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General topics / Re: Boredom
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:31:33 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

yes, but after true discernment, the wordly life is not different from the spiritual life, for it is us, in the end, who are present in both worlds, the spiritual and the world as well!

'I' am there also, 'I' am here too. So in the end, we will have to end up facing this 'I' and cope with it, which is nothing but the mind, which manifests itself due to boredom.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Boredom
« on: November 17, 2011, 11:55:03 AM »
Boredom is the most troublesome defect, a sadhaka experiences in his intense sadhana. Why is it, that, all our anubhuti (being-experience) of the truth is always temporary? Why is it, that, each time, when we sit for enquiry on the self, we are unable to continue the focus after some time? After some time, we get tired, or bored and we are naturally forced to get up and do something else to relieve ourselves!

The fundamental problem with our sadhana is our boredom. Unfortunately, the reality, the truth, the Self is really not an exciting subject after a certain level of discernment for our minds to dwell in the subject, because, the mind eventually realises that, the Self is nothing new, it is nothing other than itself, there is nothing, anymore exciting in knowing what is already known, and then it is bored and looks for newer and other fresh experiences to dwell into. We usually, watch television, call some acquintance over the phone and chit chat, or go out for a walk or a round somewhere, aimlessly, sometimes, boredome culminates into hunger, want of new taste, so, one eats, or one picks up some books and reads, maybe spiritual or aspiritual. If all of these don't interest the mind, the mind tries to seek physical pleasures, enjoyments, wine, women and lavish money spendings or look for new Gurus and exciting sadhanas to keep itself occupied  in some experiential transcendental bliss. If it has no activities to do, it feels sleepy and sleeps out of boredom.

Depression is a fine line here. When the mind is bored, and is also equally bored to, not do any activities, or do any thing new, such a mind falls into deep depression. Depression is basically the inability of the mind to remain occupied in something. It is at a loss for all ideas to keep itself engaged.

It is neither able to keep itself occupied in activity nor is able to discern further the enquiry into the Self, it is unable to remain as Self.

The whole problem of Samsara is the weakness of the mind to cope with itself about the fact that it itself is the personification of boredom.

Mind itself is Bored of itself, as it intuitively knows about itself but not experientially. It intuitively is aware that it is nothing but just a bunch of information and without information, it is nothing and this is its true nature, which is the pure Self.

The mind feeds on information and more precicely, newer information because, it is not content in having the same old information, which it already has.

How to cope with boredom? If we are able to win the boredom, which itself is the mind, we are at peace. We have to be with that boredom. Remain with boredom, just sit with it, be with that pain of boredom. Do not do any activity out of boredom. Be with boredom and bore the boredome itself.

Remaining with boredom is like being an erasor, so long we remain still with the boredom, the information is being erased. the sankalpa to raise above and do something is pulled down to source by not allowing the boredom to take over you. The Mind receives its light from you to act. Without your will and permission, the mind does not act. Therefore, deny any permission to the mind to act. If any important duty is there, just allow the mind to do that and remain.

This is Tapas. This is true Sadhana. Sometimes, if this sitting is really tough, one may excercise Self Enquiry. But it is even better to remain still without even thinking. The mind, the personification of boredom would tease and taunt you to think about various things and tease you like the damsels from the Sky. Do not give any room to it. Remain with awareness and not allowing the thinking. Remain Still with boredome, till it erases every other information and itself in the end. You will remain even after that.

Not allowing the mind to think is erasing the information and itself. Just observe. Be a passive observer of your mind, Do not act on whims and fancies of the mind. Just be. Ignore the mind. The mind is like the Ghost which resorts to silly tricks of fooling you by emotions and taking the guise of importance etc... do not give any room for anycomplacency and be still. Sit with boredome. Put the boredom as though you lock it in a cage and do not open the door. Do not open this door at any cost, the mind will play tricks to fool you.

If duty calls, you go and finish just the duty and come back here. You dont even have to allow the mind to perform the duty. You can!

Try, Try...

Patience is this. This is patience, bearing the mind - boredom. enduring boredom and not allowing it to emerge.

This is the non emergence of 'I' non emergence of ego, non emergence of boredom.

The easiest and quickest way to fight boredom is just being with it, sitting by it without doing a thing. Even chanting shlokams and japam are only secondary. It is only when the being with boredom becomes tough, we resort to chanting the names of God, instead of allowing the mind to exert its activities. It is basically to supress the activity of the mind. But even better than it is just being simply quiet with patience and enduring the boredome mind without doing anything.

while in the beginning, it is ok to chant shlokas, do japam, etc... eventually, culminate yourself in remaining simply by the side of the boredom mind. don't even do this. Then the mind will beg, and cry, oh God, ok I will not do other things, but at least please allow me to chant shlokas (it is here in this state, where many Bhaktas have sung so many songs on the inspiration of you (God, Self) who is a mute witness. The boredom cries, please, I beg of you! Even then at that advanced state, remain quiet, don't get trapped in the plays of the mind - boredom. Don't even allow the chanting of Shlokas to the mind, while it is ok to allow the mind to sing and chant shlokas for only some time, while it is unbearable, do not allow that freedom for ever. Would you give amrit of immortality to the Asuras? the Rakshasas? Don't give. Recollect the Mohini, avatar of Vishnu.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Ancient India and World
« on: November 16, 2011, 05:26:24 PM »
Another reason to be proud of India.

Researchers are now finding out the facts that Hindu Civilisation's existence even from 32000 years upto 1 lac years back.

Salutations to Bhagavan

ॐ इश्वरो गुरुरात्मेति मूतिर्भेदिवभागिने । व्योमवद्व्यप्तदेहाय दिक्षणामूतर्ये

- Sureshwaracharya,

Isvaro gururatmeti murti bheda vibhagine vyomavad vyapta dehaya dakshinamurtaye namah

The Guru, God and Atma are identical.

Talk 90:

Again, the Trinity was explained:
God the Father represents Isvara
God the Holy Spirit represents Atman
God the Son represents Guru

Isvaro gururatmeti murti bheda vibhagine vyomavad vyapta dehaya dakshinamurtaye namah:

Meaning that God appears to his devotee in the form of a Guru (son of God) and points out to him the immanence of the Holy Spirit. That
is to say that God is spirit, that this spirit is immanent everywhere and that the Self must be realised, which is the same as realising God.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Subramanian Sir,

Yes, At least some soul even thought about making a film about Sri Adi Shankaracharya, Sri Ramanujacharya, Sri Ramanujacharya.

Really a Bharat Ratna, was Sri GV Iyer


Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Ramana, Subramanian Sir,

Sri TK Sundaresa Iyer recollects in his book "At the Feet of Bhagavan" about how the mantra came about. I am reproducing the chapter here -

THE mantra “Om namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya” fascinated me greatly in my early days; it so delighted me that I had always a vision of Sri Krishna in my mind. I had a premonition that this body would pass away in its fortieth year, and I wanted to have a darshan of the Lord before that time. I fasted and practised devotion to Vasudeva incessantly; I read Sri Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam with great delight. Then when I read in the Gita “Jnani tu atmaiva me matam” (In my view, the Jnani is my own Self ) I was greatly delighted. This line of thought came to me: “While I have at hand Bhagavan Sri Ramana, who is Himself Vasudeva, why should I worship Vasudeva
separately?” Be it noted that all this was in my early days before settling with Bhagavan at His Ashram. So I wanted one single mantra, a single worship (devata), and a single scripture, so that there might be no conflict of loyalties. Sri Ramana Paramatman became easily the God to worship, His collected works easily became the gospel; as for the mantra, it struck me intuitively that “Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya” might be an exact parallel to “Om namo Bhagavate vasudevaya.”

I counted the letters in this new mantra, and was very happy to find it also contained twelve letters; I told this all to Sri Bhagavan, and He gave the mantra His approval.

Advanced practisers (sadhaks) and thinkers may laugh at this and say: “Why do you need a mantra while the Ocean of Bliss is there to be immersed into directly?” I confess that in this I was trying to conform to the traditional method of practice (upasana) which forms one of the main elements in bhakti (devotion). Bhagavan has revealed His true nature as the All-Witness; yet there is the explicit injunction that Advaita must be only in the attitude and never be interpreted in outer action. This is how the mantra first came out.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is lust?
« on: November 16, 2011, 09:51:28 AM »
Bhagavan did not even give us lessons on restraint too, rather he took even our ownership of our body too!

To even, fall trap to Lust, first, we must have strong Dehaatma Buddhi - Body Consciousness. But Bhagavan repeatedly said, we are not the body. It does not matter if we are able to see it as yet! Bhagavan says so, it must be true therefore.

Who has lust then? What is Lust then? Let that entity (body) which is capable of having lust ponder? Why should we (Self) bother?

Therefore, To think, I am body, itself is lust!

Bhagavan has pulled us all so close to him, that we devotees of Bhagavan need not even bother about lust! Where has the Bhagavan given us Principle? Like Muruganar lamented, Our Guru has even gobbled up even the Principle unlike other Guru's who leave the principle(Feeling of 'I', 'My', 'Mine') with devotees and take interest 'Effort'.


No need to bother of Lust and all, Just hold on to 'I' that alone is required!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Sri Adi Shankaracharya - Movie
« on: November 15, 2011, 08:11:39 PM »
Dear Self,

Here is the link to the famous classic movie directed by Sri GV Iyer "Sri Adi Shankaracharya" with English Subtitles

2 hours 40 minutes.
Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Bondage & Liberation
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:55:48 AM »
तदा बन्धो यदा चित्तं किन्चिद् वांछति शोचति ।
किंचित् मुंचति गृण्हाति किंचिद् गदृष्यति कुप्यति ॥८-१॥

tadā bandho yadā cittaṁ kincid vāṁchati śocati
kiṁcin muṁcati gṛṇhāti kiṁcid dṛṣyati kupyati 8-1

Bondage is when the mind longs for something,
grieves about something, rejects something, holds on to
something, is pleased about something or displeased about

तदा मुक्तिर्यदा चित्तं न वांछति न शोचति ।
न मुंचति न गृण्हाति न हृष्यति न कुप्यति ॥८-२॥

tadā muktiryadā cittaṁ na vāṁchati na śocati
na muṁcati na gṛṇhāti na hṛṣyati na kupyati 8-2

Liberation is when the mind does not long for anything, grieve
about anything, reject anything, or hold on to anything, and is
not pleased about anything or displeased about anything.

(Ashtavakra Gita)

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Sadhana Tips
« on: November 14, 2011, 09:29:55 AM »
The true form [nature] of God [Self] cannot be understood except by the mind which stands firmly still in nishta [Self-abidance or samadhi]. Therefore, without allowing the mind either to wander as a vagabond [i.e. to undergo waking and dream sakala] or to fall into laya [i.e. to fall into sleep kevala] due to tiredness, train the mind to be conscious and still on one target [Self].

 - (Guru Vachaka Kovai, 516)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Passing Time
« on: November 13, 2011, 05:28:45 PM »
yes Subramanian Sir, really a very hard task it is!

I can relate my predicament to that of a person who was under the influence of his drink so long, that suddenly when that person stops drinking all together, he is unable to pass time which he was so long able to do it with great appeasement under the influence of alcohol (mind, ego, desires, etc...)

Like a prisoner who has lived in a prison for all these years, say 80% of his life and when he is finally released due to his good conduct, the freedom is like a prison now :D not knowing what to do!

Freedom is really not easy! and how many can understand this! And what we call our duty, our responsibility to our family, society is actually very less, now, when I see! we have plenty of time to spare, really!

Under the sway of maya, we are engrossed in so much work and occupation, of which 99% is for ones own self gratification and when that sway is broken, it is a tremendous energy to curtail! it is the dance of Shiva Thandavam!

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Sadhana Tips
« on: November 13, 2011, 10:08:58 AM »
Dear Subramanian Sir, Jyoti,

The definition of a mantra is:

"mananAt trayate iti mantra"

manana--thinking, reflection, meditation; trayata--protect.

Therefore, enquiry is in the end not different from a mantra.

a Mantra, usually, a formula, a name of Lord; the repeating of which involves, careful conscious attention coupled with assimilating the essence of the mantra, what it conveys and the reflection of the same constantly by repetition & contemplation!

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Sadhana Tips
« on: November 12, 2011, 11:01:45 PM »
Dear Jyoti,

don't have any distinctions such as this is mantra and that is enquiry. Whatever it is that you do, do it with the spirit of pure Bhakti and Faith. What matters, if it is a Mantra or Enquiry or whether it is ones native language or something else?

Yes, to make a nice tea, we need to know the ingredients and the quantity that we need to mix together. But then when you drink the tea, why bother about the ingredients and the formulae? Just enjoy the taste.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: What is Neo-Advaita?
« on: November 12, 2011, 10:51:38 PM »
Personally, it is just a term used by the orthodox to refer to the modern seekers! Every soul out there is a seeker according to me. Be it, the scientists or spiritualists, just the ways are different!

I believe, neo advaitins stress more on knowing the ends more than the means - to put it very simply!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Passing Time
« on: November 12, 2011, 05:55:04 PM »
Especially, deep spiritual aspirants, are usually caught up unaware, on how to pass time and specially, deep spiritual seekers somehow end up having so much free time at our disposal and we don't know what to do. I'd like to hear from you, friends!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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