible  :) ! We can conclude that its only the 'way' that was different, but the net essence is one and the same! If we see it as half empty or half filled, it doesn't change the Reality or the Truth!

One observing the glass as half empty and the other observing the glass as half filled with water has not changed the 'Glass' (Truth) in the end!

Nothingness(half empty)

Everythingness(Half filled)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: September 28, 2011, 04:53:38 PM »
Absolutely Sreeswaroop!



Salutations to Bhagavan

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: September 28, 2011, 12:31:18 PM »
I wish i would learn the Arunachala Aksharamana Malai by heart! :)

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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Pronunciation
« on: September 28, 2011, 12:28:18 PM »
Dear ramana1359

 :) am afraid you can never spell it! don't bother to try and spell it, there are no letters in English for the sanskrit letter -

ज्ञ​

Rather its best to assimilate it by listening to it again and again or if you can meet some Indian, you could listen to him and get more clarity about its pronunciation. Its impossible to spell it! it could only be learnt only by listening to somebody.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: September 28, 2011, 11:52:05 AM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Yes, its truly exhilarating experience. Here are some more information pertaining to Bhagavan and Sri Chakra (Ramana Leela) -

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By February 1949, all the jobs were almost completed and the consecration was fixed for 17 March 1949. In that context the lingam [?] etc. which were at another spot were brought and placed at the new place and abhishekam of the temple crest was performed according to the procedures prescribed in the sastras. All the rituals were carried out over a period of three days. The Puri Sankaracharya also participated in the function. Though a separate elevated seat was offered to him befitting his status he declined it and sat on the floor over a deer skin near Bhagavan. During his conversation with Bhagavan he asked for a clarification of a particular scriptural saying. After Bhagavan gave the reply, the Sankaracharya repeated that he could still not grasp the point. Thereupon Bhagavan looked at him bestowing his grace for about half an hour. The Sankaracharya shut his eyes and with tears flowing down he bent before Bhagavan and said that he had understood the subject. As the Sri Chakra was to be laid in the shrine and as he was an adept at it, the Sankaracharya himself volunteered to attend to the job.

Bhagavan sat close by and blessed the proceedings.

He was later asked to open the new hall. As he did not have enough energy even to open the lock, the sculptor assisted him in doing it. Bhagavan later entered the shrine and blessed the Sri Chakra by touching it. After that, he walked down to the stone `throne' on which cushions were laid and granted darshan to the visitors. On the second day a number of devotees spoke and music concerts were held. The Kumbhabhishekam took place.

on the 17th morning. All through the time there was great enthusiasm and rejoicing.

Those who observed Bhagavan during those days felt that he was bestowing his auspicious and supernatural powers on the Sri Chakra and others. His physical strength was at a low ebb but the work he embarked on was very arduous. It looked as if he was transferring all his powers to them.

It may not be inappropriate to elaborate about the presiding deity here viz., the Meru Sri Chakra, which is about two feet square with adequate height. Sri Bhagavan spent the night at the spot when it was fixed. He sat there bearing the heat of the furnaces used to melt the metals so that they could be properly fixed. Bhagavan himself placed the gold Sri Chakra beneath the Meru.

After the Kumbhabhishekam daily pooja was being carried out at the shrine. But as no special poojas were being performed at the Meru Chakra it was felt expedient to do this also. This commenced in 1953. Special poojas are performed on six occasions every month such as each Friday and full moon day ? They are quite an elaborate affair spread out over some hours.

All the plans for poojas were finalized during Bhagavan's presence when an attendant remarked, "How nice it would be if these poojas were to be continued forever". Bhagavan assented and asked. "But who would take the trouble?" Sadhu Arunachala (Chadwick) came forward to take the trouble. Everything has since been going on quite regularly. It could be due to the influence of the poojas, that all the problems relating to the Ashram got slowly resolved.

I have also read elsewhere from Sadhu Arunachala's recollections that Bhagavan had circumambulated several times around the Sri Chakra the previous night when no body was around. Later it was decided to build a wall on both sides of Sri Chakra so that nobody else could circumambulate the Sri Chakra after it was sanctified by Bhagavan circumambulating it!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Lalitha Sahasranamam
« on: September 28, 2011, 11:00:23 AM »
Dear SLakshmi,

Infact, Bhagavan Himself is Shaki. Some months back, when I was getting more involved in Ambal Prarthanai, somewhere deep inside my heart I felt a little worried whether I am going away from Bhagavan and getting inclined more towards Ambal (Stupid thing, but you see thats how the mind is) In all this confusion, I picked up some book and when I opened some page in between, the following appeared, as if Bhagavan was speaking to me directly and all the dubious games of my mind was put under rest confirming that Bhagavan Himself is Ambal and that Arunachala is nothing but verily Sri Chakra Meru.

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This afternoon, during a conversation regarding old Sankara Vijayam, Bhagavan asked one devotee whether it was not a fact that amongst all books on the life of Sankara, Sankara Vijayam of Vidyaranya was the best. “He was a great scholar and so his book is taken as an authority by all,” said that devotee. Bhagavan said, with a smile, “Yes, his mental powers were very great. He was a great votary of Sri Vidya, you see. He therefore wanted to create a city in the shape of Sri Chakra (wheel) and started doing it in Hampi but could not complete it. So he said that an emperor in future would rule the country and would be able to build a city in the shape of a Sri Chakra. When I told Nayana about this while I was on the hill, he made a peculiar comment, namely: ‘Sri chakrakriti sona saila vapusham, sri shodasarnatmakam occurs in ‘Arunachala Ashtaka Stotram’ written by Sri Sankara. Besides this in Arunachala Purana, it is stated that this hill is reputed to be in the shape of Sri Chakra. Hence, without searching for it, we have been lucky in getting this place which is in the shape of Sri Chakra. Bhagavan is the Chakravarthi (Emperor). If about ten houses are built around the hill, this itself is a great empire. Sankara must have intended this only,’ so said Nayana. He followed it up by arranging the whole administrative set up by saying, ‘Here is the commanderin-chief, that man is the treasurer, he is this, he is that.’ It used to be very amusing when he was here. All used to sit together and say, ‘What are the refreshments today for our Durbar?’ Then they used to draw up a programme, cook, and eat. They used to conduct the programme as if they were ruling an empire. This Sundaresan and that Kalyanam, were they like this then? Oh! Each person used to be highly active and hilarious. They used to think that they were great warriors,” said Bhagavan.

“When was all that?” asked Sivanandam. “That was while we were in Virupaksha Cave. Nayana actually drew up a plan on paper for the city to be built. A special place was allotted for me in that plan. Afterwards he used to draw up plans suitable for the administration of the empire. No king, no kingdom — plans, however, were got ready. Many plans were prepared like that. Where was the king? Where was the kingdom?” asked Bhagavan. Subba Rao, a disciple of Nayana, said, “Why, was there no king? He is just opposite to us. Only this king wears a loin cloth. What is wanting?  Haven’t houses been built around the hill? Isn’t the place where Bhagavan sits, like a king’s palace? The whole administration here is going on like a king’s household. Only there are some differences between an ordinary kingdom and this. That is all.”

“That is all right. Nayana also used to say that the position of a Maharaja and a Mahajnani is the same. When astrologers predicted that Tathagatha (Buddha) would become either an Emperor or a sannyasi, full of wisdom and knowledge, his father prevented him from going out anywhere, kept him in the palace and tried his best to interest him in the pleasures and luxuries of the palace. At last when he (Buddha) somehow managed to go out on some pretext, he saw all the sufferings of people in the world. So, he ran away and took sannyasa. One of the two empires, material, or spiritual,” said Bhagavan.

IT ABSOLUTELY DOUBTLESS THAT ARUNACHALA HILL IS MERU ITSELF and Bhagavan is the very Shakti worshiped as Sri Lalita Tripura Sundari. Lalita Sahasranamam is verily another stotram which is nothing but Self Enquiry itself. All Her names only signify the the highest Brahman as revealed to us by Bhagavan. Evert name of Sri Lalita only directs to the Self.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Pronunciation
« on: September 27, 2011, 08:54:34 AM »
Dear ramana1359,

you can listen to it here -

http://www.forvo.com/word/jnana/

Saluations to Bhagavan

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Dear Krishna,

Yes the talk of Wise Spiritual Leaders across all religions today is this only -

वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम "Vasudeva Kutumbakam"

that means that the whole world is one single family and allmost all religions agree to this that there is "soul" and as Bhagavan says, lets first realise this "soul" and only then would all theories make any sense! if at all!

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This concept originates in Hitopadesha: 1.3.71: Udāracharitānām tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam’ , meaning, ‘This is my own relative and that is a stranger’ – is the calculation of the narrow-minded; for the magnanimous-hearts, however, the entire earth is but one family ' and in Pancatantra 5.3.37, and is considered an integral part of the Hindu Philosophy.

(Source - Wikipedia)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Ramanaduli ji & Subramanian Sir,

This topic is indiscernible really! All our knowledge on Reality goes for a complete toss when we have some ailments. Infact, this is the razor's test for anybody to verify where each one of us stands really!

This gives us a direct feedback, as in it shows me at least the level of my identification with my body.

The body pains when we recognize it as pain, remains, but the "recognition" makes it "bearable"

Like Subramanian Sir's example, I too have noticed that when I had a severe headache, sometimes when I am working and involved perfectly in it, the head ache itself had vanished what was a very bad ache initially.

Also, I have tried specially practicing Self Enquiry at that precise moments of dis-ease and I have noticed that common diseases like Headaches, common cold, body pain, fever etc... are put at ease and when the effort is sincere, the relief has been that much.

what doctors do is mainly give tranquilizers (allthough medicines have other drugs) they primarily induce one to sleep and by sleeping, the mind's coming in way is barred and the natural process is allowed to take over and unlike the popular belief, it isn't the medicines that is eventually healing one but ones own body itself heals itself, medicines just felicitate this to happen.If we are able to do it naturally, then we don't need much medication.

Another observation that struck me is that -

When we get fever, our body temperature raises. This is a natural response of our body to kill certain bacteria within our body and it is done so by increasing the temperature of our body. If we are able to recognise this, we can heal ourselves. There is a Natural Healing system within ourselves. If we are able to discern this with clarity, then we can avoid medicines for most of the issues of our body. Similarly, if we look within deeply, we can realise that what we call a 'diseases' in our body are actually a natural responses by itself (body) to protect itself. Rather we have to learn to co-operate with it instead of interfering with its natural process! Body itself is part of Prakruti (nature)

Body is our Prarabdha. Its a luggage we have to carry till the body reaches its destination (Not us, for we don't have any destination) :) ! Its a responsibility that we cant  reject, its rather thrust on us due to our past karmas.

We can Heal ourselves! Or we can say, the body can heal itself :)  Let it be.

With Proper Discernment, it only means complete Sharanagati or completely surrendering to the will of God which itself is allowing the natural process.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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