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Dear Subramanian Sir,

What Jesus said from Mount of Sinai is the same as what Sri Bhagavan said
from Arunachala or what Rishis of India said from the Himalayas.

Hinduism never converted people of other faith into Hinduism. That is why it is called Sanatana Dharma, an all embracing faith, ancient
and primordial. In fact Buddha is considered  as an avatara of Narayana in Srimad Bhagavatam.

All fissures between religions are by lower rung people, whose ego is not subsided.

precisely, that is the real problem. These are the problems created by "followers" That is the same issue with all religions including ours!

Sir, even in the name of Sanathana Dharma, there are many new modern day Gurus who lure people to them. I feel, this is not any different from Christians converting Hindus!

I felt it most appropriate to say that Sanathana Dharma never converted people of other faith over saying Hinduism never converted people of other faith. As the term Hindusim is relatively new, just coined by Britishers over last 2 centuries perhaps! And What we call Hindusim is quite different from the true spirit of Sanathana Dharma.

Especially, today, there is no relevance in calling Hinduism as Sanathana Dharma. It is mostly referred as Hinduism, which is no different from Christianity, Islam! We can't refer Hindu's as Sanathana Dharma anymore!

In the name of Allah, Jesus and Krishna, Ramana Maharshi, Adi Shankara, Ramakrishna, Chinmayananda and many of other religions are coming up their own TV channels, all these are dangerous precedents! A huge business is building over! and Allah, Jesus and Krishna and others are surely not responsible for that!

The evil effects of Kali Yuga is already predicted in Srimad Bhagavatam http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/?p=11939

The truth is one and the same irrespective of the ways. In fact, those who are able to see this, are in a way, a rebellion to their own religions! a deeply spiritual persons is dangerous to the society, which is full of ideas!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Bulleh Shah - Sufi - Advaitin
« on: December 15, 2011, 05:13:15 PM »
Bulleh Shah (1680–1757) was a Punjabi Sufi poet, a humanist and philosopher. Bulleh Shah is believed to have been born in 1680, in the small village of Uch, Bahawalpur, Punjab, in present day Pakistan. His father, Shah Muhammad Darwaish, was a teacher and preacher in a village mosque. Little is known about Bulleh Shah's ancestry except that some of his forebears were migrants from Uzbekistan and that his family claimed direct descent from the prophet Muhammad.

When he was six months old, his parents relocated to Malakwal. His father later got a job in Pandoke, about 50 miles southeast of Kasur. Bulleh Shah received his early schooling in Pandoke and moved to Kasur for higher education. He also received education from Maulana Mohiyuddin. His spiritual teacher was the Qadiri Sufi Shah Inayat Qadiri, who was a member of the Arain tribe of Lahore.

Bulleh Shah practiced the Sufi tradition of Punjabi poetry established by poets like Shah Hussain (1538–1599), Sultan Bahu (1629–1691), and Shah Sharaf (1640–1724).

Bulleh Shah's time was marked with communal strife between Muslims and Sikhs. But in that age Baba Bulleh Shah was a beacon of hope and peace for the citizens of Punjab. While Bulleh Shah was in Pandoke, Muslims killed a young Sikh man who was riding through their village in retaliation for murder of some Muslims by Sikhs. Baba Bulleh Shah denounced the murder of an innocent Sikh and was censured by the mullas and muftis of Pandoke. Bulleh Shah maintained that violence was not the answer to violence. Bulleh Shah also hailed the ninth Sikh Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur as a Ghazi, or "religious warrior", which caused controversy among Muslims of that time.

Here is one of his most famous songs -

Bulla ki jaana main kaun
Bulla ki jaana main kaun

Na main moman vich maseetan
Na main vich kufar dian reetan
Na main pakan vich paleetan
Na main andar bed kitaban
Na main rehnda phaang sharaban
Na main rehnda mast kharaban
Na main shadi na ghamnaki
Na main vich paleetan pakeen
Na main aaabi na main khaki
Na main aatish na main paun

Bulla ki jaana main kaun

Na main arabi na lahori
Na main hindi shehar Nagaori
Na hindu na turk pashauri
Na main bhet mazhab de paya
Na main aadam hawwa jaya
Na koi apna naam dharaya
Avval aakhar aap nu jana
Na koi dooja hor pacchana
Mai ton na koi hor syana
Bulle shah kharha hai kaun

Bulla ki jaana main kaun
Bulla ki jaana main kaun

Na main moosa na pharoah
Na main aatish na main paun
Na main rahnda vich Nadaun
Bulle shah kharha hai kaun

Bulla ki jaana main kaun
Bulla ki jaana main kaun
Bulla! I know not who I am
Bulla! I know not who I am

Nor am I the believer in mosque
Nor am I in the rituals of the infidel
Nor am I the pure in the impure
Nor am I inherent in the Vedas
Nor am I present in intoxicants
Nor am I lost nor the corrupt
Nor am I union nor grief
Nor am I intrinsic in the pure/impure
Nor am I of the water nor of the land
Nor am I fire nor air

Bulla! I know not what I am

Nor am I Arabic nor from Lahore
Nor am I the Indian City of Nagaur
Nor a Hindu nor a Peshawri turk
Nor did I create the difference of faith
Nor did I create adam-eve
Nor did I name myself
Beginning or end I know just the self
Do not acknowledge duality
There’s none wiser than I
Who is this Bulla Shah

Bulla! I know not who I am
Bulla! I know not who I am

Nor am I Moses nor Pharoah
Nor am I fire nor wind
I do not stay in Nadaun (city of innocents)
Bullashah, who is this man standing?

Bulla! I know not who I am
Bulla! I know not who I am

(Source: Wikipedia & other internet sources)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Gems from Vaasishtam
« on: December 12, 2011, 07:41:39 PM »
एकत्वं सर्वशब्दार्थ एकशब्दार्थ् आत्मनः ।
आत्मापि च न सन्नासद्रतो यस्याशु तस्य तत् ॥


The meaning of the word "All" is unity (in its collective sense), and the meaning of the word "One" is the unity of the soul; as in the phrase "All is one" it is meant to say that the whole universe is collectively but one soul. (The soul also is neither a positive entity, nor a negative non-entity, but it is as it is known in the spirit, of the form if ineffable light and delight)

त्रैलोक्यचेतसामन्तरालोको यः प्रकाशकः ।
अनुभूतिमुपारूढः सोऽहमात्मेति निश्चयः ॥


He who shines as light within the minds of all persons, and dwells in the inwards consciousness or percipience of every being, is no other than the very soul that dwells within myself also.

Moral: Guru Vasishta very clearly elucidates that when we use the word "All", it includes everything in its unison as just the One. One is All. That diversity which we see is One as a whole. It is very obvious that when the Sage uses the word All, it is inferred that the perception of difference is evident to a Sadhaka. But the Guru says that that all the differences which are perceived together as All is One. Guru Vasishta also says that it is the same light that illumines in all the minds of all persons which we see. That light which shines from within is the heart. It is the Spiritual Heart as Bhagavan has said. That luminosity, which shines as "I I" continuously.

The variety and differences perceived is One as it is. The Self is All, All is Self.


Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Gems from Vaasishtam
« on: December 12, 2011, 07:14:48 PM »
सर्वभूतस्थमात्मानं सर्वभूतानि चात्मनि ।
पश्य त्वं योगयुक्तात्मा सर्वत्र समदर्शनः ॥


View in yourself the soul of all beings ad those
beings themselves; think your own self or soul
as the micros of the great universe, and tolerant
and broad sighted in your practice of Yoga.

सर्वभूतस्थमात्मानं भजत्येकत्वमात्मनः ।
सर्वथा वर्थमानोऽपि न स भूयोऽभिजायते ॥


He who worships the universal soul that resides in
all beings, as the one self-same and undivided spirit;
is released from the doom of repeated births,
whether he leads a secular or holy life in this world.

Moral: The verses are quite self explanatory. Having looked in to the nature of the Self, going by the holy words of the Guru, it is clear that the Self is all pervading and indivisible and not-two. That Self is only One. Having seen and investigated into this uniqueness of Self. Guru Vasishta tells to us as we have this doubt that agreed that the Self only is, and, there is no dualities. This seems good to hear and understand, but in relative world, I see difference, I see the world and people, how are we to reconcile with this? Guru says, View ourselves in everybody. View ourselves as the super soul in the entire expanse of the universe. Everything, movable immovable, animate and inanimate things as ourselves. And practicing this is Yoga He says. And, this practice itself would liberate us from the relative difference that we continue to perceive the world and dualities.


It is to be noted that Sage Vasishta has used the word समदर्शनः Sama Darshi - means one who sees everything in the same light or luminosity of Self with pure discernment.

Salutations to Bhagavan


3680
the truth is -

I am never going to die.

I am only in your mind! So the question directly heads to "Who am I" and "Who is Nagaraj"

Salutations to Bhagavan

3681
This is said to an ajnani. For a True Jnani, this does not apply! By default a true jnani cannot show advaita or follow advaita...

There is a rick you see, that after getting some glimpses, there is a chance that, that knowledge could go over the seekers head and may fall down. Hence Sages meant this for him!

Salutations to Bhagavan

3682
Dear Ramana,

Firstly, person x is never going to know his death, or can the person x even experience death as death isn't really.

it is only you who will witness the death of person x and not person x

Secondly, whether or not we realise the truth of snake or not in the snake-rope phenomenon, the rope remains, irrespective of our ignorance and our belief that it was a snake!

This question arises because of the notion that there is death. Where is death?

What is Birth and Death really. What dies and takes birth are only thoughts, please read this at leisure http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=2701.msg6219#msg6219

so the question is like asking how did the barren woman's child die and whether that child realise or not realise.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: JnAna ppAna - Poontanam Nambootiri
« on: December 10, 2011, 12:13:51 PM »
Dear Subramanian Sir, such beautiful Innocence in Bhakti, simply pure and pristine, brings so much bliss from within! Even these days, I see many relatives and including my mother, since they all don't have sanskrit background, they pronounce sanskritised words as tamil and it surely is beautiful in its own way! beautiful than even when we see sanskrit educated persons take that extra caution to pronounce properly.

one common example is Like Padmanaabha,  is pronounced as Batmanaabha...  :)

There is beauty in it as it is!

I had visited the Vadakkanathan Temple some years back and it is still so fresh in my memory.  :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

3684
  • Gopala - Go (Cow) Pala (Palaka) caretaker or Cowherd
  • Vasudeva - Vasu (indwelling) Deva (God almighty)
  • Govinda - Giving the nectar of satisfaction to the senses. When the Asuras and Devas were churning the ocean, and were perplexed as to who would hold the huge Mandara mountain which they decided to use for churning the ocean with the help of Vasuki snake. When Vishnu appeared as Kurma Avatara as a tortoise and carried the the Mandara mountain upon himself, the Devas and Asuras praised with ecstasy "Govinda, Govinda"
  • Hrishikesha - Hreeshi = Hrishk (Senses) Eesha (Lord) Lord of Senses

Leela is "Divine Play"

I dont get what you meant by  "garu" in what context is it used!

friends, do correct me if i may be wrong.

Salutations to Bhagavan

3685
General topics / Tripple Filter Test
« on: December 10, 2011, 11:37:10 AM »
Triple Test

In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem. One day an acquaintanec met Socratus and said, "Do you know what I just heard about your friend?"

"Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I would like you to pass a little test. It is called the
Tripple Filter Test."

"Tripple Filter?'

"That is right," Socrates continued, "Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you are going to say. That is whay I call it the tripple filter test."

"The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is True?"

"No," the man said, "Actually I just heard about it and..."

"All right," said Socrates. "So, you do not really know if it is true or not."

"Now Let us try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you are not certain it is true."

"You may still pass the test though, because there is one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really..."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true, nor good nor even useful, why tell me at all?"

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: JnAna ppAna - Poontanam Nambootiri
« on: December 10, 2011, 10:05:11 AM »
Here is the lyrics and meaning of the song:

kaNDu kaNDaNN irikkuM janaNNaLe-
kkaNDilennu varuttunnatuM bhavAn (10)
raNDu nAlu dinaM koNDoruttane
taNDiletti naTattunnatuM bhavAn (12)
mALika mukaLERiya mannanTe
tOLil mARAppaNNAkkunnatum bhavAN (14)
kRSNa kRSNA mukundA janArdanA
kRSNa govinda nArAyaNA harE (149)

eNNiyeNNi kurayunnitAyussuM
maNDi maNDi kkarErunnu mohavuM (258)
ittamOrOnnu cinticcirikkavE
cattu pokunnu pAvaM shiva shiva (270)
kRSNa kRSNA mukundA janArdanA
kRSNa govinda nArAyaNA harE (149)

kUTiyallA piRakkunna nerattuM
kUTiyallA marikkunna nerattum (290)
madhyEyiNNane kANunna nerattu
matsarikkunnatendinu nAm vRthA (292)
kRSNa kRSNA mukundA janArdanA
kRSNa govinda nArAyaNA harE (149)

Meaning:

People whom we see every day, God makes them disappear one day.

In two or four days, God changes the detiny of a man, and puts him from palace to prison.

A King who is rich and arrogant today, God makes him bear heavy burden the next day!

While you count, your life gets shorter and shorter in a fast pace and we die one day.

We were never were together while we were born, and we will never be together while we die. Then why possess jealosy, enimity, etc and waste your life?
(Source: Wikipedia, karnatik.com)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / JnAna ppAna - Poontanam Nambootiri
« on: December 10, 2011, 10:03:43 AM »
Today, I just happened to remember this very famous carnatic song, sung by Smt MS Subbulakshmi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJ07uTCFt4

and this reminded me a soulful story behind Poonthanam which was told to me some time back by my uncle, and I wished to share it with you all.

Poonthanam (1547-1640AD) was a famous devotee of Guruvayurappan, who lived in Keezhattoor in (Malappuram district), Kerala, India. He was a famous devotee of Lord Krishna (Guruvayurappan). He is remembered for his masterpiece, Jnanappana which means 'the song of wisdom' in Malayalam. Poonthanam was the family name, his personal name is not known.


Poonthanam was born into a Namboodiri Brahmin family. He married at 20, but for a long time, they had no children. He began to propitiate the Lord of Guruvayur and a son was born. He called for a celebration and everybody known was invited, but the child died an hour before the ceremony. Grief-stricken Poonthanam sought refuge at Guruvayur and started praying with the puranic story of Kumaraharanam. He considered Lord Krishna as his son and achieved enlightenement. In his work he writes: "While little Krishna is dancing in our hearts, do we need little ones of our own?" Poonthanam spent the rest of his life reading the Bhagavatham and singing the Lord's glories in simple Malayalam. His magnum opus, Njanappana, was composed during this period.

He is contemporary of Melpathur Narayana Bhattathiri, another famous poet associated with Guruvayur. Lord Guruvaayoorappan has appreciated Poonthanam's bhakthi various times directly and it is believed that he himself came down to earth and taken Poonthanam personally to Vaikuntam.

Meppathur was a Sanskrit scholar (as can be seen from his Narayaneeyam slOkams), but Poonthanam was not that good at Sanskrit. When Poonthanam composed some Malayalam work, and asked Meppatthur Bhattathiri to read and correct it, Meppathur (due to his pride) declined, saying it was not his job to read a trivial Malayalam work, since he was good at Sanskrit. Poonthanam was natuarally upset about this. That night, Lord Guruvayurappan appeared in Mepppathur Bhattathiri's dream and uttered:

I like the "bhakti" in Poonthanam's work, rather than the "vibhakti" (scholarly sanskrit) in your work.

Meppathur felt sorry, and was ashamed at his silly act. He begged Poonthanam to forgive him, and later they became close associates. Many poetical works of Poonthanam Nambuthiri are available, all in simple Malayalam, which even a child can understand.

JnAna ppAna is considered as Bhagavad Gita of Malayalam.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Jiva
« on: December 10, 2011, 02:31:13 AM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

These verses are verily like thunderbolt! It shows how subtly, ignorance creates barriers that don't exists, it creates some riddles and a jigsaw puzzle that don't exist and its like trying to come out of some non existing maze, which we are caught in, and we are trying, trying, trying... to search our way out of this maze!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Jiva
« on: December 08, 2011, 07:15:47 PM »
Subramanian Sir,

it just occurred to me that what ever we may be talking about Self, Atman, Advaitam, etc... is primarily because of Sri Gaudapadacharya's Karika mainly!

The revelations of Sri Gaudapadacharya is perhaps one of the greatest treatise on "REALITY" irrespective of any religious flavour or religion or even did not side towards some system of faith!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Today is Maha Deepam.
« on: December 08, 2011, 06:46:47 PM »
Glad to hear Subramanian Sir

Great are His Leelas :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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