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General topics / Re: Women
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:38:46 PM »
शोचन्ति जामयो यत्र विनश्यत्याशु तत्कुलम् ।
न शोचन्ति तु यत्र एता वर्धते तद्धि सर्वदा ॥

Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers.

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General topics / Re: Women
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:29:39 PM »
पितृभिर् भ्रातृभिश्च एताः पतिभिर् देवरैस्तथा ।
पूज्य भुषयितव्याश्च बहुकल्याण्म् ईप्सुभिः ॥


Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their own) welfare.

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General topics / Women
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:08:54 PM »
यत्र नार्य: तु पूज्यन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवता: |
यत्र एता: तु न पूज्यन्ते सर्वास्तत्र अफला: क्रिया: ||

(मनुस्मॄति Manusmriti)

Where women are adored and given respect, the Gods like to stay in such places. But where women are given ill-treatment, at such places no work is successful because of absence of Gods.

It can been seen very evidently that in those families where women were/are not treated well, that families suffer badly. There will be no evident reasons for their sufferings. Hence, the first and foremost of our duty is to treat the women in our family as the Goddess herself. Where the women are happy, the house flourishes with all Goodness!

Where the Women are happy, all the Good things start coming to ones family and life involuntarily and automatically without even our effort.

It is the worst sin to treat the women badly. Many of our families may be suffering and facing unnecessary hurdles, friends, if such is a case, then the best way, our ancestors have show is by showing respects to few good known women around us. There are rituals such as Suhasini Pujai etc... which are symbolism to this great saying! Good things starts coming to our Griha (house) It is said that Goddess Lakshmi resides there only, where the women are treated with utmost respect.

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General topics / Good Deeds
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:01:35 PM »
वने रणे शत्रुजलाग्निमध्ये महार्णवे पर्वतमस्तके वा |
सुप्तं प्रमत्तं विषमस्थितं वा रक्षन्ति पुण्यानि पुरा कॄतानि ||

When one is trapped in the middle of a jungle ,in the war, in the midst of enemies, water/flood or fire, in the ocean or on the mountains; while sleeping, in unconsciousness, or in (any kind of) odd situation - The good deeds that one might have done in the past, protect oneself.

(Niti Shataka, Britrahari)

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General topics / none is our friend or enemy if..
« on: November 21, 2011, 04:47:43 PM »
न कश्चित् कस्यचिन्मित्रं न कश्चित् कस्यचित् रिपु: |
अर्थतस्तु निबध्यन्ते मित्राणि रिपवस्तथा ||

Nobody is friend of any other person. Nobody is enemy of any other person. Need (intention or the situation) only binds (a person as your) friend or enemy. Friendship or enmity is a relationship between two persons, and it is decided only on their interests. No person is your friend or enemy if you don't consider your interest.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 04:33:16 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

I remembered the story of Ajamila from Bhagavatam, which is very interesting. It is a direct proof to the efficacy of the utterance of Nama of the Lord. The Name of Lord, whether uttered with a sense of hate or fear or out of distaste or even out of intention of disproving the Lord, it still has its efficacy. How can anyone forget the story of the great Tamil poet Kannadasan who was a declared atheist and when Karunanidhi gave him Bhagavad Gita and asked him to write everything that is wrong in the Gita and so that they can publish that book and circulate it among the masses. A. L. Muthiah (his real name) who started reading the Gita inorder to find all the loopholes in it, slowly started being trapped in the admiration of Love of Krishna and eventually he was completely captured and he renamed himself Kannadasan thereafter. Such is the Power of "Nama" of Lord.

Ajamila is a figure from the Puranas. The story of Ajamila is taken from Bhagavata Purana Canto 6.[1]

Ajamila was raised according to the Vedic regulations. He was a perfectly trained Brahmin and had a chaste and beautiful wife.
But one day, while he was out in the fields collecting flowers for worshipping the Lord, he happened to see a drunken sudra and a prostitute engaged in sexual embrace. Ajamila became bewildered and attracted; his mind becoming more and more attached to the prostitute. In Bhagavad-Gita it is said that if one contemplates sense objects, he becomes attached to them. Although Ajamila was a strict Brahmin he became helplessly entangled by seeing a man and woman engaged in sexual activity. Consequently he took this prostitute into his home as a maidservant. Inevitably, he became so entangled that he abandoned his family, wife and children and went off with the prostitute. Due to his illicit connection with the prostitute, he lost all his good qualities. He became a thief, a liar, a drunkard, even a murderer. He completely forgot about his original training as a Brahmin, and his whole life was ruined.

Engaging in sinful activities, Ajamila fell down from his position, and he begot many children through the prostitute. Even towards the end of his life, around the age of eighty, he was still begetting children. It is explained that while he was dying, which is a very fearful time, he began to call out to his pet child, whose name was Narayana. Narayana is another name of God or Krishna. At that time, the Yamadutas, the messengers of death, were coming. They were tying up the subtle body of Ajamila and preparing to take him to be punished by Yamaraja, the lord of death. At the same time, because he happened to be speaking the holy name of the Lord Narayana, the beautiful Visnudutas, the messengers of Krishna, also arrived there. They checked the activities of the Yamadutas, refusing to allow them to take Ajamila for punishment. The Yamadutas were bewildered. "Why are these effulgent and beautiful personalities checking our action? It's our duty to take sinful men to Yamaraja for punishment; then they are awarded another material body for the next life so that they can get the result of their sinful activity." There was a discussion between the Yamadutas and the Visnudutas. The conclusion was that although Ajamila was sinful throughout his life and gave up his religious life, his wife and children and begot children through a prostitute, he nevertheless was purified from all these sins because at the last moment he chanted the holy name of Krishna, Narayana. If this single act of the utterance of a four-syllable word Narayana can make such a difference to life after death, what larger worlds of fullness and majesty he may not conquer by really leading a noble life of Dharma in the memory of the Lord? -- so thought Ajamila. And that very moment he renounced everything to which he was attached, went to Benares and engaged himself in austerities and meditation and in due time reached the abode of the Lord. It is noteworthy that a wrongdoer is given a chance to correct himself and thereafter lead a virtuous life before attaining salvation. It is not as if the Lord gives him a boon because he uttered the Lord's name when death was nearing him. It was the resultant of his previous good deeds that helped him to remember who he was and then get back to his previous position. Yet he had to struggle again and do enough penance before he could get salvation.

(Source: Wikipedia)

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 12:18:00 PM »
Dear Sreeswwaroop ji, Subramanian Sir,

What happened to all those people who did japam with Tao Guna is the Puranas? :) They all died eventually, they, in the sense, their ego had to die eventually.

All the Asuras represent the Ego. And all Asuras eventually merged with the Deity who killed them. All Asuras represent only the ego, the rajotamo guna

They are killed meant the killing of Ego. Ravana, Bhasmasura, Tarakasura, Mahishasura, all did great tapas and eventually got killed by the God. What really got killed is their EGO, they are eternal Atma and merged with the God.

Japam only does positive. No negative! it is sure guaranteed sadhana to reach the heart of the Lord. There is no doubt that the Tamo Rajo guna (ego) get killed and eventually.

The Mantra, or Nama, itsels is so powerful that even if one is insincere towards doing japama, The power of the Japam itself takes one further, it bestows the blessings of sincerity to the Sadhaka. No Doubt about this.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:56:30 AM »
yes precisely Sreswaroop ji, The desire to commence a japa for fulfillment of ones desire transcends the same desire eventually! One cannot stay put in enjoyment of desires for ever.

And moreover, if a person is filled with Tamo/Rajo Gurna excessively, If such a person is so deep rooted in Tamo-Rajo Guna, a desire would not sprout in him to do some prayers or Japam in first place. That is the light of Satva Guna. That light grows and grows and as one does Japa even out of ignorance, his tamo guna and rajo guna reduces involuntarily due to the effects of the Sadhana even ignorantly!

Like Bhagavan's words, whether or not one does the Girivalam with faith or not, it leaves its effect on the person!

To begin with it, a Sadhaka even if he begins with the belief that he has the right to enjoy the fruits of action. a child first begins to learn abcd... but eventually he would transcend that desire for the betterment of others. He would want to do service for others, desire to help others, he would pray for such desires so as to be helpful to others and enjoy the fruits. eventually he is lead to to that desirelessness.

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:30:09 AM »
Dear Sreeswaroop ji,

Is not the desire to even obtain/selection of some nama or mantra itself a fruit? :) it itself is a blessing! a result of a blessing. Such thought occurring in ones mind in midst of all worldly thoughts, isn't itself a great blessing? Isn't that thought to even start doing a japa itself a great thing? Such thought is prompted only due to the blessings of the Lord!

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:12:54 AM »
Udai, any method is basically fine if one is already acquainted with one. :)

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:10:04 AM »
Dear Subramanian Sir, Sreeswaroop ji,

Yes, majority of the people consider mantras as magic words that is capable of confering to them their desires! I felt, why not? what is wrong in that? If one chants Rama Rama Rama, with utmost fervor to have their objects of desires such as:

Please get my son or daughter married to a good family, Please bless me with a good job, please help me with my loans, please give me powers to become the richest person on earth, make me powerful, etc...

I feel, why not? I felt, it is absolutely ok to do japam with desires. But Lets not also forget that the same Japam is capable of tuning the performer's mind as well and bring him to the true spirit of Self and beyond the material desires.

It is better to do Japam with desires that not even do at all.

It is said that even Kamsa attained Krishna by the way of constant remembrance of Krishna out of fear! Such being so, it is fully ok to pray with desires.

There is one very beautiful story as told by some sage! There was one great robber, who was very intelligent and was capable of stealing things without being noticed by anybody. One day, during mid night, he entered a house and after finishing his job, his legs hit some vessels by mistake which fell and the owners awoke and became cautious, and began to shout "thief, thief" and woke his neighbors as well and the entire village was awoke and all of them went in search of this robber.

Meanwhile, this robber, quietly made his escape and he had reached the boundaries of the village, and he was too tired and was sure of being caught of he ran further. Because he had not shaved for some months, he had good beard. His intelligence prompted him to sit under a peepul tree and began enacting as a sadhu with his eyes closed and he sat down in padmasana.

The villagers who came chasing the thief, and could not trace him anymore, while they were returning, the villagers were surprised to see a new Sadhu in their village and the thief being intelligent, his enacting of a Sadhu was so perfect that people felt peace in his stature and began to pay their respects to him.

Each day, the villagers began to take care of the thief Sadhu and brought to him good food and donations etc... The thief was immersed in the bliss of all this, he was telling to himself, wow, I am getting everything without even working! I am getting all jewels and food without even having to steal anybody. He was continuing like this for some time, sitting silently in front of the villagers posing as meditating, and one day it struck to him, and he pondered, just by being an artificial Sadhu, he got so much love and respects of the villagers, what if he were really a True Sadhu. He resolved himself that moment that he would strive to become a real Sadhu and engaged in rigorous Tapas and he eventually became a great Tapasvin.

That way, It is ok, to take some Nama and do Japa, with motives also. Don't all our Shlokas have also "Phala Shruti" "Benefits of chanting" in them? In the same way, it is a good sign if one has that blind faith over mantra, that it shall confer the performer his desires!

At least with such belief, let such a person commence, let us not stop such a person, in this spirit, is what i humbly felt! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Neither the Doer or the Reaper
« on: November 21, 2011, 10:33:36 AM »
अकर्तृत्वमभोक्तृत्वं स्वात्मनो मन्यते यदा ।
तदा क्शीणा भवन्त्येन समस्ताश्चित्तवृत्तयः ॥

akartṛtvamabhoktṛtvaṁ svātmano manyate yadā
tadā kṣīṇā bhavantyeva samastāścittavṛttayaḥ

When one sees oneself as neither the doer nor
the reaper of the consequences
then all mind waves come to an end.

(Ashtavakra Gita)

Salutations to Bhagavan

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 21, 2011, 10:08:03 AM »
Yes, it is mandatory to have minimum counts of atleast 108 to start with. Traditional practices recommend 3 times during the day: During Sunrise, During Mid day and During Sunset. It has to be done facing the east.

With the progression of this Sadhana, eventually, one can culminate this japam during work and etc. But before that, atleast a minimum of 6 month of strict practice of 3 times a day is mandatory. It is important to maintain the time very much because, it trains us from all other duties and to give more importance to Japa during these three times.

One of the most used ways of keeping count of Japam with fingers is given aside. One should count upto 10 and then count from back to first again and one cycle completes 20 counts and 5 such 20 counts makes it 100 + 8 counts makes it one complete Japa of 108 counts.

Another way recommended is the use of Japa Mala. Commonly, people use the main index finger to keep counts which is wrong to do so. The Shrutis say, one has to rest the Japa mala in the middle finger and count using the thumb. Image as given aside. One should never use the index finger for any purpose in any ritual performance.

Before one commences the Japa, one should wash his limbs and face and sit in one calm corner upon a mat and prepare oneself mentally and begin the Sadhana. It has to be done slowly and not fast very rhythmically

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Anand - Self,

Very nice! Infact, elders of the yore have always represented that love for God like the love of a lover to his/her beloved. Such should be the warmth and earnestness and yearning for the Lord. There is pain in separation but that pain is beautiful, and yet that separation is not really a separation, it is the deepest and most purest form of love for God, or we can say Compassion or it could even be just a deep gratitude for the Lord.

Personally, Sadhana is every moment, our very life itself is a Sadhana. Every perceptible thing I am able to perceive through my eyes, nose, ears, tongue, skin and mind is a "Guru Tatva"

There is Guru in the most beautiful things and scriptures and also there is Guru Tatva in the ugliest of things and meanest of things as well.

There is Guru Tatva even in excreta and filthiest and most disgusting things we can even think off. The terrorist as well as a great statesman is also a "Guru Tatva"

Life is our Sadhana

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Islam Advaitin? - Mansur Al Hallaj
« on: November 20, 2011, 05:39:05 PM »

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