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and regarding this freewill destiny, i am of the view that one who says there is freewill, one who says everything is predestined, both are doomed. truly speaking, i don't know. This much is really clear.

If i see that i can save an ant or cockroach which is struggling in water, i save it. and if i cannot, then that too, i accept it.

the fact, i realise, is i am too insignificant in the scheme of the unknown.

yes, sometimes, i do experience, some closeness with some higher power, some times, i do get desperate and pray with great fervor. some times i go get bored, i take break from all these.

that thing i notice is that that higher power, be it my own Self, God, what ever, is very benevolent, he or That loves you or itself UNCONDITIONALLY. That higher power does not get angry and curses you for being arrogant, for being egoistic, stupidity. That higher power is thousands of mothers put together.

i bow to that supreme compassion embodiment

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Ramana,

It gives me immense joy :) , Ramana, to have known you, friend, a christian who is so liberal and open, and, I admire your understandings of the Bible. I have seen so many quotes in your Topic, Bible in Advaitic light, that are absolutely no difference to what Krishna or Vedas have to say.

There is only one religion, the religion of love. (satya sai baba)

:) Satsang!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Child of Arunachala

Once at Varanasi, as Swamiji was coming out of the temple of Mother Durga, he was surrounded by a large number of chattering monkeys. They seemed to  be threatening him. Swamiji did not want them to catch hold of him, so he started to run away. But the monkeys chased him. An old sannyasin was there, watching those monkeys. He called out to Swamiji, 'Stop! Face the brutes!' Swamiji stopped. He turned round and faced the monkeys. At once, they ran away. Many years later, Swamiji said: 'If you ever feel afraid of anything, always turn round and face it. Never think of running away.'

(Swamiji was none other than Swami Vivekananda)

Hope this helped!

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear Ramana,

Regarding the name Janardhana, which literally means, one who torments people, in the vedic way, we don't have a separate evil outside of that which is, God, Self, Atma. There is no concept of Demon, Satan, Devil. We believe in one source, which is both the source of angel and devil. We believe that even the devil also sources back to the same Self, God, the same source. Therefore, when we say, the same self is in everybody, the same atma in everybody, it is all inclusive, even the enemy, even the bad, even the ugly, even in our excreta, everything is Him, and not just the beautiful flower, not just the peace, serenity, even tsunami would be considered the Lords play. Such is the tradition. In this context, I share with you this story:

In Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, the Asuras, Devas and Suras(humans) were very dissatisfied even though they had everything in abundance, the Devas had lot of money and enjoyments, the Asuras were doing good winning a lot of kingdoms, and the Suras(humans) were also harvesting nice crops. They all felt discontent and representatives of Asura, Devas and Suras went to Brahma and prayed for salvation from their wretchedness and then Brahma uttered three letters Da, Da, Da and vanished. The Asuras, Suras and Devas were confused as to what the words of Brahma meant! Then they returned back to their homes and began to ponder and contemplate on the Holy words of Brahma. And then finally they understood what it meant.

For Asuras, 'Da' meant Daya - to show Compassion and stop harassing people
For Suras, 'Da' meant 'Daana' - to give, to share what they have amongst fellow human beings
For Devas, 'Da' menat 'Daama' - to be content(to show restraint) - to be happy with what ever they have and not crave for more of the same luxuries.

Asuras, Suras and Devas had grown discontent because, they became greedy, inhuman and full of pride. and by this they realised the truth of their nature.

Those days, we have read in puranas that Asuras used to drop meat in yajnas and homas and spoil the tapas of Sadhus. Today it is our minds that drop in the fowl thoughts and desires that stop us from our performance of Tapas.

In these days,

Asuras, Suras and Devas are not separate! The Devas (goodness) and Asuras(Badness) are within ourselves and all the good and bad fight within ourselves, we Suras, should be wise and follow all the three upadesa of Brahma - Da Da Da - Daya, Daana and Daama

All is within oneself, The Angel, the Devil, the Human.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Keshava - One who is having beautiful hair

Madhusudana - Slayer of the demon Madhu (Madhusadana has the ability to destroy this ego with knowledge) Madhu also means Honey, which is very sweet, and it could also represents our ego, mind, by which we get carried away, and get swayed by it, so it also represents killing of the ego.

Madhava - son or descendant of madhu - The Yadava race, to the caste which Krishna belonged to.

Varshneya - Currently don't know, will get back to you.

Janardana - the tormentor of people (ego, I). the one who is sought after by people for liberation.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 15, 2012, 08:31:44 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi, Friends, This article is found in todays newspaper, will be of much interest to us.

Why get rid of sexual passion? Channel it to access that powerful, divine energy, says SRI RAMAKRISHNA

Seeker: Who is really to blame for sexual obsession and its bondage — men or women?
Ramakrishna: You are male, so I will speak to you about women. To women, I give the same teachings about the spiritual danger and spiritual potential of men. A woman who has awakened in her body and mind, the energy of transcendent wisdom, which is the brilliant healing and enlightening presence of the Goddess, can be a tremendous blessing for a male practitioner — as tantric consort, as consecrated wife, or simply as the inspiring friend of his soul. But a woman who has developed exclusively her biological and social drives, is filled with a subtle energy that can be detrimental to the progress of a male aspirant. Eventually — without either person recognising any danger — she can stifle his aspiration by drowning him in forces of the limited ego world. Precisely, the same facts must be explained to women concerning men.

But this whole universe is miraculously projected by the dream power of the Absolute. It is the coherent, magical display of Mahamaya, the Great Goddess in Her role as cosmic manifestation. The energy of limitation is just as much an organic part of this universal magical display as the energy of liberation. Mother plays as knowledge and as ignorance, so I bow respectfully before both with palms joined, though I salute Her tiger manifestation from a safe distance. Both worldly bondage and spiritual freedom are simply aspects of Mother’s Theatre, Mahamaya, which exists for no reason, not even for the education of souls, because this, too, is simply part of the play. Nonetheless, this Divine Drama is completely beyond any human conception or imagination.

The brilliant feminine energy of wisdom, which incarnates through the bodies and minds of both men and women, cultivates the refined taste for sweet spiritual companionship, for knowledge of oneness, for pure love, for ecstatic union with various revealed forms of Divinity, and for refreshing renunciation of all deceptive, habitual expectations. By contrast, the energy of limitation consists of the random, compulsive play of mind and senses with their objects — an instinctual drive for experience that lacks subtlety and harmony and causes the heart to forget the delight of Divine Reality, the communion that is natural to the human soul. But both currents — the energy of wisdom and the energy of limitation — are simply Mother’s Energy. When only God exists, who is there to praise and who is there to blame?

Seeker: How can I get rid of sexual passion?
Ramakrishna: Why get rid of it? Turn its powerful energy in another direction. Lust is blind, but the Great Delight conferred by the Goddess is ever pure and resplendent….

These apparently opposite energies, knowledge and ignorance, positive and negative, are simply God’s unitary play. I clearly see that Mother has become the sword, the wielder of sword, and sacrificial animal. There is no duality. We appreciate glorious light as well as dense darkness. They enhance one another. When spiritually mature, one can appreciate as sheer divine manifestation both happiness and misery, which depend upon one another to be fully experienced. Some suffering is good. It helps one find the path to Truth and make actual progress. If there were no suffering, how many persons would intensely chant divine names? The cosmic conflict between good and evil is an integral part of Mother’s Drama; Her testing of souls.

Could you enjoy the sweet golden mango pulp if the bitter green skin did not also play its role? The skin is not only inedible, but mildly poisonous, causing pain to some sensitive lips. It must be separated from the fruit with a sharp instrument and discarded, but it is integral to the mango, permitting the process of ripening. The green skin called ignorance, the instinctive grasping of the life force, enables the delicious fruit of the awakened mind to grow and ripen. Appreciate the bitter skin of ignorance as maya, Mother’s magical projection. But do not bite into it. The golden pulp of knowledge is also Her magical projection. There is maya of ignorance and maya of knowledge. Each is integral to the functioning of the other in this theatre of Mahamaya. As timeless awareness, nitya, Mother abides far above, while incarnating fully as lila, Her Cosmic Play.

(Meetings with Ramakrishna by Lex Hixon, MLBD)

Dear Sri Ravi, perhaps you can throw more light on these dialogues of the Master. Also, I felt, if you could avoid using the quote option in your posts about the Master, it would be easy to read.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / He lives in the thick of a forest, created by him
« on: April 14, 2012, 05:46:28 PM »
Since 1986, P Abdul Kareem lives inside a 32-acre forest, which is host to hundreds of bee-hives, snake pits and nests.  Point out any wild tree to him and he comes out with its local and botanical name instantly.  Of course, it’s not something one needs to be surprised about. For, Kareem is not just the owner of the forest but also its creator.

Kerala's Forest Research Institute sends scientists to study the trees planted by him and the state’s textbook committee has introduced a chapter on this 'man-made forest' in the sixth standard textbook. Agricultural scientist, M S  Swaminathan,  who once stopped by, has been a frequent visitor ever since. And Kareem was one of the 20 persons honoured in 2009 by Limca Book of Records as "People of the Year".

In 2005, Indian Oil Corporation released a full-page newspaper ad in its 'India Inspired' series, extolling Kareem's efforts, and followed it up by gifting him a fuel station to sustain his conservation efforts. However, behind Kareem’s success lies a strong will and years of hard work, propelled by a dream. When Kareem first set his eyes on the lateritic hillside during his weekend getaways at his wife’s house in Puliyankulam, the entire stretch was barren. In 1977, he bought five acres of land with an almost non-functional well for Rs 3,750.

Next year, he planted mature saplings of wild trees, but all of them withered soon. The second attempt too was unsuccessful.  However, in the third attempt, several saplings survived and started growing. In those days, Kareem used to fetch water in cans on his motorbike from a source a kilometre away - several times a day. He cared for passing birds too. He put small water-filled pots around the land to attract them. They brought in more diversity to his land, discharging varied seeds through droppings.

He planted 800 species of forest trees and 300 medicinal plants. He has never weeded his land, never cut a tree, never swept or set on fire the leaves ever since. “The most important revelation for me was the impact of humus on the hard rock. The fallen leaves form a thick layer on the rocky surface and get decomposed over the years. This accelerated the disintegration of laterite into small gravel and slowly to fine soil which in turn helps seeds spread by the insects and birds to grow roots and germinate,” he says. He kept away all fertilizers, insecticides and pesticides. He dug rainwater catch pits and raised walls with boulders across the slopes in order to capture soil carried by run-off water.

Soon, the ground water rose to a comfortable level. He stepped up his efforts. Weeds grew amidst the rare herbs and medicinal plants – many not chosen by Kareem.  In 1982, he bought another 27 acres of rocky land and today, “you dig five metres and you'll get water here,” says Kareem.

With hare, fowl and other small game appearing in the forests and sack-sized beehives emerging, Kareem built his house inside the forest in 1986. From a tank in the forest, he can now pump 100,000 litres at one go and the level will bounce back in a few minutes. Today, Kareem supplies drinking water to the 100-odd families from the two wells and four ponds in his forest, situated in Puliyankulam.

Green Paradise: a dream come true


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: What the Gurus and Gods Say
« on: April 14, 2012, 05:39:46 PM »
Dear Nondual,

Very true,  :) and I wish, Subramanian Sir, resumes posting some new topics as well. We used to enjoy his short and sweet stories of Bhagavan. He had stopped posting new topics due to some call from within. But, I feel, he could do so, share wonderful leelas of Bhagavan once again. When it has to stop, it will stop on its own accord.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Bhajana Dhyana
« on: April 14, 2012, 05:21:19 PM »

अधरं मधुरं वदनं मधुरं नयनं मधुरं हसितं मधुरम् ।
हृदयं मधुरं गमनं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। १ ।।

वचनं मधुरं चरितं मधुरं वसनं मधुरं वलितं मधुरम् ।
चलितं मधुरं भ्रमितं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। २ ।।

वेणुर्मधुरो रेणुर्मधुरः पाणिर्मधुरः पादौ मधुरौ ।
नृत्यं मधुरं सख्यं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ३ ।।

गीतं मधुरं पीतं मधुरं भुक्तं मधुरं सुप्तं मधुरम् ।
रूपं मधुरं तिलकं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ४ ।।

करणं मधुरं तरणं मधुरं हरणं मधुरं रमणं मधुरम् ।
वमितं मधुरं शमितं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ५ ।।

गुञ्जा मधुरा बाला मधुरा यमुना मधुरा वीची मधुरा ।
सलिलं मधुरं कमलं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ६ ।।

गोपी मधुरा लीला मधुरा युक्तं मधुरं मुक्तं मधुरम् ।
दृष्टं मधुरं शिष्टं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ७ ।।

गोपा मधुरा गावो मधुरा यष्टिर्मधुरा सृष्टिर्मधुरा ।
दलितं मधुरं फलितं मधुरं मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ।। ८ ।।

(Sri Vallabhacharya)

Salutations to Bhagavan
Madhuram - So charmaing, So pleasing, So sweet, So beautiful, So joyful, etc...

Adharam (lips) Madhuram, Vadanam (face) Madhram,
Nayanam (eyes) Madhuram, Hasitham (laugh) Maduram,
Hrudhayam (heart) Madhuram, Gamanam (gait) Maduram,
Madhuradhipather Akhilam Madhuram., 1 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Vachanam (words) Madhuram, Charitham (story) Madhuram,
Vasanam (Residence) Madhuram, Valitham (greatness) Madhuram,
Chalitham (movements) Madhuram, Bramitham (Thy curiousness) Maduram,
Madhurathipather Akhilam Madhuram., 2 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Venur (flute) Madhura, Renur (foot marks, after waking,foot-dust) Madhura,
Panir (hands) Madhura, Padhou (feet) Madhura,
Nrithyam (dance) Madhuram, Sakhyam (friendship) MadhuraM,
Madurathipather Akhilam Madura., 3 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Geetham (song) Madhuram, Peetham (drink) Madhuram,
Bhuktham (eat) Madhuram,Suptham (sleep) Madhuram,
Roopam (looks) Madhuram, Thilakam (Thilaka) Madhuram
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram., 4 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Karanam (deeds) Madhram, Tharanam (path) Madhuram,
Haranam (theft) Madhuram, Ramanam (Charm) Madhuram,
Vamitham (what he distributes) Madhuram, Samitham (tranquility) Maduram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram., 5 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Gunja (necklace) Madhura, Mala (garland) Madhura,
Yamuna (river) Madhura, Veechi (ripples) Madhura,
Salilam (water) Madhuram, Kamalam (lotus) Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram., 6 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Gopi (Gopis) Madhura, Leela (play) Madhura,
Yuktham (thoughts) Madhuram, Muktham (salvation) Madhuram,
Drishtam (Sight) Madhuram, Sishtam (left overs) Madhram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram., 7 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Gopa (his friends) Madhura, Gavo (cows) Madhura,
Yashtir (staff) Madhura, Srushtir (what he does) Madhura,
Dhalitham (trample on Kalia - snake) Madhram, Phalitham (jokes) Madhuram,
Madhurathipather akhilam Madhuram., 8 (king of all sweetness, Everything about Thee is sweet)

Dear Sri Anil, Sri Ravi, Udai and Friends,

Dear Sri Anil, your quote from Sannidhi Murai,

What is this “I” that rises from within?[/size]Only a thought that like a bubble floatsUp to the troubled surface of Awareness.In sleep the sea is still, no bubble rises,Then too you are and are aware you are.You are not the “I” that rises and sets,You are the sole Awareness in the All,The eternal, uncreated light of Being.                     V. 1048, Sri Ramana Sannidhi Murai

I am reminded about the following records of Swami Virajeshwara, from his autobiography "Scientist's Search for Truth"

He has very beautifully put into words the dynamics of the play of the 'I' friends, please go through this wonderful article of his by

 ---->CLICKING HERE<----

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Difficulties and desperation in sadhana
« on: April 14, 2012, 11:19:23 AM »
Dear Ramana,

i'l share my own self, there have been many occasions, i have felt thus. it discerned one day, that many responsibilities that i had were imposed by myself because of wrong desires in the past. And, slowly, i began to reduce my responsibilities to barest minimum, still trying to reduce but conducively to my environment, not making others feel sorry about this. Be free of all unnecessary responsibilities.

This is the holistic inclusive way. Think about everybody around you. It will be difficult, enduring it with the weapon of wisdom, and the problems drops away, by gradually dropping it.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: What the Gurus and Gods Say
« on: April 14, 2012, 11:11:08 AM »
That is what I am saying,

drop off the outside, inside, heart, non heart, within, without, self, non self, duality, non duality, seeing, non seeing, being, non being, reality, unreality, etc... drop of interpreations. i don't want to say 'just be' as well. drop off even understading the difference between Just being and not just being. free, from everything.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / The world
« on: April 14, 2012, 11:02:56 AM »

I was standing outside and looking at the houses, trees, vehicles, people, all in action, moving past me, as i looked, i wondered about what we were discussing about yesterday, whether the manifest world, is it myself or different from me, and as i was looking at the world before me. I wondered, where was this question before? how does it matter if that which i see, is part of me or different of me? now, before this questions, these thoughts were born, when i looked out, when i saw the trees moving. i just saw the trees moving, now, after these questions have sprung about, whether the tree is myself or different from myself, i stopped watching the tree, and got lost in figuring out what really it is.

It is the interpretations that were causing the friction. the various interpretations camoflage the tree. Before, these questions, came about, there was only 'looking' there was no thoughts such as 'I' and 'tree' that i am looking at a tree, it was simply pure, the moment, interpretations, contemplation checked in, it became corrupted.

When we see a flower fully blossomed, then be content with the joy that it brings, that is all, if we begin to ask how God created this flower, is the flower different from me or it is myself, all these corrupts the joy, then and there. Actually speaking, asking questions was not originally our nature, we have been fed over the years. Somebody asked us to ask question, so we are asking.

I see Bhagava, it gives me immense peace. instead of being in peace, we wonder, Wow, Bhagavan is constantly in Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi, how is it possible, I have to also attain it, instead of reveling in the peace. If you are peaceful, then even Self enquiry is also corrupting your peace.

Be with happiness. Don't do anything contrary to happiness. I see lorry move, that is all, i see the sun raise, the moon raise, the days and nights, the sky, flower, i just see the same, only the names change. The names begin to cause problems.

When the refer see like a baby, the baby looks at the same flower and begins to revel in joy, does the baby know, that it is a flower? still it experiences the same delight.

interpretations are to be dropped. be free of any kind of understanding, discerning to free from discerning itself.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: What the Gurus and Gods Say
« on: April 14, 2012, 10:36:05 AM »
Dear Ramana,

yes, but, in that, eternal happiness, comes not by looking for it outside of what is here, now. Happiness is ever constant, if one discerns the true import.

Why does the happiness that we experience is temporal? It is because of the very fact of believing that happiness is derived from something.

Why the happiness becomes temporary in our ordinary day to day affairs? Because, of the demand to want something that is beyond, and which is illusory. That beyond which we expect is illusory. So, one becomes discontent, with what is currently, and looks for beyond, unknown. How can one experience bliss from unknown? it discerns that all happiness Ananda bliss is from what is very much known.

We make what is here, now, so tiny and because of our demand to want something that is beyond, by making the beyond a huge mammoth attainment. We build unreasonable desires out of ignorance. We begin to fancy the words of Gurus Gods, with our own fancies.

A Rose is just a Rose, but if we give it to a poet, he would write a thesis on the rose with 1000 pages, and rose would become something beyond then.

Its here, now. Its simple. One has to be aware of not getting lost to beyond.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagavad Gita online
« on: April 14, 2012, 10:19:28 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi,

Do we realise, that the problem begins, this:

Simply speaking,The Infinte is beyond the realms of 'Ordinary' and 'Extraordinary'.

at putting the truth elsewhere, terming it as something, beyond ordinary and extra ordinary? We are in timeless search of this infinite.

This "beyond" thing is only the true real Maya. There is no beyond, nothing beyond, than what is now, here. This only is "Vasthvam"

Truth, happiness, everything is here, is its pristinity, only the demand for want of a higher better truth is the real problem.

I do not intend to term it as 'ordinary' but it is just done so to lay stress on the fact of the truth, not being something more than what is, here, as it is, and not something better than what currently is.

It discerns that the demand to search supercedes than the truth itself.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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