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General topics / Re: Sexuality & morals
« on: October 11, 2011, 09:47:22 PM »
Absolutely Sreeswaroop ji

Where is mind in presence of Bhagavan.

Jyoti, have you visited Ramanshramam? If not, we devotees in the forum request you to visit at your earliest convenience and experience sitting before Bhagavan in the Old Hall.

Once you experience the ambrosia of Bhagavan, then that nectar shall never leave you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Friends,

This is how subtly the mind goes outwards. These are subtle ways the mind plays games of maya. The net lesson is that it does not matter really in the scheme of Self Enquiry to discern about Sri Ganapaty Muni and others. Its only another way of the mind to continue its survival (going outwards) Infact Bhagavan has said in several instances that there is really "No Other" and that "other" is Thyself only, a projection of our mind. This is clearly mentioned in Ulladu Naarpadu. Outgoing mind is only the loka, or the world. This is Jaagruth Swapna (Waking Dream) of Ganapaty Muni and Steve Jobs

Once the mind goes outwards, it tries to score points to prove its point of view - This is truth, that is truth, not this not that, etc... Both are false really, both are illusion really. Right and Wrong are Dvandaas, Duality. The Self is beyond dualities of Right-Wrong, Good-Bad, True-False, etc..  (this is all happening in the dream - waking dream)

Self is the Recognisor of these dualities, it is the Self on which these dualities appear. The Self is the Throne/seat of the mind.

There is neither Ganapaty Muni or Steve Jobs. Its more important to Recognise that the mind has gone outwards more than anything else! This is the fundamental discernment. We got carried away by our mind watching a movie of Steve Jobs and Sri Ganapaty Muni. Realise that we are watching a movie and remember this verse - Naan udiyaadulla Nialali, Naam aduvaai ullanilai. Restrict the flow of thoughts further, restrict the continuance of the the thoughts about Sri Ganapaty Muni and Steve Jobs (as case may be) and remain Still and Just be with awareness that what is, is just Self alone.

Once we realise we are watching a movie, after we discern this, what we need more to do is just get up and come out of the movie and there is no need to watch the movie anymore (Mana Adakkam) resting mind at its source - The source of Recognition!

The movie need not be even completed. Let it end abruptly as is (Dream) upon recognition for the movie is just illusion. Ganapaty muni and Steve Jobs are the projections of our mind in waking dream!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Sexuality & morals
« on: October 11, 2011, 01:47:03 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Is it important to know this answer of is it important to enquire into Self?

It is not important to know Bhagavan's views on this topic, its irrelevant. He would remain silent.

For the Self, there is no sexuality, no orientations, no feminine, no masculine.

Who is the one that is asking this question? Is the one that is asking this question a male or a female?

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Udai,

Vakya Vitti is unique work among all other works of Adi Shankara which directly gives out the ultimate reality in our palm, like Hastamalaka. Perhaps we could say, This is the Direct Method of Shankara just as Bhagavan's Self Enquiry! This goes to prove it -

शिष्य उवाच​
को जीवः परश्चात्मा तादात्म्यं वा कथं तयोः ।
तत्वमस्यादिवाक्यं वा कथं तत्प्रतिपादयेत् ॥

The disciple said:

What is the individualised Self? What, then is the Universal Self? Hoow can they both be indentical? And, how can statements like तत्वमसि Tat tvam asi "that thou Art" discuss and prove this identity?"

अत्र बुमः समाधानं कोऽन्यो जीवस्त्वमेव हि ।
यस्त्वं पृच्छासि कोऽहं ब्रह्मैवासि न संशयः ॥

The Teacher said:

I Shall answer your question. Who else can be the individual Self (Jiva) other than yourself, that asks me this question, "Who am I?". There is no doubt it. You alone are the Brahman!

Ramana Maharshi - All scriptures without exception proclaim that for attaining salvation, the mind should be subdued. And once one knows that control of the mind is their final aim, it is futile to make an interminable study of them. What is required for such control is actual enquiry into oneself by self-interrogation – ‘Who am I?’ How can this enquiry in quest of the Self be made by means of a studying of the scriptures?

One should realise the Self by the Eye of wisdom. Does Rama need a mirror to recognise himself as Rama? That to which ‘I’ refers is within the five sheaths, whereas the scriptures are outside them. Therefore, it is futile to seek by means of the study of the scriptures, the Self that has to be realised by summarily rejecting even the five sheaths.

To enquire ‘who am I that is in bondage?’ and to know one’s real nature alone is Liberation. To keep the mind constantly turned within and to abide thus in the Self is alone Atmavichara (Self-enquiry), whereas dhyana (meditation) consists in fervent contemplation of the Self as Sat-Chit-Ananda (Being- Consciousness-Bliss).1 Indeed, at some time, one will have to
forget everything that has been learnt.

The Realised Man stands forth as That to which all the attributes enumerated by the scriptures refer. To him therefore, these sacred texts are of no use whatever.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 10, 2011, 11:18:13 PM »
Dear Anand,

The Shrutis say -

यद्भावं तद्भवति

Yadbhaavam Tadbhavati

What you consider yourself to be that you are or that you become

ब्रह्मविद् ब्रह्मैव भवति

Brahmavid Brahmaiva Bhavati

Knower of Brahman is Brahman himself or becomes Brahman himself

Know Brahman and you become Brahman itself!

Knowing Brahman is Being Brahman


Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 10, 2011, 08:39:40 PM »
Though Nagaraj sir and Subramanian Sir are relentless on stressing the need for Sadhana , I am tempted to ask one question still.
BY virtue of the darshan or the thought of the holy hill, at what stage of our spiritual evolution are we .
Can we stage that we are on the threshold of emancipation and need to make that final push for  the final milestone.

Dear Anand,

Who says you are not enlightened at the moment? You are already That. The Sages have told you "Tat Tvam Asi" "Aham Brahmaasmi" "Ayamaatma Brahma"

Why are you unable to see it? :) Where is a need to attain enlightenment? where is the need for emancipation?

Bhagavan has also repeatedly said, Arunachala is Thy Heart.

He has sung "Arunachalam Agame" Arunachala is Self.

You are Enlightened, Nobody asked you to seek enlightenment! Its your ignorance to seek something that we already are?

Are you able to see this  ;)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 06:52:54 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

Thinnai Swami's story is exceptional. Here are some pictures -

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 06:31:02 PM »
Dear Anand, Subramanian Sir,

That Arunachala shall confer Moksha even if one thinks about Arunachala can be better understood with this great story of Janaka -

There is another beautiful story at the prelude of Ashtavakra Gita itself. I just remembered it as I was reading your post. Its again a story told by our beloved Bhagwan.

King Janaka was listening to a Philosophical treatise being read by a State Pandit wherein a passage occurred to the effect that a rider who had placed one foot on the stirrup, contemplating upon realisation could realise the Self before he lifted the other foot to place it on the other stirrup. That passage taught that when realisation comes, it comes in an instant. The King stopped the pandit from proceeding further and ordered him to prove the statement.The Pandit admitted that he was only a bookworm and was unable to impart wisdom. Janaka suggested that the text was either false or exaggerated, but the pandit would not agree to this. Though he was himself unable to impart practical wisdom, he maintained that the text could not be false as they are the wise words of great sages. Janaka was annoyed and then in a fit of rage he sent the pandit to prison.
He ordered every Pandit to be sent to prison who was not able to prove the scriptural text. So many pandits being feared of imprisonment fled from the country to forests and other places. In the forest, Ashtavakra happened to see some pandits running into the thick forest and enquired with them and offered to prove the text to the King and have all the other Pandits realeased.

Later, having the bold assurance of Ashtavakra, Janaka saluted him with great reverence and ordered the release of all the pandits imprisoned. Janaka thought such assurances could come from only one who had the capacity to set all his doubts at rest.

The sage advised him not to be in a hurry and suggested that they should go to a solitary spot. Janaka on his horse and Ashtavakra in the Palanquin went towards the forest. After some distance, the Sage asked the King to send back the retinue. Janaka did as he was asked. and then when placing his feet in the stirrup, he requested the sage to prove the scriptural text. The sage replied whether the position in which they stood indicated a proper master-disciple relationship. The King understood that he should show due reverence towards Ashtavakra. The sage addressed the King as Janaka and he was no longer a king and ordered that he should surrender himself and all his possessions before he imparted to him Brahma-jnana. So be it said Janaka and immediately Ashtavakra disappeared. (Saying this our beloved Bhagwan imitated the posture of Janaka)

Time passed by, and the anxious citizens began searching him. The eventually found him in the forest in a place where Janaka was standing transfixed and were dismayed to find hm unaware of their presence and indifferent to their earnest enquiries.  Then they set forth in search of Ashtavakra, who they thought must have done some black magic and would have cast a spell on the King and vowed a vengeance upon him.

At last having found Ashtavakra, the ministers requested to him earnestly to remove the spell cast on him and bring back him to normalcy. Ashtavakra ingnored all these remarks with contempt and called the name of the King 'Janaka', who immediately saluted him and responded to his call. all the Ministers were surprised. Ashtavakra told the King that he was maliciously being accused by the people of having brought him to some sad plight and asked him to tell the truth. He angrily asked 'who said so?' all ministers were taken by surprise and pleaded for mercy. There upon Ashtavakra asked Janaka to resume normal functions adding that Brahma Jnana could be taught to a competent persons and that since the king had successfully passed the test and that He would now impart it to him. The sage remained alone with the King during the night and taught him the ultimate truth saying "Brahman is not anything new or apart from oneself and no particular time or place is needed to realise it.

The next morning the ministers found the king calling the assembly and performing his functions as usual. Now in the assembly, Ashtavakra asked the King whether his former doubt about whether Brahman Janan could be attained as suddenly and as quickly as mentioned in the scriptures was cleared? and if so bring a horse and demonstrate the truth of it.

Janaka was all humility now and said "Lord because of my immaturity, I doubted the correctness of the scriptural text. I now realise every letter of it is true. The ministers thanked the great Sage.

It is without doubt that one can attain Self Realisation or Moksha in just a fraction of a second, one can realise the Self before one lifted the other foot to place it on the other stirrup! One should be a disciple like a Janaka, that is the qualification! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 05:11:49 PM »
Dear Anand,

Before Subramanian Sir responds with his valuable views. I would like to share some interesting quotes of Bhagavan on Arunachala.

Bhagavan once said to his devotee Devaraja Mudaliar, "For everybody it is good to make circuit of the hill. It does not even matter whether one has faith in this Pradakshinam or not just as fire will burn all who touch it whether they believe it will or not, so the hill will do good to all those who go around it.. .. . .. Go round the hill once. You will see that it will attract you"

The Seed is sown the very moment one has the darshan of Arunachala. One becomes ready for emancipation.

All his life Bhagavan referred to the spiritual effect of the mountain. Once when he was asked why he had left his home and come to Arunachala, he answered that he had been drawn there by Arunachala itself. The force could not be denied. "Arunachala is within and not without. The Self is Arunachala." Another time, when he was asked about the nature of Arunachala he answered, "For the human eye it is only a form of earth and stone but its real form is jyoti (Divine Light) "Jnana"

Bhagavan gave innumerable example which could be quoted, in particular his five hyms of Arunachala, but there is one thing that cannot be denied - if Bhagavan can be said to be said to emotionally attached to anything it was to Arunachala. He would just gaze constantly for long time unmoved from the old hall through the window. Bhagavan also often stated that the mountain is inhabited by Siddhars, who live on the hill in various forms, even as animals.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 04:46:07 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

We cannot possibly get a better clue than this, still... it continues... :)

Kabir sings..

Kasturi kundal base, mrig dhoondhe van mahi'

The kasturi, a fragrant, is in naval of a particular specie of deer, but the deer having its fragrance runs in search of that in whole of forest!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Vivekachudaamani verses
« on: October 09, 2011, 04:40:27 PM »
विरज्य विषयव्राताद्दिषदृष्ट्या मुहुर्मुहुः ।
स्वलक्ष्ये नियतावस्था मनसः शम उच्यते ॥२२॥

Viraajya Vishatavraataaddishtyaa Muhurhuh |
Svalakshye niyataavasthaa Manasah shama uchchyate ||

The peaceful state of the mind when it rests constantly upon the contemplation of the Goal after having again and again detached itself from the chaos of the sense objects through a process of continuous observation of their defects, is called Sama.

Its a constant Tapas. The Discernment has to be constant, its akala, timeless.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 04:21:15 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

Once upon a time in a small town in India, there was a temple. Several devotees visited it both in the morning and in the evening. After a while, one of the very poor person from some nearby place came there. He had lost everything he had. He collapsed outside the temple. People being very nice, helped him with some food, water. He started getting better, but he had no where to go. He setup his bed under nearby tree. Passersby started giving him some money. Eventually, he got better, but by now he had become comfortable being a beggar. He did not try anything else, since he was doing OK just begging. People did not like having a beggar outside the temple, but they continued to offer him small change out of habit, and out of their goodness.

After a while, the beggar died. People arranged for his last rites. Then they decided to clean the beggars place so that there won’t be any more beggars outside their temple.

They cleaned the place. But then the decided to just dig up the place while they are at it, and just be absolutely sure. After a few strikes, they hit something. After careful examination, they found a pot full of gold coin. (They used it renovate the temple) Poor Beggar, he was sitting on a pot of gold his whole life, but never realized, and continued his life begging to people for his day to day survival.

In the same way, Arunachala's grace is ever here, Arunachala's grace pervades everywhere, ever giving, only we are not receiving the grace by stretching our hands.

One gentleman met Bhagavan and asked, "Can you give me what you have?" but Bhagavan didn't answer, so after some lapse of time this gentleman repeated that question "I am asking 'Whatever you have, can you give it to me?'" Bhagavan said, "I can give you, but can you take it?"

There lies everything, can we take it? we should ask ourselves this question - "Can I take it? if not why cant I take it?" and enquire and discern the Truth. We have to enquire, Bhagavan says he can offer it but can I take it? Why is he asking if I can take it? What could that be? Why should be? Why would I not be able to take it? we need to discern within.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Consciousness
« on: October 09, 2011, 11:39:28 AM »
"Existence or Consciousness is the only reality. Consciousness plus waking we call waking. Consciousness plus sleep we call sleep. Consciousness plus dream, we call dream. Consciousness is the screen on which all the pictures come and go. The screen is real, the pictures are mere shadows on it"

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 09, 2011, 10:22:41 AM »
“Give up this awful disease that is creeping into our consciousness, the idea of ridiculing everything (including our scriptures!), the loss of seriousness. We need to give that up! We need to be strong and have this shraddha, a strong belief in ourselves, a strong belief in the indestructible atman, and everything else is bound to follow.”

Dear Jyoti,

We all need a dose of Vivekananda. There is one beautiful small book available at Ramakrishna Math called as "Power Capsules" which contains the quotes of Swami Vivekananda, and, each of those quotes gets deep into the core of cells and shake and rise all the dormant wisdom and clarity that is within us.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Arunachala / Re: Arunachala and mother of Bhagavan
« on: October 08, 2011, 06:27:38 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

suppose we want to eat ice cream, can we get the ice cream just by merely sitting in an ice cream parlor? we need to buy the ice cream, and to buy, we need money, and for money, we need to work, to work we need knowledge, for knowledge, we need to surrender to the Guru. The Guru enlightens the significance of Arunachala. When the grace of Guru falls on us, we attain Moksha.

So the trick is in earning the grace of Guru, yearning for Him! Only an enlightened Guru knows the secret of Arunachala. When we win His grace he reveals the secret of Arunachala.

Bhagavan Ramana has revealed these subtle secrets and significance of Arunachala in his most loved Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai. You can read about Arunachala and his secret doings.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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