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General topics / Re: Vasanas after knowing the truth
« on: May 04, 2012, 11:54:41 AM »
A question was raised as follows by Maj. A. W. Chadwick:-

Mr. Edward Carpenter, a certain mystic, has written in a book that he had Self-Realisation on some occasions and that its effects lasted
sometimes afterwards, only to be gradually lost. Whereas Sri Ramana Gita says, “Granthi (knot = bondage), snapped once, is snapped for
ever.” In the case of this mystic, the bondage seems to have persisted even after Self-Realisation. How can it be so?

The Master cited Kaivalya as follows:-

The disciple, after realising the all-shining, unitary, unbroken state of Being-Knowledge-Bliss, surrendered himself to the master and
humbly prayed to know how he could repay the master’s Grace. The Master said:

“My reward consists in your permanent unbroken Bliss. Do not slip away from it.”

D.: Having once experienced the Supreme Bliss, how can one stray away from it?
M.: Oh yes! It happens. The predisposition adhering to him from time immemorial will draw him out and so ignorance overtakes him.

D.: What are the obstacles to remaining steady in unbroken Bliss?  How can they be overcome?
M.: The obstacles are:

(1) Ignorance which is forgetfulness of one’s pure being.
(2) Doubt which consists in wondering if even the experience was
of the Real or of the unreal.
(3) Error which consists in the “I-am-the-body” idea, and thinking that the world is real. These are overcome by hearing the truth,
reflection on it and concentration.

The Master continued: Experience is said to be temporary or permanent. The first experience is temporary and by concentration it can become permanent. In the former the bondage is not completely destroyed; it remains subtle and reasserts itself in due course. But in the latter it is destroyed root and branch, never to appear again. The expression yogabhrashta (those who have fallen down from yoga) in Srimad Bhagavad Gita refers to the former class of men.

D.: Is then hearing the Truth meant only for a limited few?
M.: It is of two kinds. The ordinary one is to hear it enunciated and explained by a master. However, the right one is to raise the question for oneself and seek and find the answer in oneself as the unbroken ‘I-I’. To be reflecting on this experience is the second stage. To remain one-pointed in it is the third stage.

D.: Can the temporary experience be called samadhi?
M.: No. It forms part of the third stage.

D.: It looks then as if even hearing the Truth is limited to a very few.
M.: The seekers fall into two classes; kritopasaka and akritopasaka. The former having already overcome his predisposition by steady devotion, his mind thus made pure, has had some kind of experience but does not comprehend it; as soon as he is instructed by a competent master, permanent experience results. The other class of seeker needs great effort to achieve this end. How will the hearing of the Truth, reflection and concentration help him? They comprise upasana (the nearest approach to Truth) and will end in his Self-Realization. The fourth stage is the final one of liberation. Even there some distinction is made according to the degree, as

(1) the knower of the Brahman (Brahmavid)
(2) Brahmavid-vara
(3) Brahmavid-varya
(4) Brahmavid-varishta

But all of them are in fact liberated even while alive.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

yes, this is a good movie as well!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 04, 2012, 10:30:07 AM »
And thanks also to Sri Graham in ensuring this place is kept sacred with all the right people only - very important job.

yes, truly so! i felt, it would be good, Sri Graham, if you could also contribute occasionally, if not regularly :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Humour / A Non-Dual Blockage
« on: May 04, 2012, 10:25:42 AM »

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:51:44 AM »
I truly wish it be so :) - as in the world I see around it is very rare I see children even knowing these names :)

Dear i,

yes, lets pray and hope for the best. We can make a difference here Dear i, :) in my last visit to RK Math, i got those comic books, stort stories, etc. and distributed to my young cousings and nephews. And, i always suggest to my family, whenever they attend any Upanayanam function, instead of giving money, give some comic books, such as Amar Chitra Katha books, etc.. that is the true spirit, what is the use of money for a Brahmachari?

i do not intend to put myself on glare what i am doing, but, unfortunately, if i don't share, what brings me happiness, i can never spread the word, because of this, somebody else might get inspired, and some child somewhere can also get benefited, hence, i strongly have begin to feel, that we ought to share with each other our good stories :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:45:02 AM »
I truly appreciate the earnestness of seekers here;it is indeed wonderful that despite the complexities of modern day Living,you are applying yourself diligently to spiritual Living and exploring ways to be true to this calling.You are indeed blessed.

Dear i,

it is truly encouraging to hear such words from you. The presence of Subramanian Sir, Sri Anil, Ramanaduliji, yourself, and others, does make this forum a really good and truly raise the standard of spirit of Sadhana, and, also at times, play the role of conscious-keepers as well! Thanks to you all :) Gratitude from one and all to one and all

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / The Buddha, A Film by David Grubin
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:34:25 AM »
This documentary for PBS by award-winning filmmaker David Grubin and narrated by Richard Gere, tells the story of the Buddha’s life, a journey especially relevant to our own bewildering times of violent change and spiritual confusion. It features the work of some of the world’s greatest artists and sculptors, who across two millennia, have depicted the Buddha’s life in art rich in beauty and complexity. Hear insights into the ancient narrative by contemporary Buddhists, including Pulitzer Prize winning poet W.S. Merwin and His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Join the conversation and learn more about meditation, the history of Buddhism, and how to incorporate the Buddha’s teachings on compassion and mindfulness into daily life.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:29:16 AM »
Dear i,

:) yes, Swami Vivekananda and Swami Chinmyananda are generally every child's companion (a must)

Salutations to Bhagavan

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Contemplating on BhagavatSwarupam
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:26:03 AM »
Dear i,

you have already begun seeing everybody, everything as Brahmaswaropam, Atmaswaroopam, Bhagawathswaroopam. Just we lack the belief, or conviction, that we truly do! You are already doing, what perhaps a sincere sadhaka would do in the said circumstances,

Do watch this excellent documentary on Buddha at leisure -

it is an excellent peak into the life of Buddha, which is quite relevant to your question, which is everybody's question.

really an interesting contemplative question to read the first in the day! :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: doubt in தமிழ் Tamizh
« on: May 03, 2012, 08:59:28 PM »
Dear i,

thank you, in both your posts, while i do not significantly understand the grammar behind these, but the key rule mentioned by you, as to what does not come as the first letter, what comes as the middle or end, is really an easy take away :) the la, La i am familiar as we have the same la La in kannada, sanskrit as well and zha is exclusively tamizh's very own. the na .na Na is the trickiest. :)

it is interesting to note that French has this letter zha.

Thanks once again.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 08:53:24 PM »
Dear i,

your views are convincing, yes, as a matter of fact, yes, we can cook, infact, i do cook some days occasionally, and yes, at some point, we have to decide whether it is our spirituality that counts or our rapport at office. i absolutely agree, here is the real test of atma balam. certain obvious things have to be avoided at any cost, no amount of reasons hold a good excuse for these.

where there is a will, there is a way. we just have to will for it, and God blesses us with ways.

Thanks to you both, your views are much valuable.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: doubt in தமிழ் Tamizh
« on: May 03, 2012, 06:03:48 PM »
Dear i,

thank you so much, this is absolutely very helpful. For much time, i was unable to discern the exact usages of these letters.


Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / doubt in தமிழ் Tamizh
« on: May 03, 2012, 01:46:43 PM »
Dear i,

can anybody, please help me in understanding the usage of the following letters:

Thank you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

yes, what you have said is really very pertinent! One has to keep doing it, even if it may be just mechanical. infact, in south india, if we see, some older people even utter Muruga, Narayana, shiva shiva, when they yawn as well :D even when they sigh!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Atmic Will
« on: May 03, 2012, 12:29:33 PM »
Dear i,

wonderful to hear your recollections of Swami Chinmayananada. i have once visited the Chinmaya Heritage centre at the Harrington road, and i thoroughly enjoyed those moments. Swami Chinmayananda books are excellent for anybody, they are absolutely straightforward. Yes, humor was an integral part of being in his satsang, i however, have only seen him, only in internet and youtube videos.

The book i love the most is his Ashtavakra Gita.

thank you for taking us near to Him, i feel like, i have just had His darshan :)

salutations to Bhagavan

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