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General topics / It will pass
« on: November 01, 2011, 03:58:28 PM »
A student went to his meditation teacher and said,
"My meditation is horrible! I feel so distracted, or my legs ache,
or I'm constantly falling asleep. It's just horrible!"

"It will pass," the teacher said matter-of-factly.

A week later, the student came back to his teacher.
"My meditation is wonderful! I feel so aware, so peaceful,
so alive! It's just wonderful!'

"It will pass," the teacher replied matter-of-factly.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Sadhana Tips
« on: November 01, 2011, 11:42:51 AM »
Dear Krishnan, you are also correct :) in such cases, a sadhaka takes birth after having performed lots of Tapas, meditation and Punya Karmas in his past birth itself. Therefore one is well acquainted with the teachings of Bhagavan at the go, without even having to go through the preliminary stages again in this birth.

Take for instance the incident of Indira:

Indira was very mischievous. She used to see the books in the Almirah in the Old Hall, remove them, open some  books, and in the process, she made them to fall down also.  One day, in the Telugu Upadesa Saram book, she found these four letters written on the very first page. She read them aloud. Sri Bhagavan said:  Oh, Indira, all that you have read is the essence of all knowledge.  Keep this as mantra.  So Indira used to repeat these four words often and Sri Bhagavan used to appreciate her.

After some days, the father and two daughters left for their home in Andhra Pradesh.

Around April 1943, Indira fell seriously sick.  All through the months from 1941, she was chanting Dheham, Naham, Koham, Soham very
frequently.  During sickness too, she was chanting these mantras. She soon developed small pox and finally merged with Sri Bhagavan
on 13th April 1943, which was incidentally Sri Rama Navami day!

It is told that G.V. Subbaramiah constructed a small samadhi over the place, where girl Indira was buried and wrote down Dheham, Naham,  Koham and Soham.

Take the examples of Cow Lakshmi, she has already done much sadhana in her past birth and only a little karma was pending to be duly endured in her current birth and she attained Nirvana. There are many instances. Bhagavan Himself is the biggest example. He attained the Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi at the age of 16. He had no read any scriptures, nobody knows if he even did his Nithya Karmas, Sandhyavandanam, etc... he attained in just few minutes. Where as compare with some saints who had to do so much tapas in caves, and undergo lot of sufferings to over come the mind body maya.

We don't know when, what happens. In tamil there is word called "Aalkollal" I don't know an english replacement for this word. We don't know when we will be consumed by Arunachala the Self.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: How to speak truth
« on: November 01, 2011, 10:59:08 AM »
interesting information Subramanian Sir, I did not know U.V Swaminatha Iyer had Bhagavan's darshan :)

We owe much to U.V Swaminatha Iyer for all the repositories of tamizh knowledge... He was also known as Tamizh Thaatha, Tamil Grandfather

Salutations to Bhagavan

Humour / IT - Meditation
« on: November 01, 2011, 10:53:53 AM »


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General topics / Understanding & not understanding
« on: November 01, 2011, 10:45:24 AM »
"If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are."

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / How to go beyond the mind
« on: November 01, 2011, 10:31:14 AM »
[By confronting it] no one can destroy the [mind's] nature [of rising and jumping out through the senses]. [The only way to destroy it is to] ignore it as something non-existent [i.e. as a mere false appearance]. If you know and consciously abide in Self, the base [for the rising and setting] of the [mind's] nature, the velocity of the [mind's] nature [i.e. the velocity with which it rises and jumps out through the senses] will gradually come to an end [since there will be no one to attend to it].

 - (Guru Vachaka Kovai, 921)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: How to speak truth
« on: November 01, 2011, 09:29:53 AM »
सत्यस्य वचनं श्रेय: सत्यादपि हितंवदेत् ।
यद्भूतहितमत्यन्तं ऐतत् सत्यं मतं मम ॥

Telling truth is recommended, but more than that, is telling those things, which are in interest of all. According to me (Naarada), thing which is beneficial to large community, is truth.

Subramanian Sir, here is the Thirukkural which you referred to:

பொய்மையும் வாய்மை யிடத்த புரைதீர்ந்த
நன்மை பயக்கும் எனின்.

If it will result in blemish-free good / benefit, even a lie can be considered to be true.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Before/After Enlightenment
« on: October 31, 2011, 07:23:32 PM »
Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water."

 - Zen Proverb

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: How to speak truth
« on: October 31, 2011, 02:03:54 PM »
Dear Sreeswaroop,

now we see why Hinduism is not referred to as a religion. because, it respects each and every person in their own way. We may be seeing an elephant, but no two people see the same way. The vision of elephant will be different for both.

There is an IMPOSSIBILITY in the confirmation of the truth. Truth alone is, absolutely attribute less! in Shivamahimna Stotram:

असित-गिरि-समं स्यात्‌ कज्जलं सिन्धु-पात्रे सुर-तरुवर-शाखा लेखनी पत्रमुर्वी।
लिखति यदि गृहीत्वा शारदा सर्वकालं तदपि तव गुणानामीश पारं न याति॥ ३२॥

O, great master! Even, if one were to assume that the blue mountain , the ocean, the heavenly tree and the earth are the ink,the ink-pot, the pen and the paper respectively and the goddess of learning (Saraswati) herself is the writer,she will not be able to reach the frontiers of your greatness,however long she were to write! 

Such is the predicament in telling the ultimate truth! Hence the Sages remained Silent, the eternal Dakshinamurthy.

Which is why in Sanatana Dharma, instead of the terms "Right" "Wrong" or "False" or "Truth" we have the term "DHARMA"

And again, in Sanskrit too, when we use the term "Satyam" it does not really mean "the truth" "the right" but it meant the ULTIMATE REALITY ITSELF - the "Ulladu" that is "Satyam" in Sanskrit Ganapathy muni used the word "Satyam" for the word Ulladu in Tamil.

only falsehood is death. being Greedy is a lying, miserly is lying, hurting others is lying, vice is lying. All these bad qualities are in reality termed as a "lie"

When the Vedas said "Satyam Vada, Dharma Chara" it meant the opposite of the above. Living a true and full life.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Sharada Temple in POK, I guess, Adi Shankara foresaw these and established a Sharada temple at Sringeri

Adi Shankara once walked on these grounds :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Temples in Pakistan.

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General topics / Re: How to speak truth
« on: October 31, 2011, 12:36:45 PM »
Sreeswaroop ji,

its relataive and very common in vyavahaara, suppose a person has just had heart attack and is resting in hospital, and then we hear a news about a huge fire in his office, and cores of money has been destroyed. would we tell the truth bluntly to the person? Situation calls the decision! would it not be fatal if we told the recoveing person that his factory had been destroyed and nothing remains!

One need not be a Maharshi or a Narayana Guru for this. Moreover, when the other person is still not ready enough to face the truth, we need to be extra careful with such a person and say the truth only when the person is ready. Till the child grows up, the mother tells the kid that if it utters lie, then God will take its eyes... and other such lovable lies!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: How to speak truth
« on: October 31, 2011, 12:32:33 PM »
Beautifully explained Subamanian Sir,

Now that this topic has come, how can anybody forget the famous incident from Mahabharata of Yudhishtra's lie, a master plan of Sri Krshna Himself :) :

In the war, Yudhisthira was targeted by Drona to get captured. For this plan to be successful, Duryodhana invited King Bhagadatta, who was a son of the asura Narakasur, in order to fight against the Pandavas.

Bhagadatta was the King of Prajokiyatsa (in present-day Assam or Burma). As Krishna had killed his father Narakasur, Bhagadatta agreed to join the Kauravas opposing Krishna. But in spite of Bhagadatta's support, Drona failed to capture Yudhistra alive. The Kuru commander and preceptor did, however, kill hundreds and thousands of Pandava warriors, thus advancing Duryodhana's cause.

On the 15th day of the Mahābhārata war, Drona got instigated by King Dhritarastra's remarks of being a traitor. He used the Brahmadanda against the Pandavas. Brahmadanda was a spiritual divine weapon that contained the powers of seven greatest sages of Hinduism (Saptarshis). But Drona did not impart this knowledge either to Arjuna or to Ashwathamma. Thus, he proved to be unconquerable on the 15th day of war.

Observing this, Krishna devised a plan to bring down the invincible Drona. Krishna knew that it was not possible to defeat Drona when he had bow and arrow in his hands. Krishna also knew that Drona loved his son Ashwathama very dearly. So, Krishna suggested to Yudistra and other Pandava brothers that, if he were convinced that his son was killed on the battlefield, then Drona would get dejected to such an extent that he would lay down all his arms on the ground and it would be easier to kill him.

In order to find a way out, Krishna suggested Bhima to kill an elephant by name Ashwathama and claim to Drona that he has killed Drona's son Ashwathama. Following this plan, Bhima located and killed an elephant named Ashwathama, i.e. the same name as Drona's son. He then loudly proclaimed that he had slain Ashwathama, so as to make Drona think that his son was dead.

Drona however, did not believe Bhima's words and approached Yudhisthira. Drona knew of Yudhisthira's firm adherence to Dharma and that he would never ever utter a lie. When Drona approached Yudhisthira and questions him as to whether his son was truly slain in the battle by Bhima, Yudhisthira responded with the cryptic Sanskrit phrase "Ashwathama hathaha iti, narova kunjarova" (Sanskrit: "अश्वत्थामा हतः इति, नरोवा कुंजरोवा..." meaning 'Ashwathama is dead. But, I am not certain whether it was a human or an elephant'). Note: Ashwatama was also the name of an elephant.

Krishna also knew that it was not possible for Yudhisthira to lie outright. On his instructions, the other warriors blew trumpets and conches, raising a tumultuous noise in such a way that Drona only heard that "Ashwathama is dead", but could not hear the latter part of Yudhishthira's reply.

Drona knew that if Ashwattamma was dead, then his soul must have gone to heaven. So, out of grief, and believing his son to be dead, Drona descended from his chariot, laid down his arms and sat in meditation. Closing his eyes, his soul went to Heaven in search of Ashwathamma's soul.

In the meantime, Drupada's son Dhristadyumna took this opportunity and beheaded the unarmed Drona who was not aware of
the whole proceedings on Earth. This was considered an act of cowardice on Dhristadyumna's part.

Drona's soul, which went to Heaven could not find Ashwathama's soul there and so returned to Earth in order to find the truth about Ashwathama's death. But it could not get back into its body as Drona's head was separated from his body.

In this way, Drona got killed in the Mahabharata War. His death greatly aggrieved and enraged Arjuna, who had immense affection towards his teacher, and had hoped to capture him alive rather than killing him.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Two mistakes one can make along the road to truth
« on: October 30, 2011, 07:34:30 PM »
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth:

not going all the way,
and not starting.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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