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General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 11:53:30 AM »
Have you had personal interactions with Swami Chinmayananda? kindly do share your experiences.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 11:52:02 AM »
Dear i,

yes, that is wisdom, this much we surely can incorporate - "but we can choose to eat half stomach. Nobody will find fault in that part :) " at the same each one should eat requisite food to get enough energy as well, and, not under eat as well, depending on the amount of mental-physical activities of such a one.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 11:22:30 AM »
Dear i,

what you have mentioned is very true "Half stomach food, one fourth is water and one fourth is left free / air"

due to my lifestyle, most days i am only able to eat my dinner after 9:30, sometimes even late due to my job. Many of the Sage's advises such as above becomes difficult to implement, and, on the other hand, holding the people at home at ransom to prepare food the way we want and in the time that we want, would be, i felt worst than even eating tamasic food :) so there are so many dynamics here.

deep within, i feel, there is really not very much, we could really do to change our lifestyle much, yes, we could bring in few changes, that too, only minimally, for we are all interconnected with every other people at home and society.

Also, on a forethought, it occurred to me that, one cannot live like a monk living in the world, one can only live like a monk internally but externally, to incorporate a monk's lifestyle would boomerang, i felt :)

i am reminded about this wonderful instance from the life of Shirdi Sai Baba, this story helps us assimilate the true essence of jnana:

Once it so happened, that a sadhak of Yoga came to Shirdi with Nanasaheb Chandorkar. He had studied all the works on Yoga, including the Yoga-sutras of Patanjali, but had no practical experience. He could not concentrate his mind and attain samadhi even for a short time. He thought that if Sai Baba be pleased with him, He will show him the way to attain samadhi for a long time. With this object in view he came to Shirdi, and when he went to the Masjid he saw Sai Baba eating bread with onion. On seeing this, a thought arose in his mind - `How can this man, eating stale bread with raw onion, solve my difficulties and help me?' Sai Baba read his mind and said to Nanasaheb - "Oh Nana, he who has the power to digest onion, should eat it and none else". Hearing this remark, the yogi was wonder-struck and then he fell at Baba's Feet with complete surrender. With pure and open mind, he asked his difficulties and got their solution from Baba. Thus being satisfied and happy, he left Shirdi with Baba's Udi and blessings.

Bhagavan's mother was a very orthodox lady, full of caste prejudices and superstitions. Bhagavan did not tolerate any of her ideas. He criticised her many times and was quite ruthless in destroying all that stood in the way of her emancipation from ignorance and fear. When she refused to cook onions, which are taboo to a Brahmin widow, Bhagavan would show her one and say, "How mighty is this little bulb! it can stop my mother from going to heaven."

In this spirit, many of us, we realise, that how we are all interwoven within the society and people, even within the family. Can we demand not to use onion for our spiritual progress? can we demand a particular time for our lunch dinner just for our spiritual progress? sometimes, it would become counterproductive, and people may begin questioning our spirituality etc... instead, what i felt is best, is work ourselves stronger and stronger from within, where these foods cannot affect our spirituality, we are that Atman, again, i land onto "Atma is Balam" atma alone could be depended upon.

Seeing the realities of our times, i am sure, many of our families cannot avoid going to restaurants some times, as the women themselves are tired of their jobs and they do want some holidays, can we hold them on ransom? Instead, of lamenting to ourselves, "oh, am eating so much outside, i am eating so much junk food, etc..." we can develop the bhakti and spirit and make ourselves stronger So, it becomes our utmost duty to imbibe more, the spirit, than the actuality! These things, drop away, by themselves, when times are right.

The kind of environment, that we live today, i am sure, many working in IT field would know, how they have to go to office parties, etc... can they avoid such things? no, instead, one can observe moderation, eat just for the sake of eating, and remain. The best of everything is making oneself Stronger and only Stronger, more resolute, "nothing can affect me" with bhakti, and offer what ever we eat to God first and eat what ever we are eating with a feeling that the this food is His Prasadam.

Gita says, Him the sword cannot pierce; him the fire cannot burn; him the water cannot melt; him the air cannot dry, what can a mere food do to such a one? one must delve in constant Tapas, Tapas nothing can harm one. Atma is Balam, yes!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 09:07:03 AM »
Dear i,

please also do share the daily routine and food habits of Ramakrishna order monks, at your convenience. thank you. knowing the Life of such a monk would be of immense benefit to us all.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 08:55:27 AM »
Dear i,

thank you for your wise words, yes, what you have observed is so very true. Everything begins with food and chitta. i would like to discuss what constitutes a satwic food. There was a time when our food was predominantly satwic, but now a days, onions are integral part of every family, lifestyles changed, dinner times change. can we talk about neat food habits. what foods make a good food for sadhakas? what is to be eaten, what is to be avoided, in detail, timings - not to adhere to a strict routine, but, it is a need perhaps for everyone to know, become aware at least.

Thank you

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 02, 2012, 08:48:20 PM »
Dear i,

yes, one has to seek it earnestly and obtain it. like Bhagavan says, grace is every present, the grace of the Guru is like the ocean. If the disciple comes with a cup he will only get a cupful. It is no use complaining of the niggardliness of the ocean; the bigger the vessel the more he will be able to carry. It is entirely up to him.

And, remembering the very wise words of Mahatma Gandhi here, "be the change you want to be" i also am also prompted to recollect a wonderful story as told by Sri Ramakrishnar, where one thief goes to village with all bad intentions and when he tries to run away with gold, and, realises the futility of his running, he got an intelligent solution, he had long hair, he matted and tied them like a Sadhu, and he buried the jewelry and kept a towel upon it and sat below a tree as a sadhu, closing his eyes as though in deep meditation, with full of fear from within. Soon the chasing villagers came near him, obviously could not recognise him, asked him if he saw a thief running, to which he calmly responded saying, he was in deep meditation and could not take note of anything around him.

Slowly, the innocent villagers began to show immense respect towards this imposter and began to give him all food, fruits and jewelry out of sheer love towards a 'Guru' the imposter, now was full of joy as he contemplated that he was now earning much more than ever before and what a bonus, he felt, he was also getting all sorts of exotic food as well.

Many days passed like this, one fine day, the thief wondered, and felt very deeply, how much love the innocent villagers have been showing on to him, even though he was just an imposter, and thought, how much more love he could expect, if he were really a sadhu? discerning thus, the thief, became truly a great Sadhu.

Such is the power of Atmic Will.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Atmic Will
« on: May 02, 2012, 08:11:40 PM »
Today as i tried to get up early in the morning as usual, i began to contemplate on my body consciousness; i realised how difficult it is to really get up, when the demand to sleep is inviting. I was thinking and contemplating thus, and without deliberate thoughts, i began to remember all the scriptural teachings, which have conveyed, how one has to go beyond the body and so on. But, here i am, struggling to get up.

What really struck a chord in me, from Sri J Jayaraman's speech is these 2 small words "Atma Balam" and i remembered these words in the state of drowsiness, early in the morning, in between sleep and waking, in my contemplation.

Now, i realised, first of all, i am able to recognise that i am finding it difficult to get up, i am also able to recognise my thoughts, such as, how difficult it is to get up; i wondered, what Sri Bhagavan has really conveyed. It was like a flash, that the moment i have recognised this, then i am sepetare from that. i remembered how Bhagavan used to get up as early as 2:30 or 3:00 in the morning, and go about doing some chores of kitchen and a few other things. I wondered, whether Bhagavan never felt any such discomfiture at all, while it is true, he never felt any discomfiture, as they say, He is beyond body consciousness. i wondered what this 'being beyond body consciousness' means, then it came forth, very simply, that, being beyond body consciousness is simply being indifferent to both discomfiture and comfort. that is all. there is nothing more to this revelation. It ceased to be any more bigger 'brahma vidya'.

But, in our experience, we are still bound by these dualities, we are still attached to what gives us Sukha, and we resist what gives us Dukha. This was what is happening to me now, i contemplated, early in the morning, in those moments between waking and sleep.

The strongest should be God, the strongest should be Atma itself. Now, is it not from the Atmic source that i am even able to recognise my weakness - 'oh, how i wish i could sleep more, oh i dont want to get up yet' from this Sukha' - IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THIS DISCERNMENT IS ABLE TO HAPPEN ONLY BECAUSE OF ATMA.

what was there at all times. something was there, when i slept, so as to now say that, 'oh how blissful it is to sleep,  how i dont want to get up now' and from the same source, i was able to even discern 'oh, how or when am i going to be able to go beyond this drowsiness of this dilemma, how will be able to go beyond this body consciousness' - it struck me, that the same source has remained witness to these, so as to now be able to discern these, as written here. This is that Atma, though, is now dormant and camoflaged by various doshas, such as doubt, underconfidence, being a loser, of not being able to over come body consciousness, etc... is that light, from which all these discernments even became possible.

Such contemplation was going on from within. Then it struck me these two words "Atma Balam" now, when Bhagavan has said, Atma is Balam, then this Atma must be the strongest, therefore, a voice from within rang a bell, that how this itself can win over these dualities by its own sheer will. It now flashed forth, from within, this Atmic Will.

That which enabled me to recognise my Doshas, such as, my being unable to get up and my demand to sleep further, and how i am bound by these dualities of Sukhas and Dukhas; is itself beyond these Sukhas and Dukhas, otherwise, itself would not give about these unbiased discernment. :) it became very clear! i felt ecstatic! i felt, God has given me a new revelation or weapon or knowledge, how i can over come my doshas, by sheer Atmic Will. Once we recognise this source, i realised that we can use the same source to over come our own Doshas.

Having said this, yes, I am aware, that it is not as easy as it is said here, but, this is the PURUSHAARTA, this is the Atmic Will. Purushaarta is Atmic will. We can, Yes, we can. We just need to keep affirming this again and again, and make our acquiantance with this Atmic Will. like how Jaambavan had to lift the spirit of Hanuman. As we keep practicing this, implementing this Atmic Will, in all dualities, such as this sleep, body consciousness, desires, etc... it will become our second nature, and there is no losing body consciousness at all, Body is inclulsive of the Atma, only, we become indifferent to these prompts, such as, 'oh how nice it would be to sleep, how nice it would be to not get up",  "how nice it would be if i can eat this, how nice if i can have these" etc...

Sri Shankara has said in Vivekachoodamani, that Vasanakshyam Moksham वासनाक्षयं मोक्षं ie the destruction of our predispoositions itself  is liberation. Moreoever, if we look subtly, the direct method as revealed by Bhagavan has got nothing to do with really finding the truth, the direct method has got mainly to do with curbing the emergence of the fundamental root of all predisposition, the primal - i

Atma is truly ones Balam. With Bhakti and grace, what cannot be achieved? i would like to conclude with these fiery and strong words of Swami Vivekananda -

All power is within you; you can do anything and everything. Believe in that, do not believe that you are weak; do not believe that you are half-crazy lunatics, as most of us do nowadays. You can do any thing and everything, without even the guidance of any one. Stand up and express the divinity within you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Shakti Ma
« on: May 02, 2012, 05:09:53 PM »
Dear i,

Here is the same verse in tamizh

உடையாள் உன்தன் நடுவிருக்கும் உடையாள் நடுவுள் நீயிருத்தி
அடியேன் நடுவுள் இருவீரும் இருப்பதானால் அடியேன்உன்
அடியார் நடுவுள் இருக்கும் அருளைப்புரி யாய் பொன்னம்பலத்தெம்
முடியா முதலே என்கருத்து முடியும் வண்ணம் முன்னின்

udaiyAL unRan naduvirukkum udayAL naduvuL nee irutthi
adiyen naduvuL iruveerum iruppathAnAl adiyen un
adiyAr naduvuL irukkum aruLai puriyAi pon amabalathem
mudiya mudhale en karuthu mudiyum vaNNam muninRe.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Self Attention


Dear i,

Please watch the entire speech of Sri J Jayaraman, on the following youtube link -

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: why fear?
« on: April 30, 2012, 06:37:10 PM »
Dear i,

you can download

Some links:

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Jesus and Buddha:The Parallel Sayings
« on: April 30, 2012, 06:09:18 PM »
Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1

Jesus: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." Luke 6:29
Buddha: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." Majjhima Nikaya 21:6

Jesus: "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." Matthew 25:45
Buddha: "If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3

Jesus: "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52
Buddha: "Abandoning the taking of life, the ascetic Gautama dwells refraining from taking life, without stick or sword." Digha Nikaya 1:1.8

Jesus: "Those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will save it." Mark 8:35
Buddha: "With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging." Majjhima Nikaya 72:15

Jesus: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20
Buddha: "Teach the dharma which is lovely at the beginning, lovely in the middle, lovely at the end. Explain with the spirit and the letter in the fashion of Brahma. In this way you will be completely fulfilled and wholly pure." Vinaya Mahavagga 1:11.1

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / how free you really are?
« on: April 30, 2012, 05:58:05 PM »
Want to know how free you really are? Good! You're about to be presented with a unique opportunity to learn all about your individual level of inner liberty.

As you review each of the inner liberties on the list, just note mentally whether or not that particular freedom belongs to you. Our intention is simply to learn what's true about ourselves, not to prove anything about ourselves. Allow these forty freedoms to awaken and stir that secret part of you that knows living in any kind of bondage is a lie. Then follow your own natural sensing all the way to the free life.

You're Well Along Freedom's Path When:
  • You have no desire to change places in life with anyone else.
  • You step over setbacks without stopping or looking back.
  • You accept and appreciate praise, but never take it to heart.
  • You don't overeat or feel driven to diet.
  • You don't think about your sex life.
  • You meet and do what's true without fear of the consequences.
  • You really don't want anything from anyone.
  • You stop thinking about how much money you may or may not have.
  • You don't carry any upset from the last moment into the present one.
  • You have no interest in old resentments.
  • You start spending more time alone and enjoying it more.
  • You stop dreaming of the perfect vacation.
  • You're neither frightened nor shocked by the evening news.
  • You stop making deals with yourself.
  • You dress for comfort, not for compliments.
  • You lose all interest in trying to win mental arguments.
  • You don't blame anyone else for the way you feel.
  • You forget what it was you didn't like about someone.
  • You're awake to and spontaneously considerate of the needs of others.
  • You see beauty in life where you never could see it before.
  • Your life gets progressively simpler.
  • You see where you're wrong sooner than later, and stop defending yourself faster.
  • You do what you need to do (but don't want to do) and you do it with a lighter spirit.
  • You're not afraid of having nothing to say or do, if that's your true condition.
  • You can take criticism without cringing away from the truth it may hold.
  • You have no concern for what others may think of you.
  • You stop trying to make others see life in your way.
  • You enjoy the sound of silence as much or more than the sound of your own voice.
  • You see the same unpleasant traits within yourself that have made you shun others.
  • You say what you want, and not what you think others may want to hear you say.
  • You actually enjoy hearing about the good fortune of someone else.
  • You see more and more just how unfree you and others really are.
  • You're moods are fewer, lighter, and move on much quicker.
  • You see that society is destroying itself and that the only solution is self change.
  • You can listen to others without the need to tell them what you know.
  • You don't find a thrill in any kind of fear.
  • You know that forgiveness of others is the kindest thing you can do for yourself.
  • You realize that the world is the way it is because you are the way you are.
  • You'd rather not think about yourself.
  • You can't come up with one good reason why you should ever be anxious or frightened.
There's one more important point to bring to our attention: never be discouraged over your present location!

Discouragement is a negative emotion with more than one trick up its dark sleeve. It tricks you into mentally or emotionally dwelling in the very place you want to leave. Drop all such sorrow permanently by daring to see through this deception of the unconscious mind.

Who you really are, your True Nature, is no more tied to the kind of person you've been than the wind is tied to the skies through which it moves. Your past is just that, the past, a place within your psyche with no more reality to it that the picture of a castle on a postcard is made from stone. You have a destination far beyond where you find yourself standing today. It may not seem so at first, but your new findings are a great start. Now keep going.

Use this list and your new discoveries to help you ignite your wish to be free. Then step back and welcome the spiritual firestorm. Watch as it burns away the ties that bind. This is what it means to let the Light fight for you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

i feel, it ends up right here -

In one instance a devotee during his conversations with Bhagavan on the subject of Self Enquiry asked thus -

D: Even so, I do not understand. “I”, you say, is the wrong “I” now. How to eliminate this wrong “I”?

M: You need not eliminate the wrong “I” How can “I” eliminate itself? All that you need to do is to find out its origin and abide there. Your efforts can extend only thus far. Then the Beyond will take care of itself. You are helpless there. No effort can reach it.

அருளும் வெனுமெ; aன்பு பூணுமெ; இன்பு தொணுமெ
Arulum Venume, Anbu punume, inbam thonume (atma Vidya

Grace is needed; Love is added. Bliss wells up.

Sri Krishna says in his Song, (7, 3)

मनुष्याणां सहस्रेषु कश्चिद्यतति सिद्धये ।
यततामपि सिद्धानां कश्चिन्मां वेत्ति तत्त्वतः ॥

manusyanam sahasresu kascid yatati siddhaye
yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah

Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection,
and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

Don't we desire to be one among those  यततामपि सिद्धानां कश्चिन्मां वेत्ति तत्त्वतः (yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah) and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

i only remember Britrahari here, as quoted by Brahmasri in his talks, i reproduce the same here again, as it is relevant to the context we are in -

For realising God, the first requisite is a burning desire to do so. This is what every Mahan comes into the world to teach. It is not necessary that we know who or what God is. When the time is right, He will reveal Himself to us by sending a Sadguru into our lives who will give us the requisite Upadesha and confer liberation. But the pre requisite to all this is the ceaseless Taapam - loosely translated, a burning desire, which makes us extremely uncomfortable in our present state of being. What is required is the thought process which reprimands us for enjoying so many sensory pleasures while age and time slip through our hands; taking congnisance of that fact that we lack seriousness in what is perhaps the most serious thing in our lives and spend our lives instead on other worthless pursuits.
To illustrate this point, a story that Buddha said may be used - A man who is walking on a mountain, loses his balance and falls. He finds a rope to hang on to from which he hopes to come to safety. Above him stands a tiger that was in hot pursuit. Below lies a dangerous depth, into which if he were to fall, not even a shred of his body may be recovered. And is his rope strong enough? No .... There is a rat gnawing away at the rope!! This is the predicament of the man. And in the midst of this, there is a drop of honey that drips from a honeycomb. Impervious to the danger that he is in, this man tries to reach for that honey!! This is exactly human existence. Fraught with dangers on all sides. The rat called Time is gnawing away at our lives, and we seek momentary pleasure in watching television and mindless gossip wasting an already too short lifespan!!
Bhartruhari says in a sarcastic manner, that we in the world are so busy, engrossed in the meaningless day to day pursuits that we do not have the time to look inwards or strive for emancipation! How ironic!

आदित्यस्य गतागतैरहरहः संक्षीयते जीवितं
व्यापारैर्बहुकार्यभारगुरुभिः कालोऽपि न ज्ञायते ।
दृष्ट्वा जन्मजराविपत्तिमरणं त्रासश्च नोत्पद्यते
पीत्वा मोहमयीं प्रमादमदिरामुन्मत्तभूतं जगत् ॥४३॥

aadityasya gataagatairaharahaH sa.nxiiyate jiivita
vyaapaarairbahukaaryabhaaragurubhiH kaalo.api na GYaayat
dR^ishhTvaa janmajaraavipattimaraNa.n traasashcha notpadyate
piitvaa mohamayiiM pramaadamadiraamunmattabhuuta.n jagat
The sun rises and sets, each day goes past and the only assurance we have is that the day that is gone shall never come back again, time slips through our fingers and what do we do? He says that life is going out consistently like water which is going out of a leaky mud pot, but we are busy immersed in the day to day affairs of life (व्यापारैर्बहुकार्यभारगुरुभिः). (very seriously engaged in various duties) We claim that we are so busy that we do not have the time to think of God!!! Some people say, "I wish I could come to your Satsangam, but I am so busy, so many duties, I am not able to. Please forgive me". The tone that they use seems to imply that they consider coming to the Satsangam a favour that they bestow on others (the person who is giving the pravachanam)
This is how people pass through life, blithely unaware of Time slipping through their fingers, never to come back again. Is it that they never get an opportunity to contemplate on all this or does God does not remind us about these? No .... God reminds them in various ways - four ways to be exact(दृष्ट्वा जन्मजराविपत्तिमरणं) We see children being born, a man in the prime of his youth move on to Old age, calamities, disaster and accidents, and then finally, the clincher of all - Death. He says he is amazed at how people remain unafraid in the midst of all this. And why is it that man is not afraid? He is inebriated with the toddy of ignorance. That intoxication has spoilt his mental balance and so he manages to remain unafraid (त्रासश्च नोत्पद्यते) The world is caught in a fit of madness, he says. Man is drunk on ignorance and his thinking faculties are dulled by it (पीत्वा मोहमदिरां) This world is gotten mad (उन्मत्तभूतं जगत्) If men were drunk on Bhakthi it would be fine. That is an ecstasy which uplifts, but unfortunately man is drunk on ignorance and his thinking faculties are dulled by it. Which is why he refuses to think, is unable to think in fact, about time which is going past too fast.
But what the sages say is that a man should strive to Realise God with the same urge with which a man would run towards water, had his head caught fire (प्रदीप्त शिरहा जलराशिमिव). It is with the same sense of urgency that one should pursue God – Realisation (समिप्पाणिः श्रोत्रियम् ब्रह्मनिष्ठमुपगच्छेत्). And this samsara, has been as disconcerting as fire on one's head for Bhakthas and Rishis.

Salutations to Bhagavan

no doubts on these aspects, did not Bhagavan talk to monkeys, squirrels, cow, dogs?

Did they understand Him? Did He know what they think and speak?

One night Bhagavan came in my dream. He was in lotus pose and looked me directly in the eyes. I spoke to Him but He didn't tell me a word. I just bowed down and holded His right hand, not His feet as is properly. And when I woke up I wandered why He didn't tell me anything. Of course it was a dream but the question remained.

Dear i,

Firstly, you are truly blessed. Such dreams are not really 'dreams' :) thank you for sharing your joy, it brings joy to one who also reads your experience.

What is there to communicate to heart Dear i? if he were to say something, it would be for your mind, he has directly hit your heart, through his glance. Bhagavan says - What one fails to know by conversation extending to several years can be known in a trice in Silence, or in front of Silence.

It is the nature of mind to seek meaning out of everything. But how to seek meaning of that which is beyond even the realms of mind and understanding. Allow yourself to soak in the warmth of Bhagavan, do not seek understanding, what is there to understand, when Bhagavan Himself, has come forward to grace you. Leave it to him. Just leave it to him. Surrender. He knows what to do. :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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