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At another instance Bhagavan said to somebody -

Kailash is the residence of Shiva, whereas, Arunachala is Shiva Himself :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:03:43 AM »
गुकारश्च गुनातीतो रूपातीतो रुकारकः ।
गुणरूपविहीनत्वात् गुरूरित्यभिधीयते ॥


Gukaarashcha gunaatito rupaatito Rukaarakah
Gunarupavihinatvaat Gururityabhidhiyate


The letter
“Gu” "गु" denotes that He is beyond the three Gunas and

“Ru“ रु denotes that He is beyond forms. Because He is free from Gunas and
forms, He is called the Guru. गुरु

(Guru Gita)

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Thus, the Guru is beyond any forms. The Guru is not the body. The Guru's body is only a tool by which that eternal effulgence emits grace constantly.

He is Guna Traya Teeta - The Guru is beyond all 3 Gunas, Satwa Rajas Tamas

He is Avastha Traya Teeta - The Guru is beyond all 3 Avasthas - Jaagruth Swapna Sushupti

He is Deha Traya Teetha - The Guru is beyond the 3 subtle states of Bodies Sthula Sukshma, Karana  - Gross, Subtle and Causal

he is Kala Traya Teetha - The Guru is beyond all the times, Past Present and Future - Bhuta Bhavya Bhavat

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Please help me with your insights
« on: November 24, 2011, 09:09:59 AM »
Dear Krishnan,

Just a small observation. I felt, it is in appropriate to refer Guru as "dead Gurus"

There is no Death for the Guru, as the Guru is not the gross body. The Guru never dies, the Guru ever is.

This post is of interest in this context http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=2633.msg6514#msg6514

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / What is to be sought
« on: November 24, 2011, 09:00:05 AM »
तदेव साध्यताम्, तदेव साध्यताम् ॥

"That" alone should be sought out, "That" alone should be sought out. (42)

(Narada Bhakti Sutra)


Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 24, 2011, 08:50:50 AM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

"Om Vachatbhuve Namah" reminds me of the essence of Gayatri Mantra. And, Gayatri Mantram in turn reminded me of a story as told by Bhagavan which foretells the importance of Initiation. Bhagavan once said "What is Gayatri? It really means ‘Let me concentrate on That which illumines all’

A devotee asked, “Can anyone get any benefit by repeating sacred syllables (mantras) picked up casually?” Sri Bhagavan replied, “No. He must be competent and initiated in such mantras.” To illustrate this he told the following story.

A KING VISITED his minister in his residence. There he was told that the minister was engaged in repetition of sacred syllables (japa). The king waited for him and, on meeting him, asked what the japa was. The minister said that it was the holiest of all, Gayatri. The king desired to be initiated by the minister but the minister confessed his inability to initiate him. Therefore the king learned it from someone else, and meeting the minister later he repeated the Gayatri and wanted to know if it was right. The minister said that the mantra was correct, but it was not proper for him to say it. When pressed for an explanation the minister called to a page close by and ordered him to take hold of the king. The order was not obeyed. The order was often repeated, and still not obeyed. The king flew into a rage and ordered the same man to hold the minister, and it was immediately done. The minister laughed and said that the incident was the explanation required by the king. “How?” asked the king. The minister replied, “The order was the same and the executor also, but the authority was different. When I ordered, the effect was nil whereas, when you ordered, there was immediate effect. Similarly with mantras.”

(Stories as told by Bhagavan)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Mantras
« on: November 23, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »
Guru Mantra, is that mantra which attributes to the Guru. Ashtakshari Mantra is attributed to Narayana. Panchakshari Mantra is attributed to Shiva. PanchaDasakshari Mantra is attributed to Sri Vidya and so on...

Attributes are nothing but Paths, which take you acorss the ocean of Samsara. Here when we refer to "Guru" Mantra or "Shiva Panchakshari Mantra" or "Vishnu Ashtakshari Mantra", etc... it does not really refer to the form of that deity. It means, through that form, be it Vishnu, or Shiva, or Devi, you are made to see that Ultimate Formless Self, which is yourself.

Mantra Sadhana, Japa Sadhana is that constant repetation and contemplation of that deity, by which the Mind Ekagram (Oneness of Mind, Concentration) is acheived.

That Mantra, what ever it is, is the refernece or the address of the destination. That address points to ones own self. Guru Mantra, what ever it is, leads to a point where You are yourself that Guru, whom you adored and respected and sought his blessings and upadesa and Mantra Upadesa from.

Tat Tvam Asi is the Address.

Guru Mantra, Shiva Mantra, Vishnu Mantra, Devi mantra  -  All represents the Self.

Guru(remover of avidya Ignorance - Self), Shiva (All Auspiciousness - Self), Vishnu (Which is all pervading - Self), Devi(Shakti - Energy, as "I-I" - Self) - These are all just another names of Self or Atma.

Bhagavan Ramanar allowed the use of Om namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya by everybody. Any body is free to take it as a Mantra Upadesa, Arunachala, Arunachala Ramana, Rama, Hare Rama, etc... These are few mantras which one is already eligible to use for mantra Japa, and one is by default give Dheeksha for few such select Mantras.

Certain other mantras require iniciation by a Guru. They are given based on the inclination of the Sadhaka.



Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Please help me with your insights
« on: November 23, 2011, 04:48:37 PM »
Dear Geeta,

Welcome to Satsang

You have raised some deep questions. Bhagavan's way is quite different from the usual. When an old woman, lamented and cried to Bhagavan about her difficulties, how she is having to suffer, how much burden she is having, etc... for some time, Bhagavan very patiently listened to her and paused for some time and he said to her, all these difficulties, did you have them even in your sleep too? and that lady replied spontaneously, no Bhagavan, during my sleep, nothing was there, I sleep very peacefully. Bhagavan then said to her, While you are sleeping, there are no problems, but all these problems have raised along with your waking, therefore, enquire who this 'I' which has awaken from sleep. Nobody knew, if that lady even understood anything, she sat for some more time silently and prostrated to Bhagavan and left.

Now, Kavyakantha Ganapathy Muni, who was a witness to this, was quite surprised, he was taken aback by Bhagavan's response to that old lady and prayed, asked Bhagavan, "Why, Bhagavan, have you chosen to reply thus (very high level of Atma Jnanam) to a very ordinary old lady, what will she know about Atma, Atma Vicharam, etc? Will she have even understood anything? Wouldn't it have been better, if Thou had asked her to do some Panchakshari Japam (Om Namah Shivaya) or something? which would have made some sense to her.

Bhagavan, kept silent for some time and said very casually, "I can only tell what I know, and let others tell what they know"

Bhagavan gave atma Upadesam not only to humans, but he spoke of Atma Vichara to Monkeys and other animals as well. When one attendant asked Bhagavan, when he saw Bhagavan telling a monkey about Atma Vichara, "Bhagavan, how can a monkey understand, Atma Vichara?" Bhagavan said, Language is not a medium, The Heart understands through the language of heart. He went on to say, I have been been telling you people, many of you also still don't understand, but don't some of you also understand? in the same way, even some animals among them also will understand"

Once somebody, thew a stone on a monkey and it fell down and died. All the other monkeys flocked Bhagavan as if in protest about the happenings. Bhagavan, who knew everything, came close to the monkeys and said with so much tenderness, "Whosoever is born has to die some time or the other, so don't grieve over the dead 'body' instead realise the that the atma within is deathless and birthless" Surprisingly, the monkeys quietened and they came to terms and understanding and left the place peacefully! Such was the power or Bhagavan. Even to Monkeys, when they came and complained to Bhagavan about their difficulties and problems, he only asked them to enquire within and realise the Atma.

When Karuppan (Dog) was seen barking at another dog, (its nature) Bhagavan used to tell him "Summa Iru" "Keep Quiet (Just Be), why cant you simply remain without exhibiting your nature (barking). Surprisingly, Karuppan immediately, spontaneously stopped barking and kept quiet and remained seated at peace. His Samamdhi can be found in the Ashram.

Like this, Bhagavan had responded to several devotees who turned up with different kinds of problems, some came worried and lamented to Bhagavan about their Children's marriage, some for diseases, some for birth of children, and so on... For everybody, Bhagavan gave more or less the same answer. He some how, made the questioners forget their questions and diverted their attention to their True Nature. Bhagavan, never gave a direct solution to devotees for their problems. He rather swallowed their problems and the devotees found themselves robbed from their problems.

Paul Brunton, quoted in his book, Bhagavan's words - "Problems need not be solved, problems have to be dropped. Because, in reality, there are no problems" Only mind conceives problem. The children of the mind is problems. Like the children of the childless mother, problems exist!

Bhagavan's one stop (solution) for every kind of problems was to really realise our True Self. He even said that, we are already realised and only we need to Claim it.

The only Sadhana, he seemed to have kept telling repeatedly throughout his physical presence was only one - "Enquire, who am I" hold onto the 'I' That is all. This one thing alone is sufficient for every problems to fall off on their own accord. The more we sincerely do this, our worldly problems solve by themselves. This has been experienced by most of the sincere Bhagavan devotees. Specific to your personal case, Sri Bhanu Sarma, son of Sri TKS Sundaresa Iyer, had plenty of debt, and during the 1940's he once came to Bhagavan and said to him about his huge debt and Bhagavan "oh, you have fallen into debt, is it? go around the hill, it will burn away your debt, this is fire mountain" and Sri Bhanu Sarma did it accordingly, and within short span of time, he was fully free of all debt and enjoyed a good life thereafter very peacefully.

Geeta, if you do get a chance to come to India in the near future, please reserve time to do Giri Pradakshinam around the hill once.

Another very important Quote of Bhagavan, which all his devotees are strung within is this -

"The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance with their prarabdhakarma (destiny to be worked out in this life, resulting from the balance-sheet of actions in past lives). Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent."

Whevever you feel stuck somewhere, or find yourself agitated, unable to act with prudence, in such tough time, just remember the above quote and you will find yourself automatically pacified, calmed down for Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent because, this quote from Bhagavan is no Brahma Vidya. It is the highest teaching anybody can receive.

And finally, Geeta, there is no coming to consciousness without pain. Thanks to all the sufferings, it is only because of the grace of our sufferings, that we get closer and closer to God! If we only have happiness, we will never know what God is, what Grace is, Who we really are, What is Atma, etc... because we would be only immersed in the momentary happiness.

Suffering is truly grace. It is a Blessing in disguise
and be sure, this suffering can cause no harm. Because, this suffering is the play of the Lord Almighty, how can he cause us any harm. He created the suffering, it is his lookout, his problem :)

Just trust the blessings of your Guru and Be! Sufferings are like the passing clouds, they pass very quickly before even we realise and take note, realise the temporariness of suffering and pains and focus on the teachings of your Guru.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Excerpts from Unmatta Panchashati
« on: November 23, 2011, 11:43:03 AM »
काले कंठस्फुरदसुकलालेशसत्तावलोकव्यग्रोदग्रव्यसनिसकलस्रिग्धरूद्धोपकण्ठे ।
अन्तस्तोदैरवधिरहितामार्तिमापद्यमानेऽप्यंघ्रिद्वंन्द्वे तव निविशतामन्तरात्मन् ममात्मा ॥


kāle kaṇṭhasphuradasukalāleśasattāvaloka-
vyagrodagravyasanisakalasnigdharuddhopakaṇṭhe |
antastodairavadhirahitāmārtimāpadyamāne-
'pyaṁghridvandve tava niviśatāmantarātman mamātmā || 38 ||

May my mind, O Lord that art the inner Self, be fixed  on thy pair of feet, even at the moment when I shall be oppressed by innumerable internal pangs, when all my kith and kin will crowd around me with uncontrollable sorrow, anxious to see whether the slightest trace of breath still throbs in my throat!

(Appaiah Dishitar)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Know About Nachiketa
« on: November 23, 2011, 11:23:10 AM »
Nachiketa episode - from the movie "Sri Adi Shankaracharya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOovw730U7Q&feature=related

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Problems
« on: November 23, 2011, 10:32:55 AM »
Problems need not be solved, problems have to be dropped. Because, in reality, there are no problems.

Two persons Ram and Rahim, who were travelling, decide to take a break on the way under a tree. Rahim said to Ram, first let me sleep for some time while you remain awake to take care of our belongings and then, I will remain awake while you sleep so that I can have an eye on our luggage.

Rahim goes into sleep immediately. He has a dream where, he sees a thief break into his house and break open his locker and steals all his jewelry and huge cash, and seeing this, Rahim is shocked and begins to shout "Thief, Thief"  The thief, having bundled all the jewelry and cash in bag and flees and also hits Rahim a nice two blows.

Ram who was awake all through, sees Rahim shout "Thief, Thief, somebody please help" from sleep.

Now, Ram who is awake, would he run somewhere to catch the thief as mentioned by Rahim or would he wake him up from sleep? Would he not wake him from sleep? and upon waking, Rahim realises that it was all only a dream. There was no thief, no jewelry, no money.

In the same way. When he was waken up at that very moment, the dream ended. That "awakening" is what is called "GRACE" To get this Grace, Krupai, we need a Guru, an Acharya. It becomes a necessity. This awakening cannot happen from an ordinary center, but only from a one who has that "Anubhuti" just like how one Light can only light another light.

Salutations to

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General topics / Worldly life
« on: November 23, 2011, 09:14:16 AM »
Just as the goat's beard wanders and wags for nothing, people roam about merrily but in vain, performing activities for the fulfilment of their worldly desires, while despising the disciplines that lead to eternal moksha in the self. Ah, what a pitiable spectacle is the condition of these worldly people.

(Guru Vachaka Kovai, 71)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Ramana on Cannabis?
« on: November 22, 2011, 11:03:24 AM »
Friends, I have a correction to make, the work which was written by Sri Appaish Dishikar upon consuming the poisonous leaves  was Unmatta-panchasati and not Unmatta Panchakam. error is regretted. It is also popularly known as Atmaarpana Stuti!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Udai,

As contemplated about this in the topic of boredom - http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=6729.msg23773#msg23773

The main reason why sleep takes over is because of boredom. The Mind realises or is able to see that the Self is nothing new or something that is to be found new. All the adventure of going deep in the realms of the 'I' ends after some discernment. It is evident to the enquirer that it, itself is the searched. So it is bored as it no more has a job to do - "think" Its job is under threat. Hence, it is where boredom takes over.

The other problem we face along with sleep is after some time of enquiry, we are unable to continue, if we don't sleep, we either go out, talk with somebody or have some snacks, or go for a walk or call somebody, etc... basically, we need a break! The necessity for a break itself is the basic problem. If none of the activities are interesting then the enquirer (mind) resorts to sleep.

On recognition, on this discernment, the best way is that we have to just sit with boredom, its not even necessary to to enquiry from here. Just sit, without allowing the boredom take over. Sit with boredom and bore even the boredom.

This is victory over sloth! We have to face it!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Women
« on: November 22, 2011, 09:20:51 AM »
Dear Jyoti,

As Subramanian Sir said, Bhagavan was neither liberal nor conservative. We surely are incapable to fit Him into our dictionary. Surely, he never saw anybody in their physical form, he saw everybody as himself. There was no gender to him at all.

If we still have to say, we can say, he treated both the men and the women alike with tenderness as if we are all his small kids. He is Mathru Swarupa for his compassion and grace and pithru swarupa for he always gave Jnana like that of cow giving its milk to its calf, which her udder is ever filled.

He was both AmmaiAppan (Mother-Father) together. He is that inexplicable!

Adi Shankara sang -

Aham na amaro naiva marthyo na daithyo,
Na Gandharva Yaksha, pisacha prabhedha,
Pumanniva na sthree naiva shanda,
Prakrushta prakasa swaroopa Shivoham.

I am neither immortal nor mortal or Asura,
I am neither Gandarwa nor Yaksha nor ghost nor omens,
I am neither man, nor woman nor eunuch,
I am by nature, Shiva the effulgent entity.


Also, the great thing about Bhagavan is that he kept telling everybody that they are also Himself too, that we too are neither man or woman or this body and that we too are the same Shivoham.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Women
« on: November 21, 2011, 05:46:24 PM »
तस्माद् एताः सदा पूज्या भुषण​-अच्चादन​-अशनैः ।
भूतिकामैर् नरैर् नित्यं सत्करेषु उत्सवेषु च ॥


Hence men who seek (their own) welfare, should always honour women on holidays and festivals with (gifts of) ornaments, clothes, and (dainty) food.

Salutations to

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