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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 25, 2012, 09:21:15 AM »
Dear Ramana, friends,

Unknowingly we delve in either past or future only and put all our attention only on them.

One way is, as and when one is presented with any of the above, viz., past or future, just segregate it as, this is past, it has already occurred, let me not worry about it, or, this is something about future, let me not worry about it. This way, one remains aware and does not delve in past or future.

Thoughts always present either past or future alone. Thought are incapable of presenting to you the present. Remember this as a golden rule.


Ramana, all the above discussions yesterday, apart, this approach holds good and is best and simple, for the queries you had raised.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 25, 2012, 12:31:13 AM »
That they cry or get angry, only we say! It is only we, who decide who a jnani is! it is only we, who decide that a jnani sees self everywhere. Even if jnani answers something, it is again we, who understand what jnanis says by our own understanding.

It is therefore, good to stop looking at some external jnani and look within. What we see of jnani is also made by us. It is we who decide who a jnani is. is it not? in the end?

Or why not we ask like this? if jnani sees jnani everywhere, where is a need to even pass on some upadesa to anybody? aren't everybody a jnani?

The point is to realise that after some point, the jnani too is external and so long we see a jnani different from ourselves, it is bound to cause confusion. Such an external Jnani is as unreal as dream.

Therefore wake up, ask again, where were these jnanis in sleep, all the ideas of a jnani too are dream, unreal. The Jnani you are seeing is only a dream.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 25, 2012, 12:11:29 AM »
Dear Ramana,

After writing you at large, I knew I had missed out something, I was in contemplation about the questions you had asked. It then struck me this -

Where are these questions when are are asleep? When you are in deep sleep, where are these agitations, feelings, thoughts, etc...

There is absolutely nothing in your sleep. When ever you gt any such questions, ask yourself, why I don't have any questions in deep sleep.

Therefore, keep reminding yourself often than all this is only dream, because, dreams appear real, but upon waking, you realise that it was only a dream.

All this is unreal. our questions, worry, query, are all only dream.

Bhagavan has said - There is no difference between the dream and the waking state except that the dream is short and the waking long. Both are the result of the mind. Our real state is beyond the waking, dream and sleep states, called turiya.

So keep reminding yourself, along with the previous discernments as well that all this is only dream.

When the ripples have calmed down, ie when the agitations of self is calmed down, then remain in the nature of your self, ie peace. In that calm state of yours, you will know all the agitations of yours were needless.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 24, 2012, 11:12:08 PM »
It is said that when Buddha was sitting silently, many wars were fought between various provinces here and there. When his disciples came and presented to him about the deaths of thousands of soldiers, he listened to the news in silence. Buddha surely empathized with them. A realised persons heart is thousands of times more tender than us.

Many of the devotees sarcastically spoke of Bhagavan that here is one yogi who is sitting in silence when thousands of people were dying for the country in freedom struggle.

Does not the Jnani know about all these? Does not the Jnani feel for the deaths? He does? But He does so with knowledge. Because he knows it all. All are Atma, the Soul.

Crying of feeling sorry, is not bad, Bhagavan cried at the death of Lakshmi the cow, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa cried very frequently.

But only difference is that they don't have enmity with the killers. They don't have any hate feelings on the killers too. Because they realise that the ignorant ones are killing only because of avidya. empathize with the aggrieved and sympathize with the sinners.

Because, we see killers and killed separately, we are constantly troubled by dualities. But for a Jnani there is only one soul. It is the same soul in the killed and the killer, so there is no difference. Know that He is a spirit. Him the sword cannot pierce; him the fire cannot burn; him the water cannot melt; him the air cannot dry. The Hindu believes that every soul is a circle whose circumference is nowhere, but whose center is located in the body, and that death means the change of this center from body to body.

Knowing this, properly all your agitations will be put to rest permanently. There will be no reason for any agitation. Whenever some instances occur, your thought will reflect your inner Self which is in poise with the above discernments.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:50:25 PM »
In your example, the thoughts conveyed or brought to your notice the emotions that is running within you. Now, if you felt that murderers deserve to be in jail, your thoughts just reflect what is within you. You are asking why you are not able to remain calm and that you don't like yourself wanting the murderers to be jailed, is it not?

It is absolutely very normal to have felt that the murderer has to be jailed. But, if this is affecting you, and you find yourself suffering from the thoughts of the murderer, remember what Krishna said to Arjuna? that nobody really dies, neither does one kill anybody or anybody dies. Before you can sort out this query of yours, it is good if you really contemplate on the Gita verse. Remember Jesus, when he was crucified, he forgave the crucifiers. How could he have? what  differently he has seen it?

The way to win over your emotions is simply looking and acknowledging your feelings. As and when the thoughts of high emotions come about, just empathize with the aggrieved, the more and more you empathize you are neutralizing your own emotions and your feelings subside, but instead, if one gets carried away by such high emotions, without any objectivity, you are bound to suffer. Further, trust the cosmic law, after some incident, there is no point in contemplating why it had to happen, therefore, come to terms that everybody has to die some day or the other, and understand that the murderer has only become a tool or instrument for the aggrieved persons death. Discern every aspect of your feelings in the full, do not get carried away by what you thoughts have to present to you. Remember thoughts are only information, it is only conveying your feelings in words. So sort out your own self like this.

Wait for the time to pass before you conclude anything. When the water is hot, you cant touch it, allow the water to cool and then you can touch it and drink it. So whenever you are carried away by high emotions, just allow yourself to relax, be conscious not to react or act blindly on what your thought are conveying to you. Just relax and then take your time off in solitude and sort out the matter. It should be clear once and for all. 

If once, if you properly sort out yourself properly, once, then the next time, you will find that you are not much disturbed by any such stray instances much. And, the next time, when you face such instances, you will find your thoughts just conveying your entire discernment to you as properly discerned as above and you will not be carried away by emotions, you will be at calm.

if you concentrate on some object, naturally you will be bored, because, it is a concentration without genuine motive, the body will not co operate, why would you want to concentrate on pencil and candle. But If the object is concentration, and not the object of concentration, then it should not be of much problem when pencil became a candle. Just take it as the same God in two different forms. First you concentrate on Jesus, then Jesus became Krishna. This will be easy, the more you discern that there is absolutely no difference between Pencil and Candle, Krishna, Jesus, Shiva, Bhagavan.

And, remember not to be harsh on yourself.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:08:39 PM »
Dear Ramana,

Just contemplate and see, whether ego is different from Self. Forget all about Self and Non Self, Ego and Self etc... there is only one self, be it pure or impure. There can be no two selves at any time.

Bhagavan has said about doubts -

"There is no use removing doubts. If we clear one doubt another arises, and there will be no end of doubts. All doubts will cease only when the doubter and his source have been found. Seek for the source of the doubter, and you will find that he is really non-existent. Doubter ceasing, doubts will cease."

Thoughts can never be controlled, only you can control yourself, by proper discernment. But, firstly, before even we look in to this, why and what do you want to control?

But Ramana, before you even proceed, you should enquire what is your entire motive? why do you want to control, what do you want to control? WHat kind of thoughts you want to dissolve and what thoughts you want to cultivate? what result you aspire to achieve by controlling your thoughts?

Again, get into the roots, what is it that you want really? then lets look in to the rest. what is really troubling you?

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Seek moderation in all
« on: February 24, 2012, 09:26:24 PM »
Dear Swayam,

Thoughts are not the ones to be checked, it is oneself, who is to be checked, and you got to know it through your thoughts. So look at the thoughts objectfully and not as something dangerous! Thought is helping you know yourself. Thoughts are open windows onto oneself.

Thoughts become action only if you will for it. Thoughts themselves don't become actions.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Thoughts
« on: February 24, 2012, 05:43:16 PM »
Thought is the only medium by which you get to know about your self. What is within, who you are, is exactly reflected by your thoughts. So therefore, thoughts are yourself, your own mirror, through which you get to know who you really are. Instead of treating thoughts as an enemy, see them as just post masters. Thoughts are letters sent to you by yourselves. Know who you are, what you really are. You may lie to others, but your thoughts cannot lie to you, your thoughts convey who you are as it is, it does not lie to you. We must be thankful to thoughts actually.

Know yourself properly, understand yourself properly through the mirror of your thoughts and blamming who we are on thoughts is ignorance. What did the poor thoughts do to you? It has just said about you as you are! Instead, recognise yourself and see how you can improve yourself.

It is mistake to blame our thoughts for our spirituality! The thoughts have no intentions to stop you from reaching Bhagavan or becomming realised.

When you are so pure, then thoughts will be as pure. Some where I have read -

How will it be when two mirrors are set face to face? what can you see in the mirror? what object will be visible in either of the mirror?

So, thought is your friend. You are your own friend, Krishna says in Gita - Uddharet-atmana-atmanam-Let him raise the self by the Self.

Recognise truth. Do not follow anything blindly.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Truth
« on: February 24, 2012, 04:10:50 PM »
Truth is not something that is just told by somebody! Truth is what you wed to, once you see the Truth yourself, not just because somebody has seen some truth, that it becomes our truth! Truth doesn't become truth, simply because of the virtue of a God or Jnani or some sage has said so, and, it doesn't become truth simply by accepting and believing it to be truth and living by it, until one 'knows' oneself. Unless one knows, who to wed to, one remains unwedded! Truth is what you find out yourself and you wed to it in communion.

It could end up being the same truth what some sage has said so.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Seek moderation in all
« on: February 24, 2012, 03:34:48 PM »
Dear friends,

Thoughts are not our impediments. If we can accept it. do not treat the thoughts as some outcaste, as something filthy, as something bad, as some defect. Thoughts are absolutely harmless, no matter what they show.

We should not also worry about memories, Memories are there, but what harm are they going to do? if one gets memories of ones grandfather, do not resist them. They are all beautiful, be all accepting. do not resist anything.

If one wants to smoke and one wants to stop smoking, the way is not to resist smoking, but investigate, and one will find that through smoking one is trying to feed oneself some inadequate food nutrient.

Most health problems and bad habits only originiate from our food habits. So by fixing our food properly, we can over come many impediments to meditation. Like food, lust, etc... can be over come.

Instead, correct your food habits and your will find yourself much better off, and consciously you will be able to quit smoking, ofcourse with some wisdom.

Similalry, the lust problems too, one gets lust because of imbalance in hormones, because of lack of proper nutrients. Hence the body tries to fulfil its needs, its fuel through one of the 5 stimulis ie. senses.

Body is super intelligent. Lets not corrupt that with our ideas. Allow the body to function.

Seek moderation in all, do not try extreme things. do not wish to be like this, like that.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: how many of you only practice self enquiry
« on: February 21, 2012, 10:13:10 PM »
 :D

Krishnan, I do everything, Vichara, Bhakti, Japa, Puja, Parayana, meditation, contemplation.... and may be something more too, I dont know! i think it is wise to not differentiate between all these. When I am unable to abide in peace, I just look at Bhagavan or imagine his form and seek warmth, or I chant vedas and seek warmth from the vibations of Mantras or if not this, I do little Japa and try to assimilate the essence of Japa, or seek some solace in contemplation or just meditate, or simply Be, without any thought movement but aware... or even contemplate on some kirthanas, i like that of Sadasiva Brahmendras specially and some songs specially... or i contemplate on the lives of Sri Rama, Sri Krishna, little from Mahabharatha, Ramayana... Upanishads, Puranas, etc... sometimes, tamil scriptures too.

One can never claim to do just only one Sadhana, because any one sadhana includes everything of these. A Sadhana includes all - Shravana Manana and Nidhidhyaasana, only then it becomes complete Sadhana

I don't do anything blindly. I do little but of Vichara in anything that I do. EVen though I enjoy the vibrations of Mantras, I derive more peace when I assimilate the Vedic Mantras and what it conveys. I do have some regular routines.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Arunachala / Re: dying in arunachala and dying in kashi
« on: February 21, 2012, 09:47:08 AM »
Talk 18 recorded in 1935:

Devotee: Is there any psychic effect in visiting sacred places like Mt. Kailas, Benares, etc.?
Ramana: Yes.
Devotee: Is there any benefit accruing by dying in Benares?
Ramana: Yes, the meaning will be clear if the real Benares and real dying be understood.
Devotee: You mean that they are in the Self?
Ramana: Yes.
Devotee: There are six centres in the body and there are corresponding centres in the world.
Ramana: Yes. What is in the world is in the body; and what is in the body is in the world also.
Devotee: Is the sacredness of Benares a matter of faith, or is it externally also real?
Ramana: Both.

In another talk, Talk 473

Someone remarked: It is said that they get mukti (liberation) unasked who live or die within a radius of 30 miles round Arunachala. It is also admitted that only by jnana is liberation obtained. The purana also remarks that Vedanta Vijnana is difficult to get. So mukti is difficult. But life or death round about the Hill bestows mukti so easily. How can it be?

Ramana: Siva says, “By My command.” Those who live here need no initiation (diksha) etc., but get mukti. Such is the command of Siva.

Devotee: The purana also says that those who are born here are Siva’s group of followers, such as ghosts, spirits, disembodied beings, etc.

Ramana: So it is said of other kshetras as well, e.g., Tiruvarur, Chidambaram.

Devotee: How does mere life or death here confer mukti(liberation)? It is difficult to understand.

Ramana: (quotes a Sanskrit verse) Darsanad Abhrasadasi jananat Kamalalaye, Kasyantu maranam muktih smaranad Arunachale.

(and then gives the meaning of the Sanskrit verse) “To see Chidambaram, to be born in Tiruvarur, to die in Benares, or merely to think of Arunachala, is to be assured of Liberation.” Jananat Kamalalaye means “by being born in Kamalalaya”. What is it? It is the Heart (This is very important, Being born in the heart, therefore blindly following, or blindly dying or blindly seein is not going to confer any moksha, one should have darshan in ones own heart, that is the birth to Moksha. Seeing, going, thinking is nothing but having the darshanam of our Self in heart as the heart).  Similarly, Abhrasadasi – Seat of Consciousness.  Again, Kasi is the Light of Realisation. Remembering Arunachala completes the verse. It must also be understood in the same sense.

Devotee: So bhakti(devotion) is necessary.

Ramana: Everything depends on the outlook. One sees that all born in Tiruvarur, or visiting Chidambaram, or dying in Banares, or contemplating Arunachala, are muktas.

Devotee: I think of Arunachala, but still I am not a mukta.

Ramana: Change of outlook is all that is necessary. See what such a change did for Arjuna.  He had the vision of the Cosmic Self. Sri Krishna says: “Gods and saints are eager to see my Cosmic Form. I have not fulfilled their desire. Yet I endow divine sight by which you can see that Form.”  Well, having said so, does He show what He is?  No. He asks Arjuna to see in Him all that he desires to see. If that were His real form it must be changeless and known for what it is worth. Instead, Arjuna is commanded to see whatever he desires.  So where is the Cosmic Form? It must be in Arjuna.

Furthermore, Arjuna finds Gods and saints in that form and they are praising the Lord. If the form be withheld from the Gods and saints as said by Krishna, who are they of Arjuna’s vision?

Devotee: They must be in his imagination.

Ramana: They are there because of Arjuna’s outlook.

Devotee: Then the outlook must be changed by God’s Grace.

Ramana: Yes. That happens to bhaktas (devotees)

Ramana Maharshi, while affirming the sanctity of the holy places, stresses that the inner truths of the verses must be understood, instead of relying on their purely literal or external interpretation.  He suggests that a change in the outlook, which can come through devotion, Divine Grace and realization, is required before one can attain liberation.

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there is no doubt, these places have some physic benefits, but, if one has not yet overcome ones vasanas, he is still to be born again, perhaps a higher birth. Somehow these places wil be instrumental in ones moksha now or tomorrow. 

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: Intro
« on: February 19, 2012, 04:16:30 PM »
Dear Student of Ramana,

the spirit of all prayers, by one and all, believers of any faith is only this -

ॐ असतो मा सद्गमय । तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय ।। मृत्योर्मामृतं गमय । ॐ शान्ति शान्ति शान्ति

Om Asato Maa Sad-Gamaya | Tamaso Maa Jyotir-Gamaya | Mrtyor-Maa Amrtam Gamaya | Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

1: Lead us from Unreal to the Real,
2: Lead us from the Darkness to the Light,
3: Lead us from the Fear of Death to the Knowledge of Immortality.
4: Om Peace, Peace, Peace.

So long the purpose remains un-attained, one prays, one way or the other. One chants shlokas, one enquires, one conducts a research, experiments, etc... all are only praying, one way or the other.

All Actions are only prayers whether it is done consciously or not. It flourishes well when it is done consciously though!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: we are missing a point.
« on: February 16, 2012, 05:57:47 PM »
Originally, there was only barter system as a medium of exchange. People used to exchange required items each other. If one wanted rice, he would exchange it with say wheat, or something. In this way, mutually, both parties got just what the wanted. But when currency system was introduced, things got muddled up.

As the medium of excgange is common, it has promoted greed, savings, and since with money power, the more you save, the more you get, so people have only become more and more money oriented.

Global companies are not satisfied with their profits, after having crossed 100 billion, they want to achieve 1000 billion turnover. There is no end to greed.

Economics, Globalization, Forex are the modern day Ravanas, Kamsas!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Friends,

Here we have to be very cautious and alert. Before we proceed further, we have to see if we really fit into the shoes of Aristanemi, that is absolutely realised the futility of kind of living that he was living, and, unlike Aristanemi, we still derive happiness from objects. We have to question ourselves whether we can yet say that I do not require the heavens. Otherwise, generally, if we just proceed without sorting out the kind of heaven that we are in currently, a Sadhaka generally tends to get into some sort of spiritual depression, where he would begin to suppress himself without proper knowledge the objects of his happiness.

Unless, we sort out and are fully clear that the external objects are only a source of suffering, really, genuinely, one should not take the words of Vasishta or anybody on face value and proceed just because they say it.

Now, after having heard or read in books, if we begin to suppress ourselves, by shunning everything that is worldly, we naturally get depressed, and we should not make a mistake of considering that it is SUFFERING, this is ignorance. And, the Sages are not referring to this Suffering as a qualification. The Sages say, one has to get VIRAKTI, and VIRAKTHI has to transform into VAIRAGYAM. Virakthi and Vairagyam has to be properly understood.

There is difference between ordinary suffering and Virakthi and Vairagyam. This is very important. Otherwise, if we just proceed blindly, then, it is truly ignorance!

The progression has to be natural, one should not force oneself the spirituality, one should not force himself with the ideas that external objects are to be shunned, even though it may be still necessary for him! One has to be cautious and exercise wisdom in determining where one stands and wait till the fruit ripens further where it will fall of its own accord, then one truly gets into the shoes of Aristanemi.

When the student is ready, the Guru Arrives. Now we have to be wise enough to know ourselves, have we really discerned enough to become a worthy student. Until then, one has to perform ones own duty, Swadharma. When we are genuinely ready, the Guru arrives on our palm.

In the case of Aristanemi, he was a worthy student and ready too, hence Guru arrived to him. But, lets not forget that even Aristanemi had to wait, it does not happen as quickly as it seems in the verses!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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