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General topics / Re: one pointed sadhana
« on: March 06, 2012, 06:12:11 PM »
and moreover Krishna, Just knowing is insufficient, one has to attain complete Nishta ie NIRVIKALPA SAHAJA SAMADHI

Very few to my own limited eyes had that complete Atma Nishta, and, that too constantly Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi.

To my mind when I seek who was in such complete, Nishta, Only Bhagavan and Chandrashekhara Bharathi Swamigal of Sringeri come to my mind immediately. Others were great saints, but when I see, that Atma Nishta, only these both come to my mind. They were both Avadhootas, beyond any ashramas, they are beyond our grasp!

I have read not much aboout Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. But he surely was in comple Atma Nishata Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: one pointed sadhana
« on: March 06, 2012, 05:45:46 PM »
Shankara Sings in Vivekachoodamani,

Chittasya shudhaye karma na tu vasthoopalabdhaye
Vasthu siddhir vicharena na kinchit karma kotibhih

Actions are for purification of the mind alone and not for realization or knowledge of an existing entity. Vasthu or knowledge about an existing entity (realization of the only existing entity which is Brahman) is achieved through ENQUIRY alone and not through thousands of karma.

Upanishads Sings,

न कर्मणा न प्रजया धनेन त्यागेनैके अमृतत्वमानशुः

Na Karmana Na Prajaya Dhanena Thyagenaike Amriatvamanashuh

Deathlessnes is not obtained through action, or begetting offspring, or wealth. Immortality is attained only through renunciation.

Therefore, Krishnan, Sadhana does not result one to get emancipation, sadhana is just to purify ones mind. Sadhana is not some set of steps that leads to realisation.

It cannot be said that it is because of Sadhana saints attained Realisation. Realisation happens beyond even Sadhana and Realisation is not some Kaarana Kaaryam effect, It is not a formula, which, if one does perfectly, one attains enlightenment. Realisation is acausal, it does not happen because of some cause or some effort.

Now, when one does ones sadhana without Phala Apeksha, without desiring for fruits, of, emancipation, what the sadhana does is remove the clouds that hides the Sun, Sun does not disappear behind the clouds.

If it was so, that, if one does so much Sadhana, one automatically gets realisation, then, there would have been many thousands of realized people in the world. It is not so.

One may be doing vigorous Sadhana but still could be very far off compared to an ordinary layman who does nothing, no sadhana, no prayers, nothing!

the Sun does not require to light itself up, it is already illuminating. So what is Sadhana really? Sadhana is only ignorance. We are all doing various Sadhanas only out of ignorance. We will do Sadhana so long we remain ignorant.

There is no Sadhana if one sees who he really is.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Everything is you
« on: March 06, 2012, 08:14:23 AM »




Neeye Anubhavam Neeye Arivu
Neeye Kaaranam Neeye Kaariyam
Kaarana Kaariyangal Kadandhu
Purana Porulai Vilanguvadhum Nee

You are the experience. You are the intelligence.
You are the cause. You are the action.
Beyond the cause and the actions,
that which is, which illumines the truth, is also verily you

(Vallalar - Tamil Saint)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: 7 Golden Rules of Life
« on: March 06, 2012, 07:44:25 AM »
Dear Subramanian Sir,

yes, ultimately, it is that, Bhagavan has said "Ask yourself to whom this ignorance has come and you will discove that it never came to you and that you always have been Sat Chit Ananda. One goes through all sorts of austerities to become what one already is."


Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: 7 Golden Rules of Life
« on: March 04, 2012, 07:58:49 PM »
Dear Swayam, Subramanian Sir,

These laws are eternal, and Truth, in all spheres!

Go in search of Self as something obtainable, the Self evades from you. (Self is not something to attain)

Give up the search, the Self is immediately realised. (ie Give up the limited outlook - i, and surrender, and Self you realise)

Moreover, Swayam, the first Law is understood better, with the verse of Kabir

"कस्तुरी कुंडल बसे, मृग ढूंढे बन मांहि ।
ऐसे घट घट राम है, दुनिया देखे नाहिं ॥"


“Kasturi kundal base, Mrig dhundhe ban maahi |
Aise ghat ghat raam hai, Duniyaa dekhe naahi ||”

Kasturi is within the animal's naval, but still its searching whole forest to know the source. The kasturi - a fragrant is in naval of a particular specie of deer, but the deer having its fragrance runs in search of that in whole of forest! We humans r also ignorant like this, even though god resides within us, we run around in search of him. Introspect urself & u will find all answers within u

In this way, what you run towards, runs away from you, the Self evades you, like the Kasturi, for the deer.

Similalry, realise, and by constant enquiry, when the Enquirer also gives up, at some point, being unable to find the Self, merges eventually, and Self is only found, look within, it is every present, already, self illuminating. The Searching I, gives up, like the Camphor burning, burns itself out as well. Give up the Search, Surrender, the Self reveals immediately. Keep away from it, it runs towards you, it is revealed.

To round it in simple words.

What you run towards, runs away from you  - is Jnana

Is like, having ones spectacles on ones own nose and searches for it everywhere without being aware.

Keep away from it, it runs towards you - is Surrender

Is like, having searched everywhere, when you give up and just be, calm and composed, you realise you already have the spectacles upon your nose

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Boredom
« on: March 04, 2012, 09:41:47 AM »
She said she had always been active in one way or another, either with her children, or in social affairs, or in sports; but behind this activity there was always boredom, pressing and constant. She was bored with the routine of life, with pleasure, pain, flattery, and everything else. Boredom was like a cloud that had hung over her life for as long as she could remember. She had tried to escape from it, but every new interest soon became a further boredom, a deadly weariness. She had read a great deal, and had had the usual turmoils of family life, but through it all there was this weary boredom. It had nothing to do with her health, for she was very well.

Why do you think you get bored? Is it the outcome of some frustration, of some fundamental desire which has been thwarted?

"Not especially. There have been some superficial obstructions, but they have never bothered me; or when they have, I have met them fairly intelligently and have never been stumped by them. I don't think my trouble is frustration, for I have always been able to get what I want. I haven't cried for the moon, and have been sensible in my demands; but there has nevertheless been this sense of boredom with everything, with my family and with my work."

What do you mean by boredom? Do you mean dissatisfaction? Is it that nothing has given you complete satisfaction?

"It isn't quite that. I am as dissatisfied as any normal person, but I have been able to reconcile myself to the inevitable dissatisfactions."

What are you interested in? Is there any deep interest in your life?

"Not especially. If I had a deep interest I would never be bored. I am naturally an enthusiastic person, I assure you, and if I had an interest I wouldn't easily let it go. I have had many intermittent interests, but they have all led in the end to this cloud of boredom."

What do you mean by interest? Why is there this change from interest to boredom? What does interest mean? You are interested in that which pleases you, gratifies you, are you not? Is not interest a process of acquisitiveness? You would not be interested in anything if you did not get something out of it, would you? There is sustained interest as long as you are acquiring; acquisition is interest, is it not? You have tried to gain satisfaction from every thing you have come in contact with; and when you have thoroughly used it, naturally you get bored with it. Every acquisition is a form of boredom, weariness. We want a change of toys; as soon as we lose interest in one, we turn to another, and there is always a new toy to turn to. We turn to something in order to acquire; there is acquisition in pleasure, in knowledge, in fame, in power, in efficiency, in having a family, and so on. When there is nothing further to acquire in one religion, in one saviour, we lose interest and turn to another. Some go to sleep in an organization and never wake up, and those who do wake up put them selves to sleep again by joining another. This acquisitive movement is called expansion of thought, progress.

"Is interest always acquisition?"

Actually, are you interested in anything which doesn't give you something, whether it be a play, a game, a conversation, a book, or a person? If a painting doesn't give you something, you pass it by; if a person doesn't stimulate or disturb you in some way, if there is no pleasure or pain in a particular relationship, you lose interest, you get bored. Haven't you noticed this?

"Yes, but I have never before looked at it in this way."

You wouldn't have come here if you didn't want something. You want to be free of boredom. As I cannot give you that freedom, you will get bored again; but if we can together understand the process of acquisition, of interest, of boredom, then perhaps there will be freedom. Freedom cannot be acquired. If you acquire it, you will soon be bored with it. Does not acquisition dull the mind? Acquisition, positive or negative, is a burden. As soon as you acquire you lose interest. In trying to possess, you are alert, interested; but possession is boredom. You may want to possess more, but the pursuit of more is only a movement towards boredom. You try various forms of acquisition, and as long as there is the effort to acquire, there is interest; but there is always an end to acquisition, and so there is always boredom. Isn't this what has been happening?

"I suppose it is, but I haven't grasped the full significance of it."

That will come presently.
Possessions make the mind weary. Acquisition, whether of knowledge, of property, of virtue, makes for insensitivity. The nature of the mind is to acquire, to absorb, is it not? Or rather,the pattern it has created for itself is one of gathering in; and in that very activity the mind is preparing its own weariness, boredom. Interest, curiosity, is the beginning of acquisition, which soon becomes boredom; and the urge to be free from boredom is another form of possession. So the mind goes from boredom to interest to boredom again, till it is utterly weary; and these successive waves of interest and weariness are regarded as existence.

"But how is one to be free from acquiring without further acquisition?"

Only by allowing the truth of the whole process of acquisition to be experienced, and not by trying to be non-acquisitive, detached. To be non-acquisitive is another form of acquisition which soon becomes wearisome. The difficulty, if one may use that word, lies, not in the verbal understanding of what has been said, but in experiencing the false as the false. To see the truth in the false is the beginning of wisdom. The difficulty is for the mind to be still; for the mind is always worried, it is always after something, acquiring or denying, searching and finding. The mind is never still, it is in continuous movement. The past, over shadowing the present, makes its own future. It is a movement in time, and there is hardly ever an interval between thoughts. One thought follows another without a pause; the mind is ever making itself sharp and so wearing itself out. If a pencil is being sharpened all the time, soon there will be nothing left of it; similarly, the mind uses itself constantly and is exhausted. The mind is always afraid of coming to an end. But, living is ending from day to day; it is the dying to all acquisition, to memories, to experiences, to the past. How can there be living if there is experience?

Experience is knowledge, memory; and is memory the state of experiencing? In the state of experiencing, is there memory as the experiencer? The purgation of the mind is creation. Beauty is in experiencing, not in experience; for experience is ever of the past, and the past is not the experiencing, it is not the living. The purgation of the mind is tranquillity of heart.



Most people are bored. Why? You asked how to get rid of boredom. Now find out. When you are by yourself for half an hour, you are bored. So you pick up a book, chatter, look at a magazine, go to a cinema, talk, do something. You occupy your mind with something. This is an escape from yourself. You have asked a question. Now, pay attention to what is being said. You get bored because you find yourself with yourself; and you have never found yourself with yourself. Therefore you get bored. You say: Is that all I am? I am so small, I am so worried; I want to escape from all that. What you are is very boring, so you run away. But if you say, I am not going to be bored; I am going to find out why I am like this; I want to see what I am like actually, then it is like looking at yourself in a mirror. There you see very clearly what you are, what your face looks like. Then you say that you do not like your face; that you must be beautiful, you must look like a cinema actress. But if you were to look at yourself and say, “yes, that is what I am; my nose is not very straight, my eyes are rather small, my hair is straight,” you accept it. When you see what you are, there is no boredom. Boredom comes in only when you reject what you see and want to be something else. In the same way, when you can look at yourself inside and see exactly what you are, the seeing of it is not boring. It is extraordinarily interesting, because the more you see of it, the more there is to see. You can go deeper and deeper and wider and there is no end to it. In that, there is no boredom. If you can do that, then what you do is what you love to do, and when you love to do a thing, time does not exist. When you love to plant trees, you water them, look after them, protect them; when you know what you really love to do, you will see the days are too short.

(JK)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Unanswered Questions
« on: March 03, 2012, 11:13:20 AM »
Dear Sreeswaroop ji,

you are correct, if we are hungry, and if other persons eats food, that is not going to satiate our hunger. The hunger remains! In the same way, even though, we may know that we have to eat in order to satiate the feeling of hunger, we don't know what to eat, even if there is wide range of platter  :)

In the same way, Bhagavan's answers to Annamalai Swami or Bhagavan's answer to Ganapati Muni or Muruganar is not satiating our hunger because, they are all answers to their own hunger or gap or tapas or taapam.

Don't you think so? That is the reason, we are all hungry in spite of so much knowledge, we don't know what we really want. We will see that we only wanted Self Realisation because, somebody else wanted and we believe that alone is to be wanted. But our own want is different, it is the same end (Self Realisation) but the question will be different for each one.

We don't really know what our question is, real question! Our own question is original, not those, that have already been asked by others, each one has to know ones own self, ones own question, they are not those, that are presented in the works of Ganapati Muni, Muruganar, etc...

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Peace..
« on: March 03, 2012, 08:38:04 AM »
Purely accepting the world with all its goods and bads, as it is, and, absolutely not interfering oneself in rectifying anything but merely responding to that which presents itself is peaceful.

That which requires action, will certainly demand action from you. It therefore prompts, to just be, peaceful!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Unanswered Questions
« on: March 02, 2012, 06:35:16 PM »
Dear Friends,

I am prompted to open this post here for all unanswered questions. There may be many questions each one has within, that has remained unanswered in spite of many reflections and exchange of views.

So, just let out those questions within to the universe, some way, it may get answered.

We all are unclear about our questions and if we are able to narrow down our questions to the real question that is genuinely rising from within, just identifying the question itself will clear many impediments.

My own question:
  • I don't know what my question is, that is my question! There is some gap, it could be just notional, but something that surely is missing, yes, even this missing 'feel' also is notional, but something that does not make it complete, even then!
Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Ramana, Udai,

I have the following observation in the situation presented by Ramana,

If you are sick, very sick, you just have to allow your body to feel sick, the body will work itself out. All else is our creation, if you look in to why you are feeling terrible, it is because, you dont want to be sick, while the body is sick. The body became sick because of some alien particle within. Now it is only wise that we allow the body to heal itself, is it not?

We build up most things, what they say about making new karmas is this, we make new karmas out of our existing ones.

When negative thought comes, enquire, what it is about? does it express its unwillingness to cooperate with yourself feeling sick? if yes, then cajole yourself and make yourself understand that due to eating some bad food, I have caused discomfiture to my body, let me allow it to heal by relaxing. If you are feeling sick, just be willing to give the requisite rest to your body.

Allow the natural process. Do not question anything that is natural.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Thoughts and emotions
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:46:55 PM »
When you are happy you are actually in union with the object. When you are sad, you are actually in division with the object.

The play of union and division keeps going on and off, on and off, because, we have not yet realised that we are in union really, with everything.

When ever you are happy, it is only a fragment of that advaitic, non dual bliss.

So long, we discern fully that the subject is not differnet from objects, this union and division keeps going on and on and on...

When there is only one, in the end, one cannot even say, he is in union, for there is only one, and, how can one say, he is union with what? He can say he is in union with himself, but this too is not true, as to whom does one go and have to say, he is in union?

Now coming back to your question, you asked from where is this happiness and sadness coming, to say that it is coming from emotions or it is coming from thoughts, both are wrong or mistake. It comes from you, who is neither thoughts or emotions.

So the genuine answer is yourself. You might not get specific answers from my posts, but, my only intention is that unless, you know yourself, knowing all else is not going to be of much help, it will continue for eternity.

That which comes from yourself, you just name it, or segregate it as happiness or sadness or what ever, but you are yourself not that, but we believe, that that happiness or sadness to be ourselves.

There is nothing like prior or which comes first and which comes second. They all come as one, only we segregate it as first or second.

You are that from which all these arise. And that which arises from you is also yourself. only we name it differently or only we make it different from ourselves.

Fundamentally, everything is yourself. This is only theory as of now. But it only urges one to know that fundamental being. Who am I? Who is everything? Who am I who is asking? Who am I who is inquiring?

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / 7 Golden Rules of Life
« on: February 27, 2012, 07:18:19 PM »
There are some 7 golden rules of life which have been passed on to generations as revealed by siddhars and even today, we find these sayings used, perhaps daily in many tamil families:

  • விரும்பிப் போனால் விலகிப் போகும்
    Virumbi Ponaan Vilagi Pogum
    What you run towards, runs away from you

  • விலகிப்  போனால் விரும்பி  வரும்
    Vilagi Ponal Virumbi Varum
    Keep away from it, it runs towards you

  • காண்பதெல்லாம் உண்மையில்லை
    Kaanpadellaaam Unmayillai
    All that is seen is not the truth

  • உண்மைக்கு என்றும் அழிவில்லை
    Unmaikku Enrrum Azhivillai
    Truth cannot be destroyed

  • அளவுக்கு மிஞ்சினால் அமிர்தமும் விஷம்
    Alavukku Minjinaal Amrithamum Visham
    In excess even nectar can turn poison

  • நினைப்பதைப் போல் நடப்பதில்லை
    Ninaipathaippol Nadapathillai
    All that we wish does not happen

  • நேரம் வந்தால் கூடி வரும்
    Neram Vandaal Koodi Varum
    When the time is right, everything works in your favour


Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: today is my birthday
« on: February 27, 2012, 09:44:16 AM »

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Dear Anil,

This brilliant article must be of interest to you -

http://murugan.org/research/jayavelu.htm

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Yearning for Bhagavan, by itself is, what we can say, partial surrender.

त्वमेव माता च पिता त्वमेव ।
त्वमेव बन्धुश्च सखा त्वमेव ।
त्वमेव विद्या द्रविणम् त्वमेव ।
त्वमेव सर्वम् मम देव देव ॥


You are my Mother, my Father .
You are my Relative, my Friend.
You are my Knowledge, my Wealth.
You are my Everything, my God of Gods.

More so, no to measure, if one has surrendered partially. Just the sincerity, faith, shraddha is required. No matter what our intellect fights, one knows from within, that there is some power above us, which is the source and sustenance of everything.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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