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General topics / What the Gurus and Gods Say
« on: April 14, 2012, 09:26:49 AM »

When you pray to your Guru or your God, Pray, not for Self Realisation, or Kingdom of God, but pray for Peace, Shanti.

The deep core voice of all scriptures of all religions, all Gurus and all messengers of God, is only this, they want you to be happy and peaceful. Period. That is all!

They don't lay any demand on you to find the kingdom of heaven or Self realisation, Nirvana, etc...

Be Peaceful, any way. If you don't want to do Self Enquiry, don't do. If you want to do Self Enquiry, do. Do that which brings you peace. If you don't want to do Japa, don't do, if you want to do Japa, do. Do what brings you peace.

Realise that there is really nothing like Vasanas.

If you want to smoke, smoke, but just don't trouble others, smoke at a place where there is nobody around, you, be sensitive not even to trouble the plants, animals and insects, around you. That is all. This also he says so only because h wants you to be happy, for he says, by harming the plants animals etc.. you are the one who will be guilty and un happy because of it, at some time. Your Gurus and your messenges and your Gods want only your happiness and peace, and, truly not even your prayers. Be happy. That itself is your highest prayer.

If you want to enjoy the pleasures of the world, enjoy so, but only remember not to cause harm in any manner to anybody else around you. Your Gurus and Gods don't want you to not enjoy, they want only your happiness, and that is whay God has given you pleasures and joy of enjoying everything around you. But just don't harm others.

Why God and Gurus stress more on not harming others? because, this also, your Gurus and Gods say so, only for your own happiness and peace, as they say, by harming others, you are only harming yourself. You will feel gulty, sad, at some point of time at least in future, so they say, don't harm others, in any manner, by way of thought, word and deep.

Your Gurus and Gods, only say follow Ahimsa, for yourself and not for others. They don't mean to say, "Do not cause injury to others" they only say,  "Do not cause injury to yourself"

Watch TV if you want, do not wantch TV if you don't want. If you want to be brahmachari, be so, if you don't want to be a brahmachari, don't be so. Do that which brings you happiness.

There is nothing like, one is higher and better than the other. Peace alone is supreme. Be happy, peaceful.

If you want to get married, get married, be happy.

Do all that which truly brings you happiness.

Realise, your Gurus and Gods, is more than your mother. They don't thrust on you anything. Do not feel thrust-ed upon, like, your Gurus and Gods, dont say "Realise Me, Realise God, Realise Atma, Realise, the kingdom of heaven, and so on..." They only want your good, they only want your happiness, nothing at all.

your Gurus Your Gods, dont even say to remember him always, remember your Guru and your God when even you want, don't thrust onto yourself to remember them always. Be happy, if it brings you happiness remembering all time, then please do so.

All that your God, Your Guru wants is your happiness. He only wants you to remember to be happy and at peace, at all times.

Be happy, do what ever you want to be happy. If you really see this secret, then this itself is it!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 14, 2012, 08:55:15 AM »
Sri Ravi,

Are we ready yet, to accept that there is really nothing to do? the truth is so ordinary, that we are unable to accept the ordinary-ness of what is.

We want something more... we just are not content, "is that all, there should be something more to this" goes unconsciously...

"One goes through all sorts of austerities to become what one already is." - Bhagavan

Funny, as we don't want to accept this, until we travel, we do all those austerities, all those struggles, all those mental masturbation, all those games of knowledge and ignorance, etc...

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 14, 2012, 08:45:00 AM »
At some point, i see, perhaps discern, we have to even give up Our Guru with his teachings, and, just accept Him, without any baggage, plain, simple, as a perfect layman. He is our Guru, who takes away everything, even all knowledge...

I have observed, even seeing our Gurus as somebody of great knowledge, all knowing, great Brahma Jnani, Brahma Nishta etc... is in some ways problematic.

After knowing our Gurus, i guess, at some point when we are really, at peace, we should give away all our books and remain. Noo Tatvas, No Siddhantas, no nothing, No this, No that, just

Knowledge is great bondage...

theLivu guruvin thirumEni kANDal
theLivu guruvin thirunAmam ceppal
theLivu guruvin thiruvArththai kETTal
theLivu guruvuru cinthiththal thAnE.

Clarity is seeing the holy Body of guru;
Clarity is saying the holy Name of guru;
Clarity is listening to the holy Words of guru;
Clarity is contemplating on the holy Form of guru.

Do we need anything more? really?  But this makes so much sense only after realising the futility of all knowledge.

Like Chinmayananda says somewhere, one can only renounce only after one has earned millions... (not exact phrase) Before that what one has to renounce...  :)

Knowledge is worst than even ignorance... ignorance reveals itself instantly, but this knowledge-ignorance, hides iself as perfect knowledge...dangerous fellow is this knowledge-ignorance

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 14, 2012, 08:39:02 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

"We are content or mostly, we don't know more than what Ramanujacharya has observed."
Missed commenting on this one.To think of knowing more than Sri Ramanujacharya!I do not consider that anyone else knows more than that-be it be Sri Sankara or Sri Ramakrishna or Sri Bhagavan or Sri Aurobindo.We only need to bear in my mind that these are not 'individual' achievements.All Love,Knowledge are in God alone.

The spirit was surely not like "trying to know more than Sri Ramanujacharya"  :D or just any body else...  I was trying to observe that we are getting lost in "Tatvas" unconsciously, we somehow refuse to move on, and stay put with tatvas. We all would have experienced it, most times, after some heavy discussions on Tatvas, no matter how great it may be, when we becomre fatigued out, even sleeping for some time, would bestow such peace, just shutting down the computer and being, would give such immense peace. truth itself was spoiling Truth. Knwoledge is bigger ignorance than ignorance itself.

It is not even about achievements, that i was observing about. It is the real paradox that i have observed,  that has landed in a state of complete "not knowing"

Like what Socratus has said "All that i know is the fact of my not knowing"

How insignificant we are, in the scheme of things, how insignificant we are before the "tatvas"

Ultimatley, i truly believe it is peace alone that matters, even more than any scriptures, terms of truth, we have to be at peace with what ever is. What ever is, is, as it is. We have nothing to do with it.

The awful daring of a moment's surrender
Which an age of prudence can never retract
By this, and this only, we have existed.

(T S Eliiot)

Shanti Shanti Shanti :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / projected world
« on: April 14, 2012, 08:19:57 AM »
The projected picture of this world of triads is a play of Chit-Para-Shakti [i.e., the power or reflected light of Self-Consciousness] on the screen of Supreme Consciousness.

(Guru Vachaka Kovai, 43)

Viswam darpana drusyamana nagari,
Thulyam nijantargatham,
Pasyannathmani mayaya bahirivoth,
Bhutham yatha nidraya,
Ya sakshath kuruthe prabodha samaye,
Swathmanameva dwayam,
Thasmai sri guru murthaye nama idham,
Sree Dakshinamurthaye., 2

Similar to the image of a town as seen in the mirror,
When one sees the image of the world within him,
The world appears as if it is outside.
It is similar to his seeing due to illusion,
During the state of sleep,
That the one real fact appears as many different truths,
And he realizes,when he wakes up and sees the reality,
That he is really the one and only one soul.
Salutation to the God facing the south,
Who is the greatest teacher.

(Dakshinamurthy Stotram - 2)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: April 13, 2012, 07:39:41 PM »

श्रीरामचन्द्र कृपालु भजु मन, हरण भव-भय दारुणम् ।
नव-कंज-लोचन कंज-मुख कर-कंज पद-कंजारुणम् ।
कन्दर्प अगणित अमित छवि नवनील नीरद सुन्दरम् ।
पटपीत मानहु तडित रुचि शुचि नौमि जनक-सुता-वरम् ।
भजु दीनबन्धु दिनेश दानव-दैत्य-वंश-निकन्दनम् ।
रघुनन्द-आनन्द-कन्द कौशलचन्द दशरथ-नन्दनम् ।
शिर-मुकुट-कुण्डल तिलक-चारु उदार-अंग-विभूषणम् ।
आजानुभुज शर चाप धर संग्रामजित खर-दूषणम् ।
इति वदति तुलसीदास शंकर-शेष-मुनि-जन-रंजनम् ।
मम हृदय-कुंज निवास कुरु कामादि-खल-दल भंजनम् ।
shrīrāmachandra (lord rAma) kṛipālu (who is merciful) bhaju (pray) mana (my heart/desiring faculty), haraṇa (remover, taker of) bhava-bhaya (fears of the mortal word) dāruṇam (grave, terrible) ।

nava-kañja-lochana (new-lotus-eyed) kañja-mukha (lotus-faced) kara-kañja (lotus hands, hands soft/pink as lotus) pada-kañjāruṇam (feet like red lotus, pinkness indicative of good health also) [1]

kandarpa (kAmadeva) agaṇita (innumerable) amita (forever, unerasable) chhavi (image, form) navanīla (new dark )nīrada (clouds) sundaram (beautiful, rain bearing clouds are beautiful for they bring the message of life) ।

paṭapīta (yellow cloth) mānahu (as if) taḍita (lightening) ruchi (interesting) śhuchi (bright) naumi (we bow) janaka-sutā-varam (janaks's daughter's husband) [2]

bhaju (pray) dīnabandhu (friend of the poor - {poor better means one troubled by vasanas - nagaraj}) dinesha (bright as sun) dānava-daitya-vaṃsha-nikandanam (danava's daitya's lineage remover) ।

raghunanda-ānanda-kanda (raghu's lineage's joy's root, i.e. source of joy for the raghu dynasty) kaushalachanda (son of kaushalyA) dasharatha-nandanam (dasharatha's son/source of joy) [3]

shira-mukuṭa (on head the crown) kuṇḍala (ear rings) tilaka (tilak on forehead) chāru (looks handsome) udāra-aṅga-vibhūṣhaṇam (liberally decorated limbs, bracelets, armlets etc) ।

ājānubhuja (long armed) shara chāpa dhara (beheaded with arrow) saṅgrāmajita khara-dūṣhaṇam (won the battle with khara and dooShana) [4]

iti (so) vadati (says) tulasīdāsa (tualsidas) shaṃkara-sheṣha-muni-jana-rañjanam (to shiva-sheshanAga-seers-people's joy) ।

mama (my) hṛidaya-kuñja (heart's garden) nivāsa (abode) kuru (make) kāmādi-khala-dala bhañjanam (desire-etc-enemy-group after-destroying) [5]

(Tulasi Das)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Vishnu Sahasranamam and Self Enquiry
« on: April 13, 2012, 05:05:20 PM »
श्री भीष्म उवाच

Sri Bheeshma Uvacha

Bhishma begins to reply to Yudhishtira's query as follows:

जगत्प्रभुं देवदेवमनंतं पुरुषोत्तमम् ।
स्तुवन्नामसहस्रेण पुरुषः सततोत्थितः ॥ ४ ॥

Jagat-prabhum deva-devam Anantam purushottamam
Stuvan naama-sahasrena Purushah satatotthitah.

That which/who is the Master (prabhu) of this world (Jagat), which/who is Source of all Gods (DevaDevam), God of even Gods, which/who is immeasurable, infinite (anantam) and is the 'being' 'spirit' (Purusha) (what ever is, let us call it Purusha)

Which/whose different (1000) names (nama) of this Purusha, if you worship, contemplate/meditate (Stuti) raises onself to limilessness.

Bhishma begins to say right away, that the meditation of that 'being', which is addresed as Purusha, the first, primordial one, what ever is, the first of everyrthing, itself would uplift oneself to the limitlessness.

Lets look further, in the next  :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 13, 2012, 02:27:00 PM »
Yet,I will have to say that in the teachings of Sri Ramakrishna,there is a seed of 'affirmation' of the manifestation instead of the Negation of the phenomena,through a witdrawal into Nirvana.Sri Aurobindo takes this forward even further in his Integral Yoga.I will post from his letters that clearly mention this,as also I will post from Sri Ramakrishna's sayings that points to it.I will not be drawn into any discussion or debate on this.I will state it for what it is.

My position on these things is that whatever we may have heard or learnt till now,counts for nothing.Just carry on with the sadhana and what God reveals to us is what matters-not what Sri Ramakrishna or sri Bhagavan or Sri Aurobindo or any other has said!We may make use of all these but cannot bind ourselves by any of these.

Dear Sri Ravi,

This, I am 100% in agreement with you. Yes, there is a seed of 'affirmation' of the manifestation instead of the Negation of the phenomena,through a witdrawal into Nirvana. This is topic I have raised on some couple occasions, but, it does not fall in our realms of discussions. 

Some excerpts:

It is more to do with OUR OWN EXPERIENCES. I have observed at least most of us in this forum (just my own personal observation) including my self, that we all actually side towards the philosophy of Ramanujacharya even though we talk about Advaita and much less towards Advaita at experiential levels! We are content or mostly, we don't know more than what Ramanujacharya has observed. We stand where Ramanuja come to conclusion. and we are caught in a pathless ground, waiting for eternity. There is a need for understanding here.

Our experiences of reality, at least by our views posted so far here (own views, not what Bhagavan has said or not what Shankara has said) By our own experiential knowledge, it can be inferred that we all stand in Sri Ramanujacharya's philosophy. This, on the other hand, doesn't give a peace of mind yet (atleast to myself) as extensively reading Advaita literature of Shankara and others.

There is a fine line in what Shankara has said and Ramanar has said. But They have been only one of their kinds. What Bhagavan & Shankara perhaps landed to is something which is description less or indescribable!

Those interested can ---->CLICK HERE<---- to go the post

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:54:06 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi, Friends,

Regarding this question about whether both, nonduality and qualified nonduality are valid,

i came with this discernment that what Sri Ramakrishna has conveyed is like a Palindrome. A palindrome is a word, phrase, number, or other sequence of units that may be read the same way in either direction. For example: LIRIL

Ultimatley, there is no difference, it is the same, only the way we see, alone changes, but that which is, alone is, without any change! Hence both are valid, from point of view. Both see the same!

Infact, on some scrutiny, Palindrome, has been a significant concept in our vedic contemplation over the centuries.

Jnana Sambandhar has composed Palindromic devotional poetry:

யாமாமாநீ யாமாமா யாழீகாமா காணாகா
காணாகாமா காழீயா மாமாயாநீ மாமாயா

It refers to Shiva as the incomparable God, the one who plays the Veena, the beautiful one adorned with snakes, the one who destroyed Kama, whose abode is Sirkazhi, who also appears as Vishnu, and beseeches him (Shiva) to rid the devotee of impurities.

This Sanskrit poem was written by "nandi-ghanta kavis" in kanda style, by Ramaswamy Dikshitar, father of Muthuswamy Dhikshitar:

सारस नयना घन जघ
नारचित रतार कलिक हर सार रसा
सार रसारह कलिकर
तारत चिरनाघ जनघ नायनसरसा |

Some popular english palindromes:

‘Madam, I am Adam’.

“First Ladies rule the State and state the rule: ladies first” .


I have used the example of a glass tumbler half filled with water, where one sees that it is half filled, and the other sees it as half empty.

So, there is really, no difference, between any of the Siddhantas, I strongly believe so. All are valid.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Life, wisdom, knowledge
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:19:43 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

What a joy, to listen to such wonderful song. Here I reproduce the same with my very poor english translation:

பூஜ்ஜியத்துகுள்ளே ஒரு ராஜ்ஜியத்தை ஆண்டு கொண்டு
புரியாமலே இருப்பான் ஒருவன் - அவ்னைப்
புரிந்து கொண்டால் அவன்தான் இறைவன்

poojiyathukulle oru raajiyathai aandu kondu
puriyaamale irupuaan oruvan
avanai purindhu kondaal
avandhaan iraivan

Ruling the kingdom of nothing,
who remains uncomprehended,
If you comprehend Him, He is only God

தென்னை இளநீருக்குள்ளே தேங்கியுள்ள ஓட்டுக்குள்ளே
தேங்காயைப் போலிருப்பான் ஒருவன் - அவனைத்
தெரிந்து கொண்டால் அவன்தான் இறைவன்

thennai ilaineerukullae
thaengiulla otukullae
thaengayai pol irupaan oruvan
avanai therindhu kondaal
avan thaan iraivan

within the water of a tender coconut,
within the inner shell,
but seems like just a coconut,
If you comprehend Him, he is only God

முற்றும் கசந்ததென்று பற்றறுத்து வந்தவர்க்கு
சுற்றம் என நின்றிருப்பான் ஒருவன் - அவனைத்
தொடர்ந்து சென்றால் அவன்தான் இறைவன்

muttrum kasandhadhu endru
patru aruthu vandhavarukku
suttram ena nindrirupaan oruvan
avanai thodarndhu sendraal
avan thaan iraivan

One who begins to experience aversion, dispassion and thereby who becomes detached,
remains/stands untouched, which is so very close, if you persistently follow this light, he is only God

கோழிக்குள் முட்டை வைத்து முட்டைக்குள் கோழி வைத்து
வாழைக்கும் கன்று வைத்தான் ஒருவன் - அந்த
ஏழையின் பேர் உலகில் இறைவன்

kozhikul muttai vaithu
muttaikul kozhi vaithu
vaazhaikkum kandru vaithaan oruvan
andha ezhaiyin per
ulagil iraivan

He made Egg come from hen, and also hen come from egg,
he also planted banana sapling (Bananas sprout from the female flowers without pollination - same like the hen egg quest)
That poor fellow is one
who is known as God n this world

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Sri Anil,

yes, that would be great if you are able to highlight poignant quotes.

Dear devotees, this, in my view, is a great clue to return HOME the way we came.

I felt, this is not just a clue to return home the way we came, but it subtly indicates, we already in our home, only we peak outside, by putting our heads outside the window.

Friends, in this regard, please watch this ---->CLICK HERE<----

For the benefit of other new members, those who are interested to watch the entire documentary on Bodhidharma teachings, may ---->CLICK HERE<---- for the links.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Life, wisdom, knowledge
« on: April 13, 2012, 09:22:06 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

TS Eliot is someone perhaps like our own Kannadasan, i felt...  :)

I've been reading, your posts on Sri Ramakrishna and Sir Aurobindo, I must admit, that, both, the posts on Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Aurobindo, does require another read. it is taking some time for me to ease myself with with the life of Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Aurobindo, so as to get a grasp of the real essence deep within, and not just the outer layer alone.

However, I have read quite of bit, the works and talks of Swami Vivekananda, which i felt more acquainted with easily. I am at a loss to understand, why so! In the same, I am slightly familiar with the quotes and sayings of The Mother, as my extended family were devotees of the mother and had some really thought provoking collections of Mother's sayings. It is only now, i  have begun reading about Sri Aurobindo, thanks to you.

Sri Ramakrishna is such an enigmatic mystic, unseen before. Truly we can never attribute him as 'anything' It would be a suicidal attempt to do so. still reading....  :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Life, wisdom, knowledge
« on: April 13, 2012, 07:57:52 AM »
Sir, I share more nice quotes of TS Eliot that are directly relevant to us Sadhakas -

Thus with most careful devotion
Thus with precise attention
To detail, interfering preparation
Of that which is already prepared
Men tighten the knot of confusion
Into perfect misunderstanding

In my beginning is my end.

The endless cycle of idea and action,
Endless invention, endless experiment,
Brings knowledge of motion, but not of stillness;
Knowledge of speech, but not of silence;
Knowledge of words, and ignorance of The Word.

I believe the moment of birth
Is when we have knowledge of death

Half the harm that is done in this world
Is due to people who want to feel important.
They don't mean to do harm — but the harm does not interest them.
Or they do not see it, or they justify it
Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle
To think well of themselves.

Your burden is not to clear your conscience
But to learn how to bear the burdens on your conscience.

An awareness of solitude.

Disillusion can become itself an illusion
If we rest in it.

If we all were judged according to the consequences
Of all our words and deeds, beyond the intention
And beyond our limited understanding
Of ourselves and others, we should all be condemned.

Only by acceptance of the past will you alter its meaning.

Every moment is a fresh beginning.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Life, wisdom, knowledge
« on: April 12, 2012, 06:53:12 PM »
Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

T. S. Eliot

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Udai,

yes yes, very much  जाग्रत जाग्रत   :)

Subramanian Sir,

What you have quoted of Bhagavan's talks is very much do-able. i have noticed, perhaps in every answer of Bhagavan, he only takes back one to the source, ie. Self, He kept saying the same thing, remain as Self, be as Self, abide as Self,... that itself would relieve us of all miseries.

WRT Dhyana, one pointed concentration, i want to admit, after some point, it becomes bored? I am sure, others also face this, and then, we turn to alternatives such as, forums, reading books, may be spiritual, but still, yet again, after some more time, we get tired, as we are still using external stimulus, in order to remain within spiritual realms. We use computers, books, etc...

So, how do we remain in constant dhyana, without getting bored? Bhagavan gave an ideal and most effective way of looking at the cource of I thought, which too, after some point, we get into the realms of perhaps voidness, or blankness, but yet again, Bhagavan says, stop not, enquire, who is it that sees the voidness, blankness, and continue enquiring the I thought.

Really speaking, it gets tiring. And i try to 'just be' without any effort, as mentioned by Udai. I remain, i just remain, but this too, after some time, the energies within are slowly bubbling over, and after some time, you just cant be.

Which is what I have raised in my post regaring the massiveness of this moment, the energy of this moment is extremely powerful.

about the Kashaya state, this state most sadhakas face often, not knowing what to do, they face a kind of boredom, not really of the worldly type, but because of the immensity of perceiving the vastness of the unknown, ones energy from within is voluminous, He talked about the essense of Sanyasam, Samyak Nyasam. He said about just striving to just being, not letting those energies out, the energies of freeing oneself from boredom, just being, with the boredom, and conquer it, finally, this is Sanyasa.

Infact, this itself is the short process of Nyasam, that we do during any japa, sandhya worship, for a short duration, a sankalpa to not let the energies out of your self, at least that while.

The energy what i am talking about is SO MASSIVE, that i experience, burning sensation around my bosom, which is certainly non physical. Just being, is REALLY KILLING, killing of the energies, it is verily like throwing water into fire.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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