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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: How do I live it ?
« on: March 27, 2012, 05:14:31 PM »
Friends,
    :) Often, we have this type of question "I know the Teachings of Bhagavan Ramana, but how can I bring them into my life ? how do I bless myself through this teaching ?"

Dear Udai,

Before, we proceed with this, what is 'life' really? what do we mean when we say 'life', what is 'to live' what is living. i felt only then it would make some sense to contemplate about integrating Bhagavans teaching.

we go about speaking so many words unconsciously without even really knowing what they really are and discuss so much about that itself. Such is our predicament! So i felt it is important we get right into the core basics.

We talk about life, without knowing what life is, we talk about living without knowing what living is, we talk about integrating truth into our lives without even knowing what life is. Like this we are merely existing, unconsciously, blindly following what we are being fed. Our unconsciousness is so much that it is as though, if even somebody puts mud in our mouth, we would still eat it,  :D (just humor)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Devotion to idols and Buddha
« on: March 27, 2012, 04:47:27 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

Answer to the questions you have raised, are to be found within you alone and nowhere else. Take all good things from all corners and stand independent and discern yourself. All issues come about only when you want to believe somebody, Buddha has said like this, but Shankara has said something else, but then Mahavira has said another thing, Ramana Mahrshi and Ramakrishna too say things differently, there are jains, moslems, and so many more and they all say totally different things. infact you need to know all these only if you were going  to write a Thesis on world religions which would secure you a Doctorate degree  ;) so chill out, let go, be free, relax 

So long you will depened on the sun that is external to you, these questions keep coming about. But when you begin to see the sun that is within, then all these are put to rest.

realise your own nature, your independence, your intelligence, your chitta.

you are unique, unique to the core, none like you, realise by your own light. But take all good things from all corners - Aano bhadra krtavo yantu vishwatah "Let noble thoughts come to me from all directions”

Watch your experience, they are alone real. If you really feel you are only artificially acting, then acknowledge yourself, look into it. we have to be true to ourselves, only this will take you further. But if you are emotionally attached to these, then you are bound to suffer for the consequence of not being able to match the standard of Bhakthi that you have assimilated from somebody! God did not say you bhakti is small and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's bhakthi is bigger. realise this.

A true Guru is one who frees you from himself, When you worship forms, it should prompt you to the formless tatvaa, otherwise, it is simply mundane worship. Such worship is less value to the one who is in quest for truth. But for a worldly person, that would suffice, for the don't want more than what they see.

Be it who ever, Buddha, Mahaveera, shankara, Ramanuja, Chaitanya mahaprabhu, no matter their expressions may contradict each other, their philosophies may be different, but it is certain that they could never had lied. What they saw they shared. It is clear that they were true to their own self, experience and so they saw their Truth and expressed as it is.

IN the same way, find out for yourself your truth and share it with everybody! Don't have pre conceived notions such as, I want to realise Advaita, no I want to realise the Dvaita I want to realise the Visishtadvaita, I want to see the void, all these are ignorance. Be unbiased. Look beyond these words. These words are no where eve near to the Truth. The Truth is none of these. It is neither Advaita, Dvaita, Visishtadvaita, void, nihilism, or what ever other terms people have invented over the ages! Your Truth is Your own! If you give a new term to your own truth when you see it! all these are not necessary. Do not get entangled in these narrow chains these are subtle Traps in religion and spirituality

one need not be sentimental about Vedas, Buddha, Jaina, islam, Christianity etc.. in search for truth.

Do not get flabbergasted if Buddha did not believe Vedas or the Jains dont believe in God, how should it affect you? it will cause grief only if you are dependent on them. That is the subtle indicator.

Be independednt, know for yourself by your own self.

Only be true to yourself. Just dont hurt yourself if you are not getting bhakti like Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. You are different, you are unique. Is there any qualification for Bhakti? that you have to be like this, that you have to get certain experiences etc? Great People in the past haave shared their experiences, that they felt like this like that, in the same way, find out your own experience, do not try to match your experiences with that of others, do not try to imitate their experiences, for it is not your nature. Your are unique!

Know that you are unique, know your own self! What should matter to you is the truth alone and nothing else, Know that you are not here to save the Vedas or your Guru or Buddha or Shankara or Ramakrishna or Ramana or Christ or just any body. The sole purpose for which you are here is only to seek Truth alone and nothing else. So just don't get into these intricacies such as Buddha was against Vedas, Shankara was against Buddha, etc... all these do not befit the True Sadhaka.

Know that you are the Sun of the Sun, you are Mind of the mind, your are the Eye of the eye, you are the Ear of the ear!

Deeply contemplating, know that You are that Truth, subtly and deeply if you look for truth even in Ramanar, Shankara, etc... you are still only looking at wrong place, that Ramana, Shankara is only an external manifestation of your own pure Self. For If you are not there, even Ramanar or Shankara or Saradamma are not there!

You are That. Contemplate on these, you will know from within, as clear as Spatika, Crystal!

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Letting Go
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:43:16 PM »
Two traveling monks reached a river where they met a young woman. Wary of the current, she asked if they could carry her across. One of the monks hesitated, but the other quickly picked her up onto his shoulders, transported her across the water, and put her down on the other bank. She thanked him and departed.

As the monks continued on their way, the one was brooding and preoccupied. Unable to hold his silence, he spoke out.

“Brother, our spiritual training teaches us to avoid any contact with women, but you picked that one up on your shoulders and carried her!”

“Brother,” the second monk replied, “I set her down on the other side, while you are still carrying her.”

(Zen Story)

Salutation to Bhagavan

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General topics / 'Way & Thing' - Zen Quote
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:31:44 PM »
A way is made by walking it. A thing is so by calling it.

(Zen Quote)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Significance of putting Flowers to God
« on: March 27, 2012, 09:31:12 AM »
अहिंसा प्रथमं पुष्पं पुष्पमिन्द्रियनिग्रहः।
सर्वपुष्पं दया भूते पुष्पं शान्तिर्विशिष्यते।
शमः पुष्पं तपः पुष्पं ध्यानं पुष्पं च सप्तमम्।
सत्यं चैवाष्टमं पुष्पमेतैस्तुष्यति केशवः॥


Ahimsa Prathamam Pushpam Pushpamindriyanigrahah
Sarvapushpam Dayaa Bhute Pushpam Shaantirvishishyate
Shama Pushpam Tapa Pushpam Dhyaanam Pushpam ca Saptamam
Satyam Chaivaashtamam Pushpametaistushyati Keshavah

   1. ahimsa - non-violence first and foremost (prathamam) flower
   2. indriya-nigraha: - control of the senses
   3. sarva-bhUta-dayA - showing compassion to all living beings
   4. kshamA - tolerance/patience
   5. jnAnam - knowledge
   6. tapas - austerity
   7. dhyAnam - contemplative meditation
   8. satyam - truth

These 8 flowers are very dear to Kesava

(Agni Purana)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: The Siva Linga
« on: March 26, 2012, 08:45:46 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

thank you :) sure, i will keep sharing my musings whenever it happens.

what I request is go ahead and finish your sadhana,  go to that doerless state.  We all will be benefitted  Because all are really a manifestation of the same 'you' or 'I' only.

i see, in my limited light of discernment that one can never know when one finishes his sadhana, in the same way as one never knew when his sadhana begun. even if one does go to the doerless state, one can never know the doerless state, being that. Yes, i do benefit by sharing with you, as 'You' are 'I' or rather i would say, i want to play this game as i want to, still want to, i do so, because i want to, this is the reality, even if it benefits you, it is only because 'i' want so.

....... some cosmic games ::)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Krishnan, Friends,

Firstly Thanks to Sri Ravi's response and, thanks to you too, for posting his response here.

Yes, Ramana did raise few very fundamental questions which mostly we fail to recognise in our hot pursuit of our goal.

My observation is that, this notion of Middle way is very much notional, this middle way is a very personal thing to each person. In our country, since time immemorial, there have been various paths, some extreme and some very cordial to our life. We have Sadhakas such as Aghoris, who eat human dead bodies at mid night, and we also have Krishna Bhakthas who dance and sing kirthans all days and nights, and, there are these wandering monks, which we even now see in cities as well, who sing song and live by just what they get to eat. i mean to say that there has always been space for everything. There has never been pressure or a dictum that it has to be moderate or extreme. nothing is specified. Only one has to be true and honest to oneself, this much is the basic requirement!

This 'want' of a middle way itself is an hindrance, (this is my experience) as i found there is no middle way, really speaking, it is very notional!

As for that matter, I am sure, all devotees, especially Ramana devotees are in some degrees, definitely differ from the general lot, other schools of thoughts. I am sure, devotees in serious quest of truth may all experience some difference in their daily lives, because, the society and world survives with the power of ego and mind, and here, there is no place for both!

Buddha, who first propogated the middle path, itself was the greatest failure, for, by the time sincere sadhakas discovered the middle path, their life in world would have ended :) as in they woul no longer be in main stream wordly life. They become monks!

For instance, Major Chadwick, came and remained in Arunachala as a recluse, to just name one, there are so many!

I believe a sadhaka, who is in search of truth goes through the path based on his past impressions, if it is so, that one has to under go extreme path in his quest for truth, one cannot avoid, for instance, look at the life of Buddha, he had to undergo extreme suffering and extreme sadhana before attaining  Samatva. It is said that Buddha ate just one morsel of rice eac day at some point. On the other hand Ramana Maharshi got liberated even without desiring for liberation and stayed put in one place, never moved anywhere, whereas Shankara went round the country 3 times!

There is no real boundry who is true search for truth! There is a line, which restricts persons in search of truth, and this border is really invisible. this line is the freedom of a Sanyasi, where rules don't apply, once if a sadhaka crosses this hidden line, he is bound to face differences, untill he attains peace or samatva or samadhi, he undergoes all sorts of experiences, here, our demand for moderation or middle way will not apply, and not even work, for the power of the fire for the quest for truth will push one beyond any restrictions, even if one does not want to, it will show by itself to the sadhaka the Shocking realities of world, like Shiva's third eye, this is the Rudra Thaandavam.

It is commonly said that one can see Arunachala truly only after having darshan of Chidambara Nataraja, ie, the cosmic dance of Nataraja, that is cause of pralaya. The vision of Truth initially is shocking, as shared elsewhere before, each time when parts of truth is beig revealed, it is very shoking for the sadhaka, it is said, that when Krishna showed Vishwaroopa Darshan to Arjuna, he could not see it with his naked eye, and he gave him divine eyes.

So, such being the case, want for moderation is really a barricade. One who wishes to really see the truth, cannot avoid having to face the bare truth in its simplest self.

There is no wrritten way. It is mysterious, no rules, wordless, each person's experience is different according to his own past impressions.

One cannot avoid facing terrible extremes if one has to, no matter how much one tries to side towards middle way!

One cannot avoid facing the simple middle way, if one has to, no matter how mucg one tries to side towards extremes!

nothing is determined, even if it is determined, we can never know, can we? whether there is destiny or not? we have no way of knowing it! it is better to not believe in destiny! In the same way, who knows if really there is freewill? If it is true that we have freewill, then what ever we wish would have happened, but it is not so! Suppose Ramana himself says that there is no freewill or destiny or if he says yes, there is freewill and destiny, how does it change our position? in what way can we confirm what Ramana has said? We can never know, yes or no! We have only to discern ourselves by our own experiences alone.

I observed on my way, that it does not matter, to know, if there is free will or not, or if there is destiny or not, what ever answer i may get, is only inference, and we have no way of really 'knowing' it

So, i landed on this revelation, that it is best to leave these questions aside, I don't know, if there is free will or destiny, and i have no way of ascertaining it, so it is as good as not there at all, and this was a revelation to me!

We can know nothing, we can know nothing! period! there is no middle way, there is no extremes, it is all where one is, it is only our notions that describes something as extreme and moderation. For, in my own experience, my own truth sometimes contradict the declarations of sages, then is when i realised that we are more dependent on questions and answers of others and books, more than our own experiences, which is REAL, and truly to claims ours, as it is my experience, i don't have to prove it to anybody, such is the power of putting focus on ones own experience.

be ready to go in search of truth, whereever it takes you. this is my understanding! For I am sure that Truth shall never fail you!

One thought that broke down many barriers within me is these quotes of Buddha and Swami Vivekananda, it made me truly independent:

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

(Buddha)

...And here is the test of truth- anything that makes you weak physically, intellectually and spiritually reject as poison; there is no life in it, it cannot be true. Truth is strengthening. Truth is purity. Truth is all knowledge.

(Swami Vivekananda)

Having said these, i request all to feel free to accept and reject any ideas reflected by me here based on ones own shcool of thought. please apply the formula as quoted by Swami Vivekanada as above  ;)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Sir,

yes, also, the tonsure represents the abandoning of vasanas during the acceptance of Sanyasam Sweekaranam as well.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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சகலமும் விழுங்கும் கதிரொளி இனமன
சலசம் அலர்த்திடு அருணாசலா


Sun whose bright rays envelop the whole world,
O Arunchala, make my heart-lotus blossom

சாப்பா டுன்னைச் சார்ந்த உணவாய்யான்
சாந்தமாய்ப் போவன் அருணாசலா


To feed on you I came, O Arunachala, but I have
become your food and am now at peace

So Ravi, do not even try to grasp what you are destined to, it could be fatal  ;) where does he leave place for us? He is the great Mahagartha, the great black hole, which swallows anything and everything, and leaves not even a trace, where is any place for you?

Just flow with the river, do not worry about heat or cold, praise or insult, something happens or not happens, detached, just detached, keep flowing in the way the river is flowing, do not even try to put effort against the flow of the river.

His is known for shaving all those who is dear to him, as follows:

மொட்டை யடித்தெனை வெட்ட வெளியினி
Nட்டமா டினையென் னருணாசலா


How wonderful it is that you have shaved my head clean,
O Arunachala, and are now dancing a joyous dance in the
heart's vast empty space?

Since you have been trapped with such a fellow (arunachala), where is escape for you! Your ego, mind will cry, dance, lose control, it will behave like an insane, because, it will be fried in the his Kabalita ghana Vishwaroopa Kiranaavalya, Whose spreading rays engulf all things, Shine as the Sun which makes The heart-lotus blossom fair, where there will be not even a trace of your mind, ego!

Welcome to this prison of freedom, which has no boundaries, no walls :D

WARNING, CAUTION: THIS LAZY FELLOW WHO STANDS STILL, LIKE A LAZY STONE, IS VERY DANGEROUS, VERY DANGEROUS. OH! EGO, MIND, BEWARE, IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE, ALAS, YOU CANT, RIP! ;D

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Udai,

i like these verses, some times, they are more like my own experiences :

युगायितं निमेषेण चक्षुषा प्रावृषायितम् ।
शून्यायितं जगत् सर्वं गोविन्द विरहेण मे॥७॥

O Govinda! in your separation, a moment looks like ages. Tears are flowing from my eyes like torrents of rain and all of this world seems meaningless.॥7॥

आश्लिष्य वा पादरतां पिनष्टु  मामदर्शनान्मर्महतां करोतु वा।
यथा तथा वा विदधातु लम्पटोमत्प्राणनाथस्तु  स एव नापरः॥८॥

I know no one but Krishna as my Lord, and He shall remain so even if He handles me roughly by His embrace or makes me brokenhearted by not being present before me. He is completely free to do anything and everything, for He is always my worshipful Lord, unconditionally.



Those moments when we forget the truth,  when we are engulfed in forgetfulness, it pains to know how much more time one has to spend, how many more births. Even the feeling of separation, i see as the leela of the Self, for the Self to feel its loss and gain, by the self for the self.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Ramana,

forgive me, for I too am going to add one more response in the series as above  ;)

if you are aspiring to know it, you can never know, you just have to give up. Give up even the desire to get liberated!

To quote from Kabir:

If you are ready to cut your head off, drop it on the earth and walk over it, you are welcome. You are welcome in the house of love in this manner”

you can never know it! See clearly that there is nothing to know, really! To put it perhaps shockingly, there is nothing like realisation, there is nothing like self, 'I am' etc... the desire to know is the greatest Maya!

you who see all this, only are! Which can never be known! it does not even declare 'i am'

you are that. Which is even Before 'I am'

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Mind
« on: March 23, 2012, 01:10:23 PM »
When Mind Is WEAK, Situation Is A PROBLEM;
When Mind Is BALANCED, Situation Is A CHALLENGE;
When Mind Is STRONG, Situation Becomes OPPURTUNITY;
And The Ultimate,
When Mind Is Soul, Life Becomes SAT-CHIT-ANANDA
(seeing it’s presence everywhere)

(Satya Sai Baba)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Naan or I
« on: March 22, 2012, 11:02:27 AM »
Friends,

Today morning, i began the day by reading this amazing poetry by Mahakavi Bharathiyar, posted by Sri Ravi, in an other blog, and, i couldn't resist sharing it with you all here.

யாம் பெற்ற இன்பம் பெறுக இவ்வய்யகம்
Yaam petra inbam peruga ivvaiyagam

May the world experience the joy i experienced!



"நான்"

வானிற் பறக்கின்ற புள்ளெலாநான்
மண்ணிற் றிரியும் விலங்கெலாநான்
கானிழல் வளரு மரமெலாநான்
காற்றும் புனலுங் கடலுமேநான்.

விண்ணிற் றெரிகின்ற மீனெலாநான்
வெட்ட வெளியின் விரிவெலாநான்
மண்ணிற் கிடக்கும் புழுவெலாநான்
வாரியி லுள்ள வுயிரெலாநான்.

கம்ப னிசைத்த கவியெலாநான்
காருகர் தீட்டு முருவெலாநான்
இம்பர் வியக்கின்ற மாட கூடம்
எழினகர் கோபுரம் யாவுமேநான்.

இன்னிசைமாத ரிசையுளேனான்
இன்பத் திரள்க ளனைத்துமேநான்
புன்னிலை மாந்தர்தம் பொய்யெலாநான்
பொறையருந் துன்பப் புணர்ப்பெலாநான்.

மந்திரங் கோடி யியக்குவோனான்
இயங்கு பொருளி னியல்பெலாநான்
தந்திரங் கோடி சமைத்துளோனான்
சாத்திர வேதங்கள் சாற்றினோனான்.

அண்டங்கள் யாவையு மாக்கினோனான்
அவைபிழை யாமே சுழற்றுவோனான்
கண்டநற் சக்திக் கணமெலாநான்
காரண மாகிக் கதித்துளோனான்.

நானெனும் பொய்யை நடத்துவோனான்
ஞானச் சுடர்வானிற் செல்லுவோனான்
ஆன பொருள்க ளனைத்தினு மொன்றாய்
அறிவாய் விளங்கு முதற்சோதி நான்.







I

I am all the sky's buzzing bees
I am all the earth's roaming animals
I am all the forest's tall shady trees
I am the air, the floods and the sea.

I am all the stars seen in space
I am all the wide earth's expanse
I am all the earth's wiggly worms
I am all the earth's life forms.

I am all of Kamban's verses.
I am all of painter's images.
I am all the dazzling homes
And all this city's breathtaking domes.

I am the music in all those choirs
I am the strand of bliss in all lifes.
I am the lies in all those sinners
I am the agony of all those deaths.

I am the magician of million illusions
I am the essence of all things real
I am the trickster with a bag of tricks
I am the author of all the learned tomes.

I am the creator of all the galaxies
I am the director who makes them work flawlessly.
I am all the army of the Goddess
I am all the reason behind rationality.

I am the creator of the illusion that's me.
I am the traveller in the path of wisdom
I am the flame of unifying knowledge
in all things ever created.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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கண் போன போக்கிலே கால் போகலாமா?
கால் போன போக்கிலே மனம் போகலாமா?
மனம் போன போக்கிலே மனிதன் போகலாமா?
மனிதன் போன பாதையை மறந்து போகலாமா?

kan pona pokkile kaal pogalama,
kaal pona pokkile manam pogalama,
manam pona pokkile manidhan pogalama,
manidhan pona paathaiyai maranthu pogalama

Wherever our eyes go, can our legs also go?
Wherever our legs go , can our mind also go?
Wherever the mind goes , can the person also to go with it?
Can we forget the journey that great people endeavored?

நீ பார்த்த பார்வைகள் கனவோடு போகும்
நீ சொன்ன வார்த்தைகள் காற்றோடு போகும்
ஊர் பார்த்த உண்மைகள் உனக்காக வாழும்
உணராமல் போவோர்க்கு உதவாமல் போகும்

nee paartha paarvaigal kanavodu pogum,
nee sonna vaarthaigal kaatrodu pogum,
oor paartha unmaigal unakkaga vaalum,
unaraamal poovorkku uthavaamal pogum,

The visions that you saw will go off with the dreams,
The words you spoke will go off with  the wind,
The truths that the world saw, will live for you,
for those who dint feel this truth, it will be of no use.

(The main essence of the above lines is that a man’s actions and thinking should not be driven by all the worldly pleasures that his senses perceive and realise the transient nature of the world, and, awake, and strive to seek to attain the truth seen by the great people, for it is only this that will give you release)

(Tamil Poet Vaali)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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Dear Ramana,

There are so many layers in your post, i.e., you have raised so many questions, so subtle, that even if any reflection is posted here, you may get paranoid as it will never address to all your questions. Therefore, it is my personal observation and experience that it is our question that is MOST IMPORTANT. We are all most times unclear in our questions. We really don't know what is our question, we don't know yet what we really are looking for? Hence i always lay stress on oneself in narrowing down ones question, and one by one. The many questions may be very valid, but, if the questions are clustered and flustered, then which question will get addressed?

So, always try to narrow down your question, give priority to your questions, which is the first and basic thing I want to know. That will clear the many layers one by one. This is my experience.

Firstly, I want to share that, at all times, each one of us are only conversing with oneself alone and never with 'other'. I want to say, honestly, what ever I say, express, is truly, my experience, to the limit of my own experience, it is not belief, it is true to me, and, anything that is beyond my grasp, i don't express. Hence, i trust my words, for i have seen it, and, it is my experiential reality, i am constantly aware, when ever I am inspired by somebody, it is myself, whenever I am angry with somebody, it is myself, and, so on. when you know this, one will never blame anybody ever again, for if at all one has to blame, one has to blame oneself :)

Let me elaborate,

When you just posted your response. I read your post. What ever you have conveyed in your post, it is my own post (but it is your post) and, my response to this post is my own response to my own post (but it is your post).

When you now read my post as a response, it is your own response (but my response) to your own question, and, if you have any response to it, it is your response to your own post (but it is my post)

do you get it? If you are able to get a grasp of this, then many questions drop off by themselves.

Upanishads say Self is everywhere. when you read this, you are here and you are reading this, and you understand it. and if there is a question in this post, its your own question which is already there in you. and if you are responding to that question, its your own answer to your own question.

I am You. You am I

In this regard, let me also quote Bhagavan's words, as follows:

“My” implies the “I”, which owns the senses. You take your existence for granted; at the same time ask others to prove it to you. Similarly you admit the certainty of your senses, which see others, whilst denying all certainty. You see how you contradict yourself. The fact is that there are no others: there is no such a person as “you”. Each man, although addressed as “you”, styles himself as “I”. Even the confirmation you demand from others comes only from the “I”. “You” and “they” occur only to the “I”, without which they are meaningless.

Now, if you are able to get grasp of this fact that there is no 'other' really as you are seeing, then all the questions pertaining 'others' drop off immediately, as, you know clearly, that there is really no 'other' but that 'other' is also just yourself only. Now, this is just one layer, this may prompt you to ask another question, let it be. Even though you are still able to see 'others' continue doing what you usually do to them, but now the only change will be that, you will know that by doing something to others or talking something to others, you are only doing for yourself alone and really not to them.

The 'other' exists so long, you, ie. oneself remain flustered and clustered, they are there only because you are yet to receive some thing from them, jnana. Till you attain poornatvam, completeness, 'others' continue to appear. i.e. so long the many layers of questions exists, the 'others' appear so long you clear these many layers. The more you narrow down your questions, one by one, the dualities disappear one by one. Then your vision, will get limited, or rather, get unlimited slowly and steadily on your own 'Self' as you will begin to see the Massivity or the Infinite Expanse of your own Self.

This is just one layer. More later.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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