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D.: Should we read Gita once in a while?
M.: Always.

D.: May we read the Bible?
M.: The Bible and the Gita are the same.

D.: The Bible teaches that Man is born in sin.
M.: The Man is sin. There was no man-sense in deep sleep. The bodythought brings out the idea of sin. The birth of thought is itself sin. To another question the Master said: Everyone sees only the Self. The divine forms are only like bubbles in the ocean of Reality, or like pictures moving on a screen.

D.: The Bible says that the human soul may be lost.
M.: The ‘I-thought’ is the ego and that is lost. The real ‘I’ is “I am That I Am.”

(talks 164)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 23, 2012, 11:30:16 AM »
Dear i,

This is very prevalent here as well. it is an unfortunate aspect of the times we live in. According to Hindu shastras, we wre living in Kali Yuga, and intrinsically, we all have kind of accepted this aspect of times. There are separate scriptures which convey how religion, people will be in these times and what all to expect as well in the coming future. Things are only bound to deteriorate. As of now only about 5000 years of Kali Yuga is over, and there is still about 4,25,000 years left, before the pralaya, and the creation begins, once again.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Birthday
« on: April 23, 2012, 11:02:42 AM »

Define birthday,

"The only day in your life...
Your mother smiled when you cried"

(Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 23, 2012, 10:52:04 AM »
Dear i,

True Vaishnava spirit is as below, which was one of the favorite song of Sri Mahatma Gandhi. Those narrow minded ones are really no true Vaishnavites.

वैष्णव जन तो तेने कहिये जे पीड पराई जाणे रे,
पर दु:खे उपकार करे तोये मन अभिमान न आणे रे,
सकल लोकमां सहुने वंदे निंदा न करे केनी रे,
वाच काछ मन निश्चल राखे धन धन जननी तेनी रे,
समदृष्टि ने तृष्णा त्यागी, परस्त्री जेने मात रे,
जिह्वा थकी असत्य न बोले, परधन नव झाले हाथ रे,
मोह माया व्यापे नहि जेने, दृढ़ वैराग्य जेना मनमां रे,
रामनाम शुं ताली रे लागी, सकल तीरथ तेना तनमां रे,
वणलोभी ने कपटरहित छे , काम क्रोध निवार्या रे,
भणे नरसैयॊ तेनु दरसन करतां, कुल एकोतेर तार्या रे ॥
He who understands the pain of others is one of God's own.
Helping others in sorrow does not reduce his humility.

This person respects all people in the world, and does not condemn or criticize anyone.
He is pure in speech, deed and thought. His mother is blessed indeed!

He is equanimous and has given up all desires. To him, other women are [equivalent to] mothers.
He never speaks the untruth, not even if his tongue is tired. He does not covet others' wealth.

Delusion and attachment do not affect him, his mind is firm in detachment.
He is ever engrossed in God's name and meditation, and he embodies all places of pilgrimage.

Such a person has no greed and deceit. He has overcome lust and anger.
Narsi says: Such a person is worthy of worship, and alone elevates his entire race.

Vaishnav Jan to tene kahiye Jay peerh paraaye janneyray
Par dukkhey upkar karey teeyey, man abhiman na anney ray
Sakal lokma Sahuney bandhey, Ninda Na karye kainee ray
Baach kaachh, Man nischal Raakhey, dhan-dhan jananee tainee ray
Samdrishi nay trishna tyagee, par-stree jaynay mat ray
Vivihva thaki asatya na bolay, par-dhan nav jhaley haath ray
Moh maaya vyaayey nahin Jeynay, dridth vairagya jana manma ray
Ram-nam-shoom taalee laagee, Sakal teerth seyna tanma ray
Vanloohee nay kapat rahit chhay, Kaam, Krodh nivarya ray
Bhane Narsinhyo tainoo darshan karta kul ekotair taarya re.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 23, 2012, 10:18:38 AM »
Dear i,

no need to feel sorry for that, it is ok, your comparison is like taking water in both your hands from the same ocean and trying to find difference, but when you are aware about the ocean, we know it is the same water, now, is it not a beautiful comparison :) when we are aware that it is the same ocean after all? can Ramanar be different from Ramakrishnar? just the physical body 'appears' difference, that is all :) the Guru Tatva or the essence is one and the same.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

Yes, what is required is a strong determination, perseverance, absolute faith. Can there be anything without having to face difficulties? Sri Hanuman had to face so many obstacles while crossing the ocean to find Sita in Lanka, if, for a moment, had be been lackadaisical, he would have been stumped out, but he never lost focus, he continued without losing his attention to other temptations, in spite of several problems that he had to face on his way.

Yes, we do have difficulties in our daily lives, which makes it difficult to remain self aware, but it is not impossible as well. When we are faced with some problems, and when there doesn't seem to be any known solution, when it seems, there is no way out, we ought to pray intensely, and, such intense prayers are ALWAYS ANSWERED, provided, we don't get bogged down by our problems, and recognise the situation.

How does the higher power helps us out of such situations? When we pray intensely, Bhagavan gives us प्रेरण -  'Prerana' a 'direction' through our Chit Shakti, this is sure, i can assure you in my own limited experience. When all possibilities have been tried out to rectify the situation or problem, when it feels lifeless, when we pray, O' God, Only Thou can Help me now, please help me, when we pray thus, instead of getting emotionally carried away by the problems or the situation, the Higher power does communicates to you by giving us प्रेरण 'Prerana' an idea, a sudden light, a sudden 'know-how' you would get a new inspiration, to sort out the problem.

Miracles do happen. We have to experience life in its fullest, with all its problems and pleasures with total awareness, seeing it all as a third person and carrying on the life.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

the relationship of Bhagavan and Muruganar was unique, simply because of the sheer intensity of devotion Muruganar had for Bhagavan, and, Bhagavan, just to enjoy, would tease Muruganar. There are many such subtle instances.

When Muruganar prostrates completely, Bhagavan would just initiated some conversation just that very moment, when Muruganar is flat on ground prostrating to him, and Muruganar would even forget to get up even and respond back to Bhagavan like a Lizard, and Bhagavan would converse intently and Muruganar also would not even realise anything, when Bhagavan spoke to him, he lost all his body consciousness and surroundings. Other devotees used to make fun calling him as a Lizard devotee. :)

At another instance, everybody is well aware of the fight between Muruganar and his wife smt Meenakshiammal. They were a very sweet couple. Smt Meenakshiammal used to complain to Bhagavan about how Muruganar used to ignore her and how he was not taking care of her like before, she used to vent her feelings to Bhagavan and Bhagavan used to listen to her with utter consideration and also used to ask attendants to bring strong coffee for smt Meenakshiammal as he was a great coffee lover :) at another instance, she generally used to sing Muruganar's songs in the evenings before Bhagavan. and in one of the songs, Muruganar, being vexed with Bhagavan whose grace he some times could not fathom, sang as Ramana Mayavane, meaning O Ramana, the Deceiver and Bhagavan decided to play a prank, he asked smt Meenakshiammal to change the words Ramana Mayavane as Muruga Mayavane, indirectly, subtly conveying to Muruganar how he has been Deceiving his wife as well :) and Muruganar was very sensitive, the moment he heard this lines, he realised it must have been the play of Bhagavan and quickly tried to move away from the scene :) Then Sri Bhagavan explained to the devotees. "I have never abandoned Muruganar as he accuses me in the song. He is always with me. But he has abandoned Meenakshi and run away from her.

Swami Niranjanananda, sometimes asked Muruganar to perform the puja rituals to the Mother shrine. Muruganar use do the needful and finally, when it was time for the arati, he could not rotate the Arati in one and and rotate in clockwise direction, holding the bell in the other hand, it was a very funny to look at the plight of Muruganar and Bhagavan happened to watch it one day, and began to laugh loudly, very delightful, Muruganar, again, being sensitive, used to get angry with Bhagavan and disappeared from the scene. He used to put into verses like this, what ever happened with him, thus indirectly, Bhagavan had been constantly inspiring Muruganar in many ways.

Another occassion, Muruganar, very meticulously, got a big jack fruit to perform the annual pithru rites for his mother, seeing his meticulous preparations, Bhagavan asked him circastically, "oh, the thought of your mother still exists, is it?" and this very moment, Muruganar being his sensitivity was again a great instance to watch him, he took this as a call, and this was the last ritual he performed for his mother, Bhagavan was his priest at this instance.

Wonderful, wonderful. Sometimes, i feel, Muruganar is like the mice beneath Lord Ganapathy (Ramanar)

Kanakammal recollected, after the physical demise of Bhagavan, among all devotees, it was Muruganar who suffered the pain the maximum, itseems, he used to roll on the ground and cry with so much pain.

This picture, Muruganar is seated below Bhagavan, how much intensity, how much intensity.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: highest language
« on: April 22, 2012, 04:59:42 PM »
Totakacharya had neither the learning of Sureshwara and Padmapada nor the realisation of Hastamalaka. But he was unrivalled in scrupulous personal attention to the Acharya. He found pleasure in looking after the personal comforts of the Acharya as a devoted servant. His co-disciples naturally entertained a lesser idea of his intellect. Even Padmapada was not free from this misconception. Once when Totaka had gone to the river for washing clothes, the Acharya waited for his arrival before he would begin his exposition. The other disciples were impatient. Padmapada could not restrain himself. He said: ‘Why should we wait for one who is no better than a wall?’ Sri Shankara naturally did not relish this remark. He felt the necessity to teach Padmapada. So by a mental flash, he endowed Totaka with all the knowledge of the sastras. When Totaka returned from the river, he was literally in bliss. He addressed the Acharya in a few brilliant stanzas in Totaka metre. Since then, known before as Giri, he got the title of Totakacharya. He was counted among the foremost disciples of Sri Shankara. He condensed the essential teaching of the Upanishads in a small treaties. This is called Sruti Sara Samuddharana composed in the same Totaka metre.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: highest language
« on: April 22, 2012, 04:51:07 PM »
Dear i,

It is only with faith, Bhakti, that we need not worry if our Bhakti or ecstasy or bliss or any anubhuti is fake or real. Whether we fake it or not, it implicitly has in it, a genuine faith, from inner realms, that He will take care, He is there, the higher power will take care of me, no matter how bad we may be, because, like a mother, He is absolutely unbiased, he does not judge anybody.

Jnana without Bhakti and Bhakti without Jnana, cannot be complete. As the saying goes, bhakti poornathaya Jnanam” (the culmination of devotion is knowledge).

in our path, in our journey, we have no way of ascertaining whether what we are doing is correct, whether our egos are genuinely being cut, whether we are are genuinely progressing, etc... such questions, do exists, i am sure, it exists in everybody, in the deeper realms.  We know, ego has to die, it has to merge with the Self, it has to give up, but we don't know here. Friends, Everybody, will, at some time, remain helpless before the Lord, and we have to kneel down and pray for his blessings, cry for his blessings, only for him to take over from this point.

Sharanagati is inevitable, no matter, how much we may try to discern things, at some stage, discernment itself gives up! We can never avoid facing the mirror of how insignificant we are, before the vastness of the higher power.

विदिताखिलशास्त्रसुधाजलधे महितोपनिषत् कथितार्थनिधे |
हृदये कलये विमलं चरणं भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||१||

O knower of the nectar-ocean of the scriptures, the expounder of the
knowledge of the great upanishadic treasure! I meditate on Your pure lotus
feet in my heart | O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.

करुणावरुणालय पालय मां भवसागरदुःखविदूनहृदम् |
रचयाखिलदर्शनतत्त्वविदं भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||२||

Save me whose heart is afflicted by the misery of the ocean of births,
O (You who are) the ocean of compassion! (By Your grace) make me the
knower of the truths of all the systems of philosophy |  O Preceptor Shankara,
be my refuge.

भवता जनता सुहिता भविता निजबोधविचारण चारुमते |
कलयेश्वरजीवविवेकविदं भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||३||

The people have found happiness due to You, who have the intellect adept in
the inquiry into Self-knowledge | Make me understand the knowledge of God
and the soul | O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.

भव एव भवानिति मे नितरां समजायत चेतसि कौतुकिता |
मम वारय मोहमहाजलधिं भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणं  ||४||

You are Lord Shiva Himself | Knowing this my mind is filled with an
abundance of joy | Put an end to my sea of delusion | O Preceptor Shankara,
be my refuge.

सुकृते | अधिकृते बहुधा भवतो भविता समदर्शनलालसता |
अतिदीनमिमं परिपालय मां भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||५||

Only after numerous virtuous deeds have been performed in many
ways, does a keen desire for the experience of Brahman through You arise.
Protect (me who am) extremely helpless | O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.

जगतीमवितुं कलिताकृतयो विचरन्ति महामहसश्छलतः |
अहिमांशुरिवात्र विभासि गुरो भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||६||

For the sake of saving the world, (Your) great (disciples) wander assuming
various forms and guises | O Guru, You shine like the sun (among them).
O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.

गुरुपुंगव पुंगवकेतन ते समतामयतां नहि को | अपि सुधीः |
शरणागतवत्सल तत्त्वनिधे भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||७||

O Best among the Gurus! The Lord whose flag bears the emblem of the
bull! You have no equal among the wise | You who are affectionate to those
who seek refuge! The treasure of truth! O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.

विदिता न मया विशदैककला न च किंचन काञ्चनमस्ति गुरो |
द्रुतमेव विधेहि कृपां सहजां भव शंकर देशिक मे शरणम् ||८||

I have neither understood even one branch of knowledge clearly, nor do I
possess any wealth, O Guru | Quickly bestow on me the compassion which is
natural to You | O Preceptor Shankara, be my refuge.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: highest language
« on: April 22, 2012, 04:34:06 PM »
The aristocratic lady again came after a few days, went straight to Bhagavan, saluted him and said:

“I came last time with my husband and children. I was thinking of their food and time was pressing. So I could not stay here as long as I would have wished. But I was later worried over the hurried nature of the visit. I have returned now to sit quiet and imbibe Sri Bhagavan’s Grace. May He give me strength of mind!”

The hall was already kept clear of people. She sat on a crude carpet in front of Sri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan said smiling: “Yes. Silence is perpetual speaking. Ordinary speech hinders that heartto-heart talk.”

She agreed and sat quiet. Sri Bhagavan was sitting reclining on the sofa. His eyes were fixed in her direction with a gracious smile on His lips. Both remained silent and motionless for about an hour.

Prasad was distributed. The lady said: “Now I want to return. The river between Bangalore and this place is in floods. On my way here a bus was overturned in the floods. My car came later, and I saw the sad accident. Still I was not afraid to ford the river. My car came out safe. I would like to return in daytime.

“This time I shall not say ‘is the last time I shall come’ as I said on former occasions. I do not know, but it may be so. Yet Maharshi should give me strength of mind.

“I long for bhakti. I want more of this longing. Even realisation does not matter for me. Let me be strong in my longing.”

M.: If the longing is there, Realisation will be forced on you even if you do not want it. Subhechcha is the doorway for realisation.

D.: Let it be so. But I am content with longing. Even when I am away from this place I must not relax in my devotion. May Sri Bhagavan give me the necessary strength. Such longing could only be through His Grace. I am personally too weak.

Again, when I was here on a previous occasion I asked several questions. But I could not follow Sri Bhagavan’s answers. I thought I would not ask any more questions but only sit quiet in His Presence imbibing Grace which might be extended to me. So I do not pursue Maharshi with more questions this time. Only let me have His Grace.

M.: Your repeated visits to this place indicate the extension of Grace. She was surprised and said: “I was going to ask Maharshi if He called me. For all of a sudden my husband told me this morning: ‘There are two days free. If you want you may visit Maharshi and return.’

“I was very agreeably surprised and pleased. I took it to be a call from Maharshi.”

She also expressed a desire to reside near Maharshi and asked for His blessings.

Maharshi said: A Higher Power is leading you. Be led by the same.

D.: But I am not aware of it. Please make me aware of it.

M.: The Higher Power knows what to do and how to do it. Trust it.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / highest language
« on: April 22, 2012, 04:22:23 PM »
Language is only a medium for communicating one’s thoughts to another. It is called in only after thoughts arise; other thoughts arise after the ‘I-thought’ rises; the ‘I-thought’ is the root of all conversation. When one remains without thinking one understands another by means of the universal language of silence. Silence is ever-speaking; it is a perennial flow of language; it is interrupted by speaking.

These words obstruct that mute language. There is electricity flowing in a wire. With resistance to its passage, it glows as a lamp or revolves as a fan. In the wire it remains as electric energy. Similarly also, silence is the eternal flow of language, obstructed by words. What one fails to know by conversation extending to several years can be known in a trice in Silence, or in front of Silence - e.g., Dakshinamurti, and his four disciples. That is the highest and most effective language.

(Talks 246)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

i was contemplating, Sri Muruganar, would have been is this very 'state' 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, all through his life, since his acquaintance with his beloved Guru Ramanar. When ever i think about Sri Muruganar, it takes me to the depths of some unfathomable intensity.

What a Grace. Truly.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 21, 2012, 06:37:59 PM »
Dear i,

Bhagavan and Sri Ramakrishnar are like two sides of the same coin. One is absolute extrovert, the other is absolute introvert. One is absolutely expressive, the other is reposed in silence, one moved around to various places, the other stay put at one place Yet there is absolutely no difference in the internal samadhi that they were in.

This also reminds me of the two Chandrashekhara swamigal of Sringeri and Kanchi. Those interested can read the article by (again) Sri Ra Ganapati


i feel, one acquainted with Sri Ramakrishnar would least bother about any siddhantas, religion, nothing, the Bhavam is the mother of everything. It releases plenty of burden, instantly, one does not begin to worry about maya, illusion, whether this is real or unreal, amusingly blissful :) Everything falls in place. Everything is already in place!  :)

I am beginning to enjoy the leela or play of Prakriti, its joyful, there is no judgements, thinking, analysing, its pure fun.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Sanskrit Maxims
« on: April 21, 2012, 06:22:25 PM »
Dear i recently i found a book of sanskrit maxims that were very well used in the daily lives during the vedic times. i shall reproduce them here, some interesting ones:


The maxim of the necklace One day a lady was anxiously engaged in search for her necklace, though in fact she had it then round her neck. When she enquired of another person about it, she was asked only to feel her neck. It is used to denote the useless attempt of a person to obtain a thing from somewhere else though in fact he is in possession of it, only he is not aware of it.

The Self remains unknown, only thus :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Agastya consuming the ocean
« on: April 21, 2012, 06:10:54 PM »
There is this very popular story about Agastya consuming an entire ocean. The Devas had taken shelter in some cosmic ocean to escape the wrath of the asuras, and they prayed Sage Agastya to help them as this hiding was insufficient and the Asuras would eventually find them and kill them, and then, Agastya consumes the entire ocean to help save the Devas.

The Significance of consuming the entire ocean is consumption of Mirage of water body, the fear of the Devas was as good as fearing from a mirage of water, and, thus consuming the ocean body, Sage Agastya saved the Devas, subtly revealing them the real nature of Mithya and Self.

Every fantasies that we read in the Puranic stories is full of significance and wisdom, and, they are not just some Harry Potter stories :)

The significance being, the absolute surrender of the Devas, and the Sage Agastya consuming the illusion of the Devas, and reveling them, their real nature, self, atman.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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