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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Fear
« on: October 20, 2011, 04:03:25 PM »
The ego which we talk about is just an illusion. We should never forget that. the ego which we refer to is just a mistake, its the false belief that a snake exists, while it really does not. The fight of ego is as good as a fight in a dream!

Why would we want to believe that a mirage still exists, while it is not?

Proper and careful discernment of the truth will weaken the disillusionment, I mean, one need not even fight the ego out, it is a simple recognition when one carefully meditates on the truth.

To fight the darkness one just needs the light (not the ordinary light, the light of knowledge) The darkness is not destroyed here, it is not even there. In that spirit :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Knowledge cannot know itself
« on: October 20, 2011, 12:20:48 PM »

Along with Bhagavan Ramanar, other Saints, who have captured me so much as Bhagavan, are the saints of Maharashtra. Reading their works and about their lives really gives goosebumps to one, their simplicity is extraordinary! Saint Jnaneshwar and Saint Nivritti especially. Their lives are just mind blowing, just like the Nayanmars! The come under the Nath Sampradaya.

Their small couplets are so simple yet EXTREMELY PROFOUND. Even a simple common man can get a glimpse or a grasp of the 'Atma Tatva' easily!

Salutations to the glorious Guru lineages

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Knowledge cannot know itself
« on: October 20, 2011, 12:11:48 PM »

आपुलिया बुबुळा ।दृष्टि असोनि अखम डोळा ।
तैसा आत्मज्ञानी दुबळा ।ज्ञानरूप जो ॥३१॥

The pupil of an eye cannot see itself!
True, it is the very instrument of vision;
But it does not have such an ability as that.
In the same way, even the Self-realized yogi
Is helpless to see the Seer.
Knowledge cannot know Itself;
The Perceiver cannot perceive Itself. (31)

(Jnaneshwar, Changadev Pasashti)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Self alone exists always
« on: October 20, 2011, 11:37:02 AM »
Interesting excerpts from Shiva Samhita:

अभेदो भासते नित्यं वस्तुभेदो न भासते ।
द्विधात्रिधादिभेदोऽयं भ्रमत्वो पर्यवस्त्यति ॥४६॥

The Spirit always exists without any difference; there is no divisibility of substance in it; two-fold; three-fold; and manifold distinctions arise only through error. (46)

यद्भूतं यच्च भाव्यं वै मूर्तामूर्तं तथैव च ।
सर्वमेव जगदिदं विवृतं परमात्मनि ॥४७॥

Whatever was, is or will be, either formed or formless, in short, all this universe exists in the Spirit (47)

कल्पकैः कल्पिता विद्या मिथ्या जाता मृषात्मिका ।
एतन्मूलं जगदिदं कथं सत्यं भविष्यति ॥४८॥

Imagined through ignorance, born of untruth, whose very essence is unreal, how can this world with such antecedents (foundations), be true?(48)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Subramanian sir,

Bhagavan composed the Thai Thaapamaatral prayer as under, very beautiful indeed:

In 1914, when Bhagavan's mother fell ill seriously, during her brief stay with Him, Bhagavan composed this small prayer to Arunachala:

1. Hill of my refuge that cures the ills of recurring births!
O Lord! it is for Thee to cure my mother's fever.

2. O God that smitest Death itself! My sole refuge!
Vouchsafe Thy grace unto my mother and shield her from
Death. What is Death if scrutinised?

3. Arunachala ! Thou blazing fire of Jnana ! Deign to wrap
my mother in Thy light and make her one with Thee.
What need then for cremation?

4. Arunachala, that chasest away illusion (Maya)!
Why delayest Thou to dispel my mother's delirium! Besides
Thee, is there anyone who with maternal solicitude can
protect the suppliant soul and ward off the strokes of

Salutations to Sri Ramana

If anything comes your way, by reason of prarabdha (destiny based on the balance sheet of past lives) you can't help it. If you take what comes, without any special attachment and without any desire for more of it or for a repetition of it, it will not harm you by leading to further births. On the other hand, if you enjoy it with great attachment and naturally desire for more of it, that is bound to lead to more and more births. "The only freedom man has is to strive for and acquire the jnana which will enable him not to identify himself with the body. The body will go through the actions rendered inevitable by prarabdha and a man is free either to identify himself with the body and be attached to the fruits of its actions, or to be detached from it and be a mere witness of its activities."

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / How to pray for others
« on: October 19, 2011, 08:19:53 PM »
A devotee once asked Bhagavan how to pray for other people. He answered,

"If you are abiding within the Self, there are no other people. You and I are the same. When I pray for you I pray for myself and when I pray for myself I pray for you. Real prayer is to abide within the Self. This is the meaning of Tat Twam Asi - That Thou Art. There can be no separation in the Self. There is no need for prayer for yourself or any person other than to abide within the Self."

Salutations to Bhagavan

Many times I complained to Bhagavan that I was not making any appreciable
progress, bemoaning the persistence of desires. Bhagavan replied making light
of my trouble:

"It will all go, all in time. You need not worry. The more dhyana (meditation)
one performs the more will these desires fall away."

(From M.G. Shanmugam's Personal Diary)
Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Mind Mocking
« on: October 19, 2011, 05:51:08 PM »
[Khanna] handed Bhagavan a piece of paper on which he had written something. After reading it Bhagavan said,

‘It is a complaint. He says, “I have been coming to you and this time I have remained nearly a month at your feet and I find no improvement at all in my condition. My vasanas are as strong as ever. When I go back, my friends will laugh at me and ask what good my stay here has done.” Then, turning to Khanna, Bhagavan said, ‘Why distress your mind by thinking that jnana has not come or that the vasanas have not disappeared? Don’t give room for thoughts. In the last stanza of ‘Sukavari’ in Thayumanavar the saint says much the same as is written on this paper.’ And Bhagavan made me read the stanza and translate it into English for the benefit of those who did not know Tamil. It goes: ‘The mind mocks me, and though I tell you ten thousand times, you are indifferent, so how am I to attain peace and bliss?’

In the first half of the ‘Sukavari’ verse the mind of Thayumanavar is complaining to its jiva, its spirit or soul, about the division that has sprung up between them.

(1)‘Like yourself [the jiva] who are spirit, have not I, the mind,
and my friend, the prana, always dwelt within the body?
Long ago someone or other separated us,
designating us as “insentient” and yourself as “sentient”.
From the day you heard that, right up to the present day,
you have unjustly erected a barrier between us and suppressed us,
exercising your oppressive rule. What a great task you have accomplished,
right before our eyes!’
(2)When my foolish mind thus grossly abuses me,
my heart is scorched and blackened,
like beeswax exposed to a leaping flame!
Can this be right and proper?
Though I have called upon You [God] ten thousand times,
you have not taken pity on me, and bestowed your grace.
Henceforth, how may happiness ever come to me? Speak!
Supreme Godhead,
pure and devoid of all attributes!
Supernal Light! Ocean of bliss!

Then I [Devaraja Mudaliar] said to Khanna: ‘You are not the only one who complains to Bhagavan like this. I have more than once complained in the same way, and I still do, for I find no improvement in myself.’
Khanna replied: ‘It is not only that I find no improvement but I think I have grown worse. The vasanas are stronger now. I can’t understand it.’

Bhagavan again quoted the last three stanzas of ‘Mandalattin’ of Thayumanavar, where the mind is coaxed as the most generous and disinterested of givers, to go back to its birthplace or source and thus give the devotee peace and bliss, and he asked me to read out a translation that I had once made

(1)Mind, you who evolve from maya
as jewels are wrought from gold!
If you are freed from your defects
so that blissful samadhi is attained
by meditating on [reality] within oneself
as oneself, by melting within,
and by making [you] fall away,
I shall attain redemption.
No one is as kind to me as you are – no one.
When I ponder on this, you [the mind]
are equal to the grace of God.

(2)Amongst those who have taken on bodies
to experience the [the world],
be they Brahma, or any of the gods,
it is true, is it not,
that for any of them to reject you [the mind],
and exist without you,
is impossible, quite impossible.
Without you, can anything be,
in this world or the next?
To vainly label you ‘unreal’ is unjust.
So I shall praise you as ‘real’ also.
In order that my wretched state may be ended,
you must return to the glorious land of your birth.
(3)You who have been my companion
for many a day, were you to lie dead
through the enquiry [vichara]
that has separated you from me,
I should revere that ground with perfect devotion.
Through the mauna Guru who has ruled me
I will be free from ‘I’ and ‘mine’,
becoming one with his grace.
The eight siddhis, liberation itself,
which is a vision delightful to behold,
shall be mine upon the earth.
Through you my anxieties shall be ended.

(4)All my interminable wrangling
with birth will end in this very birth.
For me, the state of jivanmukti,
which is difficult for anyone to experience,
will arise.
Oh, Sir [mind]! Will even a cloud
or a grove of karpaka trees
suffice as a comparison to you?
Can your greatness be described
in the seven worlds, beginning with earth?

(Excerpts from "Bhagavan and Thayumanavar" - Robert Butler, T. V. Venkatasubramanian and David Godman)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Humour / Nondual Blockage
« on: October 19, 2011, 05:27:36 PM »


Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Fear
« on: October 18, 2011, 06:00:47 PM »
Dear Krishnan, Friends,

sorry,  I dont mean to discourage you from self enquiry.
But I think it is nearly impossible to ask 'to whom is this fear'  when the real fear grips you in the supreme mysterious state.

At that very moment where moment itself loses its meaning, you will only feel a great great force , a roaring wind.

Yes what you said is right. At that very moment, all these makes no sense really. When, initially, a pole is seen as a ghost by mistake, all our nerves tighten and scares all the wits out of us. When the rope is seen as a snake, it scares all the wits out of us. Similarly, when the Witnessing Ego, begins to get glimpse about its own non existence, it gets hold of fear, out of ignorance that it is going to die. What dies really? The body is inert, already dead How can an inert body die really? Here, Fear signifies Identification with body and the fear is all about destruction of this identification (like the fear of a Superstar losing his stardom)

That because of which you got to know that voidness, That from what light you got to know that voidness, emptyness, That from which you were able to know your experiences of fear, etc...  That alone is real, not this :)

Bhagavan has said - Bhagavan said - "that which makes the enquiry is the ego and the "I" about which the enquiry is also the ego and as a result of the enquiry ego ceases to exist and only Self is found to exist"

The existence of Self is not arrived at because itself is Pramana SwaPrakasham -- Self Illuminating! There is no other entity to vouch the existence of this Self. Do we need a light to see the Sun? 

Initially, it makes us numb, unable to respond as we are in the grip of the fear. When we are gripped in fear it means we have identified with that fear. But how are you able to recollect that there was a fear? is it not because something remained a witness all through, untouched, uninvolved, Achala, unmoving? including your being gripped by fear, the supreme states? note the fear, it different from this chaitanya, that reamined still, untouched, like the Bad smell in the air still does not affect the air!

But at the dawn of the light of discernment that the snake is really not and its only rope and the pole is not a ghost but only a pole, the fear drops just the same way the snake dropped and the ghost disappeared.

So long 'fear' is there, enquiry still has to persist. One has to transcend this fear. The fear is just like the experiences in a dream.

Ultimately, we should never forget that, there is really nothing to become, nothing is going to change, Bhagavan has said we are already that, so there is really nothing to become, hence, experiences are to be overlooked and stay put and focused on Self 'I'

Krishnan, you mentioned, after Nirvikalpa, anything can happen, you mentioned some 5 possibilities. But, After Nirvikalpa, what could happen, what remains to happen, who remains to witness what happens? Who really cares what happens? Here the Eeshwara (Self) is Sarva Vyaapi.

Nir-Vikalpa itself means without any vikalpas. No choices there, no two's.

What is Nirvikalpa can never be told. because the 'I' entity is Not. Bhagavan never said anything about 'states' what happens to ego, etc...

When one is in Nirvikalpa, He is not! Once one has attained Nirvikalpa, there is no returning back, where one can come back and recollect the experience of Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

It is only others, who recognise the chaitanya in such a persons and perceive the glowing radiation and peace. Bhagavan was ever in Nirvikalpa Samadhi, which is termed as Sahaja Samadhi

There is no coming back and going forth. Bhagavan has said not to pay much importance to these experiences! They are just illusions of mind.  No Matter what happens, do not ever lose awareness on Self, on 'I' Keep holding on 'I' no matter heaven falls, no matter you feel fear, death, hold on to 'I' NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, EVEN IN THE CRUX OF A SITUATION, EVEN IN DIRE STRAITS JUST HOLD ON TO THE 'I' ALONE DON'T LOSE FOCUS, NOTHING CAN HAPPEN. THIS I AM SURE. Then What matters what happens? let what happen happen just surrender to the holy feet of Bhagavan, the Self.

Moreover there is no coming and going from body. What goes out of body or what comes into the body? Is the body in the atma or the Atma in the Body? To say that atma is in the body is wrong and also that the body is in the atma also is wrong.

One of the Names of Vishnu is Maha Gartha, rughly translated as 'Huge void pit' which sucks everything into nothingness. This is   its significance. The Self is that Maha Gartha

I' alone is truth.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Agastya (Hindu Sage And Author Of Agastya Samhita)
« on: October 18, 2011, 11:18:33 AM »
Dear Sri Sreeswaroop ji,

yes, Agastya Muni is known as Kumbha Muni as he was born in a earthen pot (incubator)  :)

Agastya Muni was the first to write the Grammar treatise on Tamizh 'Agathiyam'. Tamizh holds the unique indentity of having 2 grammar treatises, one by Agastya Muni and the other by Tholkaappiyam as said by Sri Subramanian Sir. Which only paralleled by Panini Sutras for Sanskrit. (अष्टाध्यायी, Ashtaadhyaayi)

Agastya Held the First Tamizh Sangam in the Holy Presence of Lord Shiva, Ganesha, Murugan, and other great Sages of that time.

The famous "Sri Chakra Raja Simhasaneshwari Sri Lalitaambikaye" carnatic song is composed by Agastya Muni.

Agastya Muni is the first among the 18 Siddhars.

Thirumoolar is said to have come down from the Himalayas and learnt tamizh. His Guru was Nandi Deva
Agastya Muni is said to be a Chiranjeevi. He is said to still live, hence no Samadhi. Other famous Chiranjeevi who is still said to live is Ashwattaama (Drona's son)

It was Agastya Muni who named the famous river 'Kaveri'

I am not well read in Siddha lineage. Not really sure about their periods. But I am aware many other Siddhars have reffered to Agastya Muni in their works.

It is said that Lalita Sahasranaamam was revealed to Sri Agasyta Muni by Sri Hayagreeva at Thirumeeyachur in Tamil Nadu.


Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Fear
« on: October 18, 2011, 09:28:57 AM »
Dear Arjuna16,

Many such experiences result due to deep meditation/self enquiry. Give no importance to these experiences. Infact these experiences becomes a hurdle. Stop not, keep enquiring further who is the 'I' to whom these experiences are seen. It is all the play of mind, about fear and all. These are the very subtle ways by which the mind stays back, creates hurdles in the meditations.

The moment you are able to register your experience, that very moment, the meditation broke from continuity. Hence resume your Self Enquiry. Do not worry or give much importance to these experiences, the enquiry should not be stopped.

Fear is a way by which the mind tries to interpret your experiences to break the continuity! Hence don't pay much attention to your experiences. Just continue. If you feel 'fear' at that very moment, enquire, who is is it that is feeling fear?, who am I that is feeling fear. Go further!

There is no death, There is no disappearing! These are all illusions. Don't pay heed. Only for that which is not, there is death, not for that which ever Is. 

Even after this discernment, if you feel scared, hold Bhagavan's picture in your hand and continue your meditation further.

Experiences/Fear are really hurdles. Do not stop. Stop not! What is there to happen?, Nothing!, Nothing! Just be! Experience is only of the mind, not of the Self. This is a subtle indication to yourself that mind still persists.

Don't try to solve the mystery of your experiences and fear. It will take you back, instead continue with the same fervor. There is no use analysing your experiences. Its a barricade! Experiences, Fear are all illusions!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Agastya (Hindu Sage And Author Of Agastya Samhita)
« on: October 17, 2011, 04:30:26 PM »
Agastya is known as Kumbha Sambhava or Kalashodbhava. One who was born in a Pot. What we call in modern terms "incubator"

Agasgtya is still said  to live.

The famous Naadi Astrology, which supposedly reads accurately about a person past, present and future life, his name, siblings, their names, parents, life span etc... by just a finger print is said to have been originated by Agastya Muni. There are just very very miniscule remains of the authentic Olai Chudi palm leaves with the secrets of Naadi Astrology, which is most times miss used by current day Naadi Astrologers.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Words of wisdom
« on: October 17, 2011, 12:59:38 PM »

All want to rush out. There is no limit to going out. Happiness lies within and not without. All spiritual teachings are only meant to make us retrace our steps to our Original Source. We need not acquire anything new, only give up false ideas and useless accretions. Instead of doing this, we try to grasp something strange and mysterious because we believe happiness lies elsewhere. This is the mistake. Forgetfulness of your real nature is true death; remembrance of it is rebirth. What appears will also disappear and is therefore impermanent. The Self never appears and disappears and is therefore permanent. It is the only Reality.


Salutations to Bhagavan

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