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General topics / Valmiki
« on: December 01, 2011, 09:47:06 AM »
Those people who are really Dheena - Poor of all the virtuousness, who are really Daridra - poverty of virtuousness, tread a wrong path out of ignorance, they scale great heights in wrongful ways. However, the virtues ones, are careful and while they make their life, they are very cautious every moment and take every steps very slowly and cautiously! Therefore, the Dheena Daridra people would have scaled great heights by force of ego.

Bhagavan's grace is equal for both. When Bhagavan decides to pull His Prey, when he throws his rope of death, The Dheena Daridra people fall from the top to the bottom directly and reach His feet at just one go! Such is the grace of Bhagavan. We have seen the stories of Arunagirinathar, who lead such bad life, in just a flash of a moment, Bhagavan pulled him down to the source and he realised. Even the normal people who keep thinking God all the time are unable to drop their ego, but Such Dheena Daridra people drop off all their bad qualities in just a falsh! Valmiki is another beautiful story, Let us see how Bhagavan's Leela played games with Him :)


It is said that he was born of Brahmin parents, who abandoned him in the forest, at birth. He was found and brought up by a hunter and thus became a hunter and a robber by profession. He was known as Ratnakar. He was a wild and savage man and knew nothing of culture or civilisation. All those who went into the forest, had to go in fear of their lives, for he was known to be ruthless. He lived with his wife and brood of children in the depths of the forest and had never gone near a town.

(Note: That He was a Brahmin by birth, does not mean Caste, but it means, that everybody is realised and is from the same source, but due to our forgetfulness, we cease from being a "Brahman" due to Avidya or Ignorance)

One day he saw a man approaching him. With the ferocity of a wild animal, he pounced on him with a view to kill and rob him of his money. He was surprised to find that the man did not show any signs of fear but stood absolutely still. He was quite intrigued by this strange behaviour. He had only seen two types of animals before, in his life – those who turned tail and ran away as soon as they saw him and those who bared their teeth and pounced on him. It was the first time that he saw a creature who looked at him fearlessly, with eyes filled with compassion. Love and compassion were emotions to which he was an utter stranger, and for a minute he faltered in his tracks, his upraised arm holding a brutal knife freezing in the air.

Slowly he brought the hand down and asked the man, “Who are you, who shows no signs of fear? Everyone I know runs away as soon as they see me and I catch them easily. Why don’t you run”?

“I am Narada, the heavenly sage and I do not run because I am not afraid of you”.

“Why aren’t you afraid of me”? asked the hunter. “Don’t you know that I can kill you”?

“Then, why didn’t you kill me”? asked the sage curiously. “Because I saw something in your eyes which is bothering me”. “What did you see”?

“I don’t know. I’ve never seen it before in any other eyes but it’s very pleasant”.

“I’ll tell you”, said the sage. “What you saw was love and compassion”.

“Why should you feel love for me”? asked the savage, surprised, for he had never seen that look before, not even in the eyes of his wife. “Because I love everybody and everything”. “Why should you do that”? asked Ratnakar.

“Because everything and everyone is the form of that Supreme Being whom I worship. Now let me ask you, something”, said the sage, “don’t you know that by killing all these creatures and people, you are incurring great sin”?

“Yes, I suppose I know it”, said the hunter doubtfully. “Then why do you do it”? asked the sage. “Because I have to support my family”, said the hunter.

“Will they share at least part of the sin which will accrue to you by these acts”? questioned the sage. “I am sure they will”, said the hunter.

“Why don’t you go and ask them”? asked Narada, “and I’ll wait for you till you come”.

The hunter ran back and asked his wife and children if they would take their share of his sins as they were taking more than their fair share of ill-gotten goods. They were quite surprised at this question and asked him what he meant by this. He explained to them that since he was committing so many crimes for their sake, it was only fair that they should also share his sins. They were quite horrified by this request.

The woman said that it was the duty of a husband to look after his wife and the children said that it was the duty of a father to look after his progeny. As for his sins, naturally they were the outcome of his own acts and he would have to bear the consequences himself. The hunter did not wait to hear any more. He ran back to the sage who was quite sure of his return and was waiting with a smile on his lips. “Well, what did they say”? he asked. “Were they not eager to share your sins, as they were eager to share your spoils”?

Ratnakar hung his head and admitted that no one was willing to share his burdens. Then Narada gave him a discourse on the law of karma and told him that he alone would have to bear the consequences of his actions. To commit sinful acts for the sake of another was quite foolish.

The hunter looked lost and unhappy and asked the sage, “Now what should I do”?

“Meditate on the Supreme Being”, he said, “only then will you be able to attain salvation. He alone is your relation. He alone your friend. I will give you a mantra by using which, you will be able to do tapas”, “I am your servant, please guide me”, said the hunter and knelt before the celestial sage.

Narada whispered the glorious mantra “Rama” into his right ear but the poor savage was so untutored that he was unable to repeat it. Then Narada asked, “Can you repeat the word, “mara” “Of course, I can”, he said, since the word “mara” means “tree” and that was a thing he was always cutting down.

So Narada blessed him and told him how to sit in a meditation pose and to repeat the word constantly. The word “mara” when repeated fast becomes “Rama” and thus without knowing, the hunter started repeating the word “Rama” instead of “mara”. Due to his past samskaras, he went into deep meditation for many years, till he was covered by a hillock of mud brought by ants.

Many years later, Narada returned and found the ant-hill in the exact place where he had left the hunter. He broke open the mud cage and woke up the person seated within.

“Arise 0 sage”! he said. “Do you remember who you are”? “Yes, Your Holiness”, he answered, “I am the poor hunter, whom you took pity on and advised to repeat the glorious mantra, “Rama”. “Now you are no longer a hunter but a sage and from now on you will be known as Valmiki since you have emerged from this ant-hill or “valmeekam’

(internet sources)

Salutation to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« on: November 30, 2011, 07:57:52 PM »
Even though all Gurus may prescribe different Sadhana for each one, They all point out to the same Source!

Electric current is one and the same for all - be it for Bulbs, Fans, etc...

One may eat carrots and the other may eat brinjal. Both derive the same energy though vegetables are different.

Ice Cream Flavours may be different, but the Sweetness is one and the same.

Atma Vichara is not differnet from Bhakti, Bhajan, etc... it is only the Mind that differentiates!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Beautiful Ramana...

This is simple & profound, any lay man can understand, with off-course, proper discernment of Who/What "Son" is and Who/What "Father" is

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Wh does not every Jnani teach Atma Vichara?
« on: November 30, 2011, 06:26:03 PM »
Atma Vichara is not exclusive. It in inclusive in every Sadhana. Be it Bhakti, Jnana, Karma, Raja Yogas.

One is not different from the other.

One may do a Japam and without even knowing any thing about Atma Vichara, it would still be going on and it need not be the way we understand the same Atma Vichara. One may be doing Yogasanas, and he may not know any thing about Atma Vichara, but still, Atma Vichara goes on and it need not be the same was as we know it to be.

Atma Vichara is not a particular method just as we devotees know it to be. It is like already part of every Sadhana.

Ultimately, what is Atma Vichara, it is a way, a sadhana (Vichara) by which you realise the Truth.

The goal of all Sadhana is one and the same!

The Point of the Hill is just one, even though which ever way you may chose to climb the hill, be it north, east, west or south, which ever way, you travel, you travel upwards and the destination is one and the same!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Two mistakes one can make along the road to truth
« on: November 30, 2011, 04:10:12 PM »
what will happen to those not going all the way?

Are those eternally getting blocked somewhere?  Realisation is very very very rare.  Seeing this,  one can safely assume,  eternal non realisation is the only eternity for fickle minded people??

Krishnan :) for such persons, Bhagavan Himself pulls them! there can be nobody who stays back... nobody is left back in lurch!

:) There is no escape to the wrath (Blessings) of God

The love of the mother towards her weakest child is maximum...

That is why He is called Dheena Bandhu - He is the friend of the Poor

Poor, here refers to not material, but poverty in faith, shraddha and Patience, He is close to those who lack vairagyam, close to those who are afflicted!


Daridra Narayana truly is the God of not untouchables, shudras or Dalits but Daridra truly means He who lacks faith and devotion and is afflicted by various vasanas. He is much Closer to them !

Life of Arunagirinathar is the classic example for this! There is not an iota of doubt here! Tamil Poet Kannadasan is another example!

There are many cases where the Atheists have attained God very quickly! Giant leap of faith! All because of Bhagavan's grace!

Vaalmiki is another greatest example for this. I'll share this store at leisure. Its really very nice!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Upadesa Saram, Mukthatha Thrayam, Arunachala Pancha Rathnam are the only works directly composed by Bhagavan in Sanskrit. In tamil, he composed Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai, Thai Taapamartral, and few more, Subramanian Sir would be able to shed more light on Bhagavan's works exclusively composed by Him.

There are however, many works in Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam composed by his inspiration and guidance by devotees.

Saluations to Bhagavan

Dear arcsekar,

You shared your positive effort and views, and i shared my views & Together it results in a positive effort and this only leads to elevation, one cannot clap his hands with only one hand, we need two hands to clap! In the large context, there is no negative effort anywhere or any condemnation of any efforts or any self deception or not just a mere harping as you say!

How can one know, if any body is is self deception? How does one know if something is condemned? it is ones own mind in the end! That mind which concludes this or that, or this or that is self deception, or this or that  is condemnation, it is ones own mind, that needs to be enquired upon!

We are all in the journey, and everybody in this journey are travelling up to the summit, which ever way one goes to the goal - summit, there is only one way that is upwards and the destination is one and the same!

Every Sadhaka is in constant effort and is constantly aspiring to elevate oneself. That milestones need not be a specific pattern. The only milestone is the the effacement of ego!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear arcsekar,

Read any chapter, any verse, but, even without the desire to attain Samadhi, Just read, for the sake of Self. Only then, the reading becomes fruitful. Because, unconsciously, the mind begins to build ideas on Samadhi. When we see very carefully and discern, there is really no attainment to Samadhi, for we are already that, there is really no attainment here.

It is basically unwrapping, loosening, dropping, freeing oneself. Samadhi is not an Avastha or a state, Only that which is constant, which is ever, present even now, that is Samadhi. Those experiences or Avasthas, or states that may result out of reading some verses is temporary, it is a state, avastha, therefore, read, just without any aim!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 03:24:20 PM »
पापान्धकारार्क परम्पराभ्यां
तापत्रयाहीन्द्रखगेश्वराभ्यां ।
नमो नमः श्रीगुरुपादुकाभ्यां ॥

Paapaandhakaaraarka Paramparaabhyaam
namo namah shri Guru Paadukaabhyaam

(Guru Paduka Stothram, HH Sri Narasimha Bharathi Swamigal, Sringeri)

Thou are the Sun smashing all the illusions of sins, which are like garuda birds in front of the serpents of the three pains of Samsara; and which are like the terrific fire that dries away the ocean of jadata or insentience. My prostrations to the holy sandals of my Guru.

Salutations to Bhagavan

:) yes true, Self itself is Arunachala

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 01:04:48 PM »
ब्रह्मानन्दं परमसुखदं केवलं ज्ञानमूर्तिं
द्वन्द्वातीतं गगनसदृशं तत्त्वमस्यादिलक्ष्यम् ।
एकं नित्यं विमलमचलं सर्वधीसाक्षिभूतं
भावातीतं त्रिगुणरहितं सद्गुरुं तं नमामि ॥

Brahmanandam parama sukhadam kevalam jnanamurtim
dvandvaateetam gagana sadrusam  tatvamasyadi lakshyam
ekam nityam vimala machalam sarvadheesaakshibuutam
bhaavaateetam triguna rahitam  sadgurum tam namaami.

I salute to that Sadguru who is the source of eternal bliss,
supreme happiness, who truly only Knowledge Mass,
who  is beyond the dualities, who is  infinite,
whose attention is always on Self (Ekagram in Atma Nishta), who is unique,
eternal,  pure, steady, and who sees with the eyes of wisdom
who is beyond thoughts and beyond  three gunas

Salutations to Bhagavan
Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:59:13 AM »
एक एवद्वितीयोऽहं गुरुवाक्येन निश्चितः ।
एवमभ्यास्ता नित्यं न सेव्यं वै वनान्तरम् ॥

अभ्यासान्निमिषणैव समाधिमधि गच्छति ।
आजन्मजनितं पापं तत्क्षणादेव नश्यति ॥

eka evadvitiyoham guruvaakyena nishchitah
evamabhyaastaa nityam na sevyam vai vanaantaram

abhyaasannimishanaiva samaadhimadhi gachchati
aajanmajanitam paapam tatkshanaadeva nashyati

On the advice of the Guru, if one meditates with firm determination on
the principle of “I am one without duality” need not resort to forest for
penances, and the constant practice of the above principle brings
about samadhi and his sins are burnt instantaneously.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:49:24 AM »
गुकारं च गुणातीतं रुकारं रुपवर्जितम् ।
गुणातीतमरूपं च यो दद्यात् स गुरुः स्मृतः ॥

Gukaaram cha Gunaatitam rukaaram Rupavarjitam
Gunaatitamarupam cha yo dadyaat sa guruh smrutah

The syllable “Gu” "गु" is that which transcends all attributes, and the
syllable “Ru” "रु" is that which is without form.

The Guru गुरु is said to be that formless light of knowledge which bestows the state that is beyond attributes (and form).

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:43:14 AM »
गुकारः प्रथमो वर्णो मायादि गुणभासकः ।
रुकारोऽस्ति परं ब्रह्म मायाभ्रान्तिविमोचकम् ॥

Gukaarah Prathamo Varno maayaadi gunbhaasakah
rukaarosti param brahma maayaabhraantivimochakam

The first syllable “Gu” "गु" represents the principles such as maya and the
second syllable “Ru” "रु" the supreme knowledge that destroys the illusions of maya.

“Guru” गुरु is that light, in whose presence, darkness never exists.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: GURU
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:18:25 AM »
गुकारश्चान्धकारस्तु रुकारस्तन्निरोधकृत् ।
अन्धकारविनाशित्वात् गुरुरित्यभिधीयते ॥

Gukaarashchandhakaarastu Rukaarastannirodhakrut
Andhakaaravinaashitvaat Gururityabhidhiyate

“Gu” "गु" Kara means the darkness and

“Ru” "रु" Kara means the remover of the darkness.

On account of the power of removing darkness, the teacher is known by the significant name “Guru” गुरु


Therefore, that which removes the darkness, becomes the Guru automatically. The Guru is that pure "Knowledge" not the physical form.

The Knowledge Mass is the Guru.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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